How do you cope?
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code-frog wrote:
I understand what you are saying but just because you are saying it does not make you right.
Maybe you can explain it to me, because most everything I know has been told to me. How do I know that George Washington ever existed? I don't feel compelled to dig up his grave and perform DNA analysis to prove it.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
No I'm not. And never did I say that. You need to double-check your own logic.
Sure you are. You're assigning mutual exclusivity between the two (e.g. in the wild you're either smart and survive or educated and die).
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Yes, but they are two independent things.
That are usually associated with one another.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Then you're retarded. Me not beleiving in Jesus being the son of God does not mean I do not beleive anything someone tells me. Really, get off your damn high horse.
No, but you stating that you don't believe something just because somebody tells you so does.
espeir wrote:
You're assigning mutual exclusivity between the two
No I'm not. Stop putting words into my mouth. Never did I say you can't have one without the other.
espeir wrote:
e.g. in the wild you're either smart and survive or educated and die
That was an example. Never did I say you can't have one without the other. If you're so smart, start acting like it.
espeir wrote:
That are usually associated with one another.
So is brick and mortar. But they are still two different things.
espeir wrote:
No, but you stating that you don't believe something just because somebody tells you so does.
Has nothing to do with the point you just made. In fact, let me show you just how hypocritical and asinine you are. I have three feet. Do you believe it? Jeremy Falcon
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My grandfather died just a few years back, 84 years old. Up 'till the last year of his life, he would still ride his dirt bike out into the fields each day, with the dogs running along side. Seeing him weaken and succumb to cancer so quickly was hard... at the same time, i know he never gave up on Life. I treasure the memories of the time i got to spend with him, and hope to be reunited again some day.
AAntix wrote:
How do you live on in peace knowing the inevitable?
Because i don't know the inevitable. Oh, sure - this body is gonna wear out and fail, as sure as the sun is gonna rise. But when, where, or how that'll happen is far from a given. Much less so what happens after that. There's a corrolary to what Steve wrote, btw: don't put your faith in things you know will fail. Enjoy what you have today, do your best to make the most of it. But if you want hope for tomorrow, you'll need to look beyond this world where all things eventually crumble and pass away.
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Shog9 wrote:
and hope to be reunited again some day.
Shog - I've read your articles and posts over the past few years and have a good respect for your thoughts. I am not wanting to start a flame war, as I am very agnostic on the idea, but what makes you cling to the idea of an afterlife? Is it just out of comfort, or is there some sort of scientific basis? When I am depressed in times like these, I find myself wanting, hoping, for some sort of reunification in the end, but the whole idea just doesn't quite analign with my analytical thinking. And that saddens me even more. Jim RunFatBoy.net[^] - Exercise for the rest of us.
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Heh. I wasn't trying to imply that we shouldn't. I was saying that it's not like we lose points if we don't. ;)
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How's it feel to be the man?
Very well, thank you! ;)
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led mike wrote:
You are belittling him because you think you are better than him.
That's your cup of tea.
Well, he's right, and you're wrong. It's a good cup of tea. :)
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Dude.. you're not supposed to eat ham, are you? :~
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At nighttime.
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David Stone wrote:
When a Christian tells someone else of their own beliefs, it's usually out of a desire to help the other person.
I don't think so - I usually see it as an attempt to convert someone :-)
David Stone wrote:
Christianity isn't some pyramid scheme where you get more points in heaven for every person you sign up...
Most Christians I've known in my life (with some really nice exceptions of course) seemed to behave like there was this pyramid-model. Every chance they got to talk about Jesus they would, even if they could clearly see that the listener wasn't in the least interested. Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I usually see it as an attempt to convert someone
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Every chance they got to talk about Jesus they would, even if they could clearly see that the listener wasn't in the least interested.
Some people just get excited about things. I can get excited talking about basketball to people. I can certainly understand someone being excited about the concept of being "saved" etc. People seriously need to chill about this a bit.
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espeir wrote:
Whether you deal with it immediately or later is irrelevant.
That was never a means to deal with his grandfather's death, but a way to deal with the concept of death. Maybe you need to understand context a bit better and reread the line I quoted. Irregardless, you're wrong. I didn't say he should deal with his grandfather's death by bottling it up inside. If you cannot accept this then you are just a stubborn person.
espeir wrote:
Therefore, whenever I communicate, there's a very good chance I'm right.
No, there's a good chance you think you're right. But, since you're so vastly superior in intelligence, how could I ever assume you're anything but, oh lord espeir? Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
That was never a means to deal with his grandfather's death, but a way to deal with the concept of death. Maybe you need to understand context a bit better and reread the line I quoted. Irregardless, you're wrong. I didn't say he should deal with his grandfather's death by bottling it up inside. If you cannot accept this then you are just a stubborn person.
Irregardless? That means with regard to.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
No, there's a good chance you think you're right. But, since you're so vastly superior in intelligence, how could I ever assume you're anything but, oh lord espeir?
I'm almost always demonstrably right. Of course you would never recognize that since you only accept what you learnt on da streets.
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Well, he's right, and you're wrong. It's a good cup of tea. :)
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
It's a good cup of tea.
:laugh: Jeremy Falcon
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espeir wrote:
I'm belittling you for stating that you don't believe anything that is simply told to you.
The world is flat. Go forth and believe. You are belittling him because you think you are better than him. It's been going on for thousands of years and it is NEVER EVER GOING TO STOP. EVER EVER
led mike wrote:
You are belittling him because you think you are better than him.
He has a problem admiting he's wrong. What's ironic about that is, people that can't be wrong (in their heads) can seldom be right. Being all-knowing is about knowing you don't know everything. Jeremy Falcon
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David Stone wrote:
How's it feel to be the man?
Very well, thank you! ;)
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Heh. Can you name the song or the band?
Once you wanted revolution
Now you're the institution
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
That was never a means to deal with his grandfather's death, but a way to deal with the concept of death. Maybe you need to understand context a bit better and reread the line I quoted. Irregardless, you're wrong. I didn't say he should deal with his grandfather's death by bottling it up inside. If you cannot accept this then you are just a stubborn person.
Irregardless? That means with regard to.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
No, there's a good chance you think you're right. But, since you're so vastly superior in intelligence, how could I ever assume you're anything but, oh lord espeir?
I'm almost always demonstrably right. Of course you would never recognize that since you only accept what you learnt on da streets.
espeir wrote:
Of course you would never recognize that since you only accept what you learnt on da streets.
This is the level of rebuttal you now seek? Why can't you just say "oops"? Jeremy Falcon
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code-frog wrote:
"Shiloam" (SP?)
Shalom. I would have to say, we shouldn't devolve this thread into a religion vs. secular flamefest, simply because someone said something another didn't like.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I prefer truth over believing what I've been told because I told so by my parents who had even a lesser understanding of life than future generations will.
True or False: Nero was emperor of Rome.
espeir wrote:
True or False: Nero was emperor of Rome.
It's a CD Burning package. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Shog9 wrote:
and hope to be reunited again some day.
Shog - I've read your articles and posts over the past few years and have a good respect for your thoughts. I am not wanting to start a flame war, as I am very agnostic on the idea, but what makes you cling to the idea of an afterlife? Is it just out of comfort, or is there some sort of scientific basis? When I am depressed in times like these, I find myself wanting, hoping, for some sort of reunification in the end, but the whole idea just doesn't quite analign with my analytical thinking. And that saddens me even more. Jim RunFatBoy.net[^] - Exercise for the rest of us.
AAntix wrote:
but what makes you cling to the idea of an afterlife? Is it just out of comfort, or is there some sort of scientific basis?
I think most people do that as a comfort thing. The idea that life's not totally over when you die makes people feel safer and more secure I guess. Regards, Nish
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Heh. Can you name the song or the band?
Once you wanted revolution
Now you're the institution
How's it feel to be the man?Nope. :sigh: Luckily, Google could: The Ascent of Stan. :-D
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led mike wrote:
You are belittling him because you think you are better than him.
He has a problem admiting he's wrong. What's ironic about that is, people that can't be wrong (in their heads) can seldom be right. Being all-knowing is about knowing you don't know everything. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Being all-knowing is about knowing you don't know everything.
Once again you're wrong. It's about knowing that you know nothing.
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Hmm.. I didn't see that as kindness and support. What I saw was someone trying to push his beliefs onto someone who's saddened. Maybe it was his intent, but it didn't show. I think it just enforced my view of the human race: we're all just a bunch of egomaniacs, trying to convert everybody to our own belief system. (If that wasn't the case, we wouldn't be arguing so much, would we? :))
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I don't think we are egomaniacs as much as people with passion. Passion is good for things like art, music, science, etc... Passion is horrible when it is carried out with a war-like nature. I'm learning that I can speak of my mind, beliefs and passions openly so long as I'm just as open to others speaking their minds, opinions and passions to me. I have to give others the same amount of freedom I take with my own actions. If I say I believe and someone says they don't believe it's going to get ugly immediately if people become angry in their responses. People should peacefully debate things and they need to choose the correct context for those debates. I didn't have a problem at all with what Steve said except the part that Nish pointed out. Whether I beleive that part or not matters very little because that statement alone says that what others believe isn't good enough. I'm happy to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of religions, programming conventions and all manner of things but I don't believe in excluding others in an improper context.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Being all-knowing is about knowing you don't know everything.
Once again you're wrong. It's about knowing that you know nothing.
espeir wrote:
It's about knowing that you know nothing.
Then you really are all-knowing. ;P Jeremy Falcon