How do you cope?
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leckey wrote:
irstly, the gospels were written long after Jesus lived--we're talking a couple hundred years. It's hard to take it as a historical non-fiction piece when looked at it in that light.
The gospels were written shortly after Jesus' death (within a couple of decades). They were compiled a couple hundred years later into what is now the accepted New Testament. This was done in order to exclude false works (like the Gospel of Judas) that were written by the gnostics during early Christianity. This isn't a matter of faith but of documented and accepted history (by both secular and religious historians).
There is no hard evidence for what you assert, except for the church's word. I've yet to see anything but "take my word for it!"-evidence.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
This proves you are being stupid. Do not confuse (I'm sure it's difficult for you) not being the most educated in history with not being educated. In case you haven't noticed, there are plenty of fields of study. Also, do not confuse education with intelligence. I hope that's not too much to ask of you.
Well...Not having heard of Nero is pretty uneducated, but that's besides the point. The point is that every educated person derives his knowledge from what others have told him. That is pretty much the definition of education. To dismiss something merely because you did not learn it from direct personal experience is ignorance.
espeir wrote:
The point is that every educated person derives his knowledge from what others have told him.
So where do uneducated persons derive their knowledge? From unothers? Perhaps "others that have untold him"?
espeir wrote:
The point is
Still waiting for that. :confused:
espeir wrote:
That is pretty much the definition of education.
and that. :zzz:
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espeir wrote:
And you're assuming that educated people are unintelligent
No I'm not. And never did I say that. You need to double-check your own logic.
espeir wrote:
when in fact there's a high correlation between IQ and the level of one's education.
Yes, but they are two independent things.
espeir wrote:
I'm belittling you for stating that you don't believe anything that is simply told to you. If that's the case, then you reject most of the world, its history and science and will never learn a thing.
Then you're retarded. Me not beleiving in Jesus being the son of God does not mean I do not beleive anything someone tells me. Really, get off your damn high horse. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
No I'm not. And never did I say that. You need to double-check your own logic.
Sure you are. You're assigning mutual exclusivity between the two (e.g. in the wild you're either smart and survive or educated and die).
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Yes, but they are two independent things.
That are usually associated with one another.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Then you're retarded. Me not beleiving in Jesus being the son of God does not mean I do not beleive anything someone tells me. Really, get off your damn high horse.
No, but you stating that you don't believe something just because somebody tells you so does.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I thought it particularly selfish that he was trying to take advantage of someone's misery to preach his religious beliefs.
I don't think it was selfish of him at all. When a Christian tells someone else of their own beliefs, it's usually out of a desire to help the other person. Christianity isn't some pyramid scheme where you get more points in heaven for every person you sign up... :rolleyes:
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How's it feel to be the man?David Stone wrote:
Christianity isn't some pyramid scheme where you get more points in heaven for every person you sign up...
Hmm.. are you sure? I'm positive I've read that all Christians should spread the word. If you don't, then you go against the bible, and that ought to be sin, right? And sin is bad karma. That much I do know. :)
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
That depends on the context of the platform. A smart man that is stranded in the middle of nowhere with no education has a better chance of survival than an educated idiot.
Education isn't suitable for survival. Animal-like behavior is. And you're assuming that educated people are unintelligent, when in fact there's a high correlation between IQ and the level of one's education.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Also, that wasn't my point. I never said education wasn't important. But they are different aspect that you've been overlaying in attempts to belittle me because I didn't know too much about Nero.
I'm belittling you for stating that you don't believe anything that is simply told to you. If that's the case, then you reject most of the world, its history and science and will never learn a thing.
espeir wrote:
I'm belittling you for stating that you don't believe anything that is simply told to you.
The world is flat. Go forth and believe. You are belittling him because you think you are better than him. It's been going on for thousands of years and it is NEVER EVER GOING TO STOP. EVER EVER
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Hmmmmmm, sandwich!!!
Ham, cheese or BLT sir? :) We made the buttons on the screen look so good you'll want to lick them. Steve Jobs
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espeir wrote:
The point is that every educated person derives his knowledge from what others have told him.
So where do uneducated persons derive their knowledge? From unothers? Perhaps "others that have untold him"?
espeir wrote:
The point is
Still waiting for that. :confused:
espeir wrote:
That is pretty much the definition of education.
and that. :zzz:
led mike wrote:
So where do uneducated persons derive their knowledge? From unothers? Perhaps "others that have untold him"?
They just have very little of it. They know what their mama told 'em.
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espeir wrote:
I'm belittling you for stating that you don't believe anything that is simply told to you.
The world is flat. Go forth and believe. You are belittling him because you think you are better than him. It's been going on for thousands of years and it is NEVER EVER GOING TO STOP. EVER EVER
led mike wrote:
You are belittling him because you think you are better than him.
That's your cup of tea.
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Steve Holle wrote:
There is no hope otherwise.
I'm normally one to keep quiet when it comes to all things religous. I respect people's choices to believe whatever they want. But I think you took it too far by saying that there is no hope for this poor grieving guy unless he adopts your beliefs. Come on, I'm sure the guy is confused enough with life at this point. Don't try to shove your religion down his throat at a tender moment like that! Josh
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David Stone wrote:
Christianity isn't some pyramid scheme where you get more points in heaven for every person you sign up...
Hmm.. are you sure? I'm positive I've read that all Christians should spread the word. If you don't, then you go against the bible, and that ought to be sin, right? And sin is bad karma. That much I do know. :)
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Heh. I wasn't trying to imply that we shouldn't. I was saying that it's not like we lose points if we don't. ;)
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How do you live on in peace knowing the inevitable?
It's called selective amnesia. Death is inevitable, so why get all hung up about it? We're all going to die one day, we just don't know when. My personal method of "dealing" with the fact that life is a terminal disease has three parts: 1. Whenever possible, make a difference in other peoples lives who have made a difference in mine. 2. Laugh. Often. And loud. 3. Don't be afraid to love. Mike Poz
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code-frog wrote:
I understand what you are saying but just because you are saying it does not make you right.
Maybe you can explain it to me, because most everything I know has been told to me. How do I know that George Washington ever existed? I don't feel compelled to dig up his grave and perform DNA analysis to prove it.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
No I'm not. And never did I say that. You need to double-check your own logic.
Sure you are. You're assigning mutual exclusivity between the two (e.g. in the wild you're either smart and survive or educated and die).
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Yes, but they are two independent things.
That are usually associated with one another.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Then you're retarded. Me not beleiving in Jesus being the son of God does not mean I do not beleive anything someone tells me. Really, get off your damn high horse.
No, but you stating that you don't believe something just because somebody tells you so does.
espeir wrote:
You're assigning mutual exclusivity between the two
No I'm not. Stop putting words into my mouth. Never did I say you can't have one without the other.
espeir wrote:
e.g. in the wild you're either smart and survive or educated and die
That was an example. Never did I say you can't have one without the other. If you're so smart, start acting like it.
espeir wrote:
That are usually associated with one another.
So is brick and mortar. But they are still two different things.
espeir wrote:
No, but you stating that you don't believe something just because somebody tells you so does.
Has nothing to do with the point you just made. In fact, let me show you just how hypocritical and asinine you are. I have three feet. Do you believe it? Jeremy Falcon
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Heh. I wasn't trying to imply that we shouldn't. I was saying that it's not like we lose points if we don't. ;)
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How's it feel to be the man?David Stone wrote:
How's it feel to be the man?
Very well, thank you! ;)
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My grandfather died just a few years back, 84 years old. Up 'till the last year of his life, he would still ride his dirt bike out into the fields each day, with the dogs running along side. Seeing him weaken and succumb to cancer so quickly was hard... at the same time, i know he never gave up on Life. I treasure the memories of the time i got to spend with him, and hope to be reunited again some day.
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How do you live on in peace knowing the inevitable?
Because i don't know the inevitable. Oh, sure - this body is gonna wear out and fail, as sure as the sun is gonna rise. But when, where, or how that'll happen is far from a given. Much less so what happens after that. There's a corrolary to what Steve wrote, btw: don't put your faith in things you know will fail. Enjoy what you have today, do your best to make the most of it. But if you want hope for tomorrow, you'll need to look beyond this world where all things eventually crumble and pass away.
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and hope to be reunited again some day.
Shog - I've read your articles and posts over the past few years and have a good respect for your thoughts. I am not wanting to start a flame war, as I am very agnostic on the idea, but what makes you cling to the idea of an afterlife? Is it just out of comfort, or is there some sort of scientific basis? When I am depressed in times like these, I find myself wanting, hoping, for some sort of reunification in the end, but the whole idea just doesn't quite analign with my analytical thinking. And that saddens me even more. Jim RunFatBoy.net[^] - Exercise for the rest of us.
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led mike wrote:
You are belittling him because you think you are better than him.
That's your cup of tea.
Well, he's right, and you're wrong. It's a good cup of tea. :)
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Dude.. you're not supposed to eat ham, are you? :~
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David Stone wrote:
When a Christian tells someone else of their own beliefs, it's usually out of a desire to help the other person.
I don't think so - I usually see it as an attempt to convert someone :-)
David Stone wrote:
Christianity isn't some pyramid scheme where you get more points in heaven for every person you sign up...
Most Christians I've known in my life (with some really nice exceptions of course) seemed to behave like there was this pyramid-model. Every chance they got to talk about Jesus they would, even if they could clearly see that the listener wasn't in the least interested. Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I usually see it as an attempt to convert someone
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Every chance they got to talk about Jesus they would, even if they could clearly see that the listener wasn't in the least interested.
Some people just get excited about things. I can get excited talking about basketball to people. I can certainly understand someone being excited about the concept of being "saved" etc. People seriously need to chill about this a bit.