How do you cope?
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leckey wrote:
irstly, the gospels were written long after Jesus lived--we're talking a couple hundred years. It's hard to take it as a historical non-fiction piece when looked at it in that light.
The gospels were written shortly after Jesus' death (within a couple of decades). They were compiled a couple hundred years later into what is now the accepted New Testament. This was done in order to exclude false works (like the Gospel of Judas) that were written by the gnostics during early Christianity. This isn't a matter of faith but of documented and accepted history (by both secular and religious historians).
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espeir wrote:
An intelligent person has no platform on which to stand.
That depends on the context of the platform. A smart man that is stranded in the middle of nowhere with no education has a better chance of survival than an educated idiot. Also, that wasn't my point. I never said education wasn't important. But they are different aspects that you've been overlaying in attempts to belittle me because I didn't know too much about Nero. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
That depends on the context of the platform. A smart man that is stranded in the middle of nowhere with no education has a better chance of survival than an educated idiot.
Education isn't suitable for survival. Animal-like behavior is. And you're assuming that educated people are unintelligent, when in fact there's a high correlation between IQ and the level of one's education.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Also, that wasn't my point. I never said education wasn't important. But they are different aspect that you've been overlaying in attempts to belittle me because I didn't know too much about Nero.
I'm belittling you for stating that you don't believe anything that is simply told to you. If that's the case, then you reject most of the world, its history and science and will never learn a thing.
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I know I'm going to get flamed for this but it's important. You need to find out what it means to accept Jesus as your Saviour and Lord. There is no hope otherwise. Find a Christian friend and ask him what this means and where to start. Let me know if I can help.
So.. you're taking advantage of someone's misfortunate state of being? Shame on you.
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espeir wrote:
which you revere but apparently lack
This proves you are being stupid. Do not confuse (I'm sure it's difficult for you) not being the most educated in history with not being educated. In case you haven't noticed, there are plenty of fields of study. Also, do not confuse education with intelligence. I hope that's not too much to ask of you.
espeir wrote:
ou probably have not undertaken a life-long quest to prove that he existed.
This is bullshit. It's much easier to prove someone existed than to prove someone that did exist was in fact the son of God. I do believe a man named Jesus could've very well existed. I do not believe he was without sin and the son of God. Granted, it all comes down to "what's written" and what we choose to believe about it. Let's say Nero didn't really exist, well at least we are not basing religion and fundamental ways of current life on that. And, we can still take the lessons of history from that. We cannot do the same with Jesus being or not being the son of God. Jeremy Falcon
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So.. you're taking advantage of someone's misfortunate state of being? Shame on you.
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If you mean offering a hand up is "taking advantage" I'd have to agree.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
That depends on the context of the platform. A smart man that is stranded in the middle of nowhere with no education has a better chance of survival than an educated idiot.
Education isn't suitable for survival. Animal-like behavior is. And you're assuming that educated people are unintelligent, when in fact there's a high correlation between IQ and the level of one's education.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Also, that wasn't my point. I never said education wasn't important. But they are different aspect that you've been overlaying in attempts to belittle me because I didn't know too much about Nero.
I'm belittling you for stating that you don't believe anything that is simply told to you. If that's the case, then you reject most of the world, its history and science and will never learn a thing.
espeir wrote:
And you're assuming that educated people are unintelligent
No I'm not. And never did I say that. You need to double-check your own logic.
espeir wrote:
when in fact there's a high correlation between IQ and the level of one's education.
Yes, but they are two independent things.
espeir wrote:
I'm belittling you for stating that you don't believe anything that is simply told to you. If that's the case, then you reject most of the world, its history and science and will never learn a thing.
Then you're retarded. Me not beleiving in Jesus being the son of God does not mean I do not beleive anything someone tells me. Really, get off your damn high horse. Jeremy Falcon
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You don't either. In fact you just created division over someone trying to show kindness and support.:rose:
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Hmm.. I didn't see that as kindness and support. What I saw was someone trying to push his beliefs onto someone who's saddened. Maybe it was his intent, but it didn't show. I think it just enforced my view of the human race: we're all just a bunch of egomaniacs, trying to convert everybody to our own belief system. (If that wasn't the case, we wouldn't be arguing so much, would we? :))
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I do believe a man named Jesus could've very well existed.
He does! He lives over by the park. Jesus Rodriguez, horrible basketball player but pretty nice guy. :)
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leckey wrote:
irstly, the gospels were written long after Jesus lived--we're talking a couple hundred years. It's hard to take it as a historical non-fiction piece when looked at it in that light.
The gospels were written shortly after Jesus' death (within a couple of decades). They were compiled a couple hundred years later into what is now the accepted New Testament. This was done in order to exclude false works (like the Gospel of Judas) that were written by the gnostics during early Christianity. This isn't a matter of faith but of documented and accepted history (by both secular and religious historians).
There is no hard evidence for what you assert, except for the church's word. I've yet to see anything but "take my word for it!"-evidence.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
This proves you are being stupid. Do not confuse (I'm sure it's difficult for you) not being the most educated in history with not being educated. In case you haven't noticed, there are plenty of fields of study. Also, do not confuse education with intelligence. I hope that's not too much to ask of you.
Well...Not having heard of Nero is pretty uneducated, but that's besides the point. The point is that every educated person derives his knowledge from what others have told him. That is pretty much the definition of education. To dismiss something merely because you did not learn it from direct personal experience is ignorance.
espeir wrote:
The point is that every educated person derives his knowledge from what others have told him.
So where do uneducated persons derive their knowledge? From unothers? Perhaps "others that have untold him"?
espeir wrote:
The point is
Still waiting for that. :confused:
espeir wrote:
That is pretty much the definition of education.
and that. :zzz:
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espeir wrote:
And you're assuming that educated people are unintelligent
No I'm not. And never did I say that. You need to double-check your own logic.
espeir wrote:
when in fact there's a high correlation between IQ and the level of one's education.
Yes, but they are two independent things.
espeir wrote:
I'm belittling you for stating that you don't believe anything that is simply told to you. If that's the case, then you reject most of the world, its history and science and will never learn a thing.
Then you're retarded. Me not beleiving in Jesus being the son of God does not mean I do not beleive anything someone tells me. Really, get off your damn high horse. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
No I'm not. And never did I say that. You need to double-check your own logic.
Sure you are. You're assigning mutual exclusivity between the two (e.g. in the wild you're either smart and survive or educated and die).
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Yes, but they are two independent things.
That are usually associated with one another.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Then you're retarded. Me not beleiving in Jesus being the son of God does not mean I do not beleive anything someone tells me. Really, get off your damn high horse.
No, but you stating that you don't believe something just because somebody tells you so does.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I thought it particularly selfish that he was trying to take advantage of someone's misery to preach his religious beliefs.
I don't think it was selfish of him at all. When a Christian tells someone else of their own beliefs, it's usually out of a desire to help the other person. Christianity isn't some pyramid scheme where you get more points in heaven for every person you sign up... :rolleyes:
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Christianity isn't some pyramid scheme where you get more points in heaven for every person you sign up...
Hmm.. are you sure? I'm positive I've read that all Christians should spread the word. If you don't, then you go against the bible, and that ought to be sin, right? And sin is bad karma. That much I do know. :)
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
That depends on the context of the platform. A smart man that is stranded in the middle of nowhere with no education has a better chance of survival than an educated idiot.
Education isn't suitable for survival. Animal-like behavior is. And you're assuming that educated people are unintelligent, when in fact there's a high correlation between IQ and the level of one's education.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Also, that wasn't my point. I never said education wasn't important. But they are different aspect that you've been overlaying in attempts to belittle me because I didn't know too much about Nero.
I'm belittling you for stating that you don't believe anything that is simply told to you. If that's the case, then you reject most of the world, its history and science and will never learn a thing.
espeir wrote:
I'm belittling you for stating that you don't believe anything that is simply told to you.
The world is flat. Go forth and believe. You are belittling him because you think you are better than him. It's been going on for thousands of years and it is NEVER EVER GOING TO STOP. EVER EVER
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Hmmmmmm, sandwich!!!
Ham, cheese or BLT sir? :) We made the buttons on the screen look so good you'll want to lick them. Steve Jobs
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espeir wrote:
The point is that every educated person derives his knowledge from what others have told him.
So where do uneducated persons derive their knowledge? From unothers? Perhaps "others that have untold him"?
espeir wrote:
The point is
Still waiting for that. :confused:
espeir wrote:
That is pretty much the definition of education.
and that. :zzz:
led mike wrote:
So where do uneducated persons derive their knowledge? From unothers? Perhaps "others that have untold him"?
They just have very little of it. They know what their mama told 'em.
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espeir wrote:
I'm belittling you for stating that you don't believe anything that is simply told to you.
The world is flat. Go forth and believe. You are belittling him because you think you are better than him. It's been going on for thousands of years and it is NEVER EVER GOING TO STOP. EVER EVER
led mike wrote:
You are belittling him because you think you are better than him.
That's your cup of tea.
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Steve Holle wrote:
There is no hope otherwise.
I'm normally one to keep quiet when it comes to all things religous. I respect people's choices to believe whatever they want. But I think you took it too far by saying that there is no hope for this poor grieving guy unless he adopts your beliefs. Come on, I'm sure the guy is confused enough with life at this point. Don't try to shove your religion down his throat at a tender moment like that! Josh
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David Stone wrote:
Christianity isn't some pyramid scheme where you get more points in heaven for every person you sign up...
Hmm.. are you sure? I'm positive I've read that all Christians should spread the word. If you don't, then you go against the bible, and that ought to be sin, right? And sin is bad karma. That much I do know. :)
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Heh. I wasn't trying to imply that we shouldn't. I was saying that it's not like we lose points if we don't. ;)
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