How do you cope?
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
That's your interpretation of it which is wrong. It's not referring to the particular incident at all, but general advice for years later.
It's not like you were speaking in pig latin or anything. It was pretty clear what you said and it stands on its own without any further need of interpretation. Whether you deal with it immediately or later is irrelevant.
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I know you think you're always right
Only because I assert myself what I know I'm right and I'm quiet when ambiguous. Therefore, whenever I communicate, there's a very good chance I'm right.
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espeir wrote:
True or False: Nero was emperor of Rome.
It's a CD Burning package. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
It's a CD Burning package.
DVDs too. Regards, Nish
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At nighttime.
espeir wrote:
At nighttime.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I thought it particularly selfish that he was trying to take advantage of someone's misery to preach his religious beliefs.
I don't think it was selfish of him at all. When a Christian tells someone else of their own beliefs, it's usually out of a desire to help the other person. Christianity isn't some pyramid scheme where you get more points in heaven for every person you sign up... :rolleyes:
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How's it feel to be the man?David Stone wrote:
Christianity isn't some pyramid scheme where you get more points in heaven for every person you sign up...
But that is exactly how I see many devout Christians behave. While I was in the Marines, I had a Corporal who worked under me and he kept preaching to me. I gave him four fair warnings about preaching religion to me personally, about how it's not acceptable to me and that he should cease. He didn't. I asked him why he persisted. He said as a Christian it was his duty to save my soul. I asked him if he believed he could fly or that Jesus would catch him if I threw him out the office window (second floor of a two story building) onto the cars in the parking lot. He then said "are you threatening me?" I said "No, but I did give you FOUR chances to stop and you didn't. So I felt compelled to provide the appropriate risk for your perceived reward." He didn't say anything to me again about religion in any form. Sharing your beliefs about how you can find strength in God and Jesus is fine. But then Steve Holle threw in an obvious penalty clause about how there is no hope otherwise, that was crossing a line that shouldn't have been crossed. And Steve *KNEW* he was crossing the line when he posted it but he went ahead and did it anyway, which shows a huge lack of sense *AND* sensitivity. Both of which I'm told repeatedly are highy valued Christian traits. And both of which are repeatedly displayed as being in short supply in those same Christians. Mike Poz -- modified at 16:40 Tuesday 27th June, 2006 forgot to debold... -- modified at 16:41 Tuesday 27th June, 2006 I really have to learn to use the preview button...
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Shog9 wrote:
and hope to be reunited again some day.
Shog - I've read your articles and posts over the past few years and have a good respect for your thoughts. I am not wanting to start a flame war, as I am very agnostic on the idea, but what makes you cling to the idea of an afterlife? Is it just out of comfort, or is there some sort of scientific basis? When I am depressed in times like these, I find myself wanting, hoping, for some sort of reunification in the end, but the whole idea just doesn't quite analign with my analytical thinking. And that saddens me even more. Jim RunFatBoy.net[^] - Exercise for the rest of us.
I just can't see that the wonder of all that we are, with the capacity to love and be loved, our incredible consciousness and powers of thought, our unique personhood, our appreciation for beauty, our innate understanding of the timeless philosophical and moral principles that transcend religious and cultural systems, could exist without a purpose. As much as many say that they come from chance, in a cold, impersonal universe, it simply does not make sense that such things could come into being without something and Someone beyond this physical realm. A great many of us see a very real deeper meaning, beyond our physical world, that comes not merely from fear of death, but from an understanding of the wonder of life. It gives a picture that points us to something greater. There is a yearning to be fulfilled beyond what this world can offer, which, if there were no real fulfillment, would be the only instinctive desire for which there is no true satisfaction. And if this deeper part of us exists, why should it be tied to our physical bodies? Why what transcends our physical world not be able to transcend the physical body after death, and live on in its glory? I am a Christian because the true teachings of Jesus so fit with the things I see and observe and sense on a daily basis - the principles explain and fulfill and give order to and agree with my instinctive understanding of the moral law, the wonders of what I see around me and within me, the glimpses of priceless and eternal beauty in each and every person, the importance of nurturing each of them, and the purpose behind all of it. Jesus has promised us eternal life, if we follow what He has taught us, and if what He has said resounds so true, why should He not be right about that also?
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David Stone wrote:
Christianity isn't some pyramid scheme where you get more points in heaven for every person you sign up...
But that is exactly how I see many devout Christians behave. While I was in the Marines, I had a Corporal who worked under me and he kept preaching to me. I gave him four fair warnings about preaching religion to me personally, about how it's not acceptable to me and that he should cease. He didn't. I asked him why he persisted. He said as a Christian it was his duty to save my soul. I asked him if he believed he could fly or that Jesus would catch him if I threw him out the office window (second floor of a two story building) onto the cars in the parking lot. He then said "are you threatening me?" I said "No, but I did give you FOUR chances to stop and you didn't. So I felt compelled to provide the appropriate risk for your perceived reward." He didn't say anything to me again about religion in any form. Sharing your beliefs about how you can find strength in God and Jesus is fine. But then Steve Holle threw in an obvious penalty clause about how there is no hope otherwise, that was crossing a line that shouldn't have been crossed. And Steve *KNEW* he was crossing the line when he posted it but he went ahead and did it anyway, which shows a huge lack of sense *AND* sensitivity. Both of which I'm told repeatedly are highy valued Christian traits. And both of which are repeatedly displayed as being in short supply in those same Christians. Mike Poz -- modified at 16:40 Tuesday 27th June, 2006 forgot to debold... -- modified at 16:41 Tuesday 27th June, 2006 I really have to learn to use the preview button...
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Hmm.. I didn't see that as kindness and support. What I saw was someone trying to push his beliefs onto someone who's saddened. Maybe it was his intent, but it didn't show. I think it just enforced my view of the human race: we're all just a bunch of egomaniacs, trying to convert everybody to our own belief system. (If that wasn't the case, we wouldn't be arguing so much, would we? :))
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Actually many religions do not want converts. If you want to become Jewish the Rabbi is to turn you away at least three times. You have to be born Hindu. Christianity is the only religion I know that promotes conversion.
Islam too promotes conversion, as well as Buddhism.
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Absolutely! I saw him last summer touring with Rufus Wainwright and Ben Lee. Amazing stuff. :)
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Shog9 wrote:
and hope to be reunited again some day.
Shog - I've read your articles and posts over the past few years and have a good respect for your thoughts. I am not wanting to start a flame war, as I am very agnostic on the idea, but what makes you cling to the idea of an afterlife? Is it just out of comfort, or is there some sort of scientific basis? When I am depressed in times like these, I find myself wanting, hoping, for some sort of reunification in the end, but the whole idea just doesn't quite analign with my analytical thinking. And that saddens me even more. Jim RunFatBoy.net[^] - Exercise for the rest of us.
To read fascinating info and stories about people who have been clinically dead and come back to life, to tell about what they have experienced, take a look at http://near-death.com/[^]. --- Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis is a book by a former agnostic that explains the fundamental basics of the Christian perspective in a logical, non-preachy, down-to-earth way. It is a must-read for anyone who wants to understand the basics of Christian belief and why Christians believe it.
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David Stone wrote:
Christianity isn't some pyramid scheme where you get more points in heaven for every person you sign up...
But that is exactly how I see many devout Christians behave. While I was in the Marines, I had a Corporal who worked under me and he kept preaching to me. I gave him four fair warnings about preaching religion to me personally, about how it's not acceptable to me and that he should cease. He didn't. I asked him why he persisted. He said as a Christian it was his duty to save my soul. I asked him if he believed he could fly or that Jesus would catch him if I threw him out the office window (second floor of a two story building) onto the cars in the parking lot. He then said "are you threatening me?" I said "No, but I did give you FOUR chances to stop and you didn't. So I felt compelled to provide the appropriate risk for your perceived reward." He didn't say anything to me again about religion in any form. Sharing your beliefs about how you can find strength in God and Jesus is fine. But then Steve Holle threw in an obvious penalty clause about how there is no hope otherwise, that was crossing a line that shouldn't have been crossed. And Steve *KNEW* he was crossing the line when he posted it but he went ahead and did it anyway, which shows a huge lack of sense *AND* sensitivity. Both of which I'm told repeatedly are highy valued Christian traits. And both of which are repeatedly displayed as being in short supply in those same Christians. Mike Poz -- modified at 16:40 Tuesday 27th June, 2006 forgot to debold... -- modified at 16:41 Tuesday 27th June, 2006 I really have to learn to use the preview button...
I agree with you. I've often said that I think it's really sad that Christians are some of the most judgmental people I know. For people whose religion is based on love and forgiveness, Christians are so quick to condemn and alienate rather than form relationships and show love. Heck, Jesus chose to eat with tax collectors and prostitutes rather than the priests and religious leaders of the day. I'm aware of the fact that many Christians go about spouting their beliefs to anybody who will (or, in a lot of cases, won't) listen. And I'm upset at them because they make all Christians look bad in the process. By the way, I'd like to proselytize to you for a minute. You don't need to use the preview button. You need to use CPhog[^]. It's got an in-page WYSIWYG post editor that lets you reply to posts without ever leaving the forum page. It's really cool. (Alright, I admit. I had a hand in writing it. And the WYSIWYG editor is my baby. :-D)
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Absolutely! I saw him last summer touring with Rufus Wainwright and Ben Lee. Amazing stuff. :)
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Islam too promotes conversion, as well as Buddhism.
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Ah, I get your point. When you put it that way, I'd have to agree with you that Christians are probably alone promoting.
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leckey wrote:
Yeah, but when is the last time they showed up on your doorstep to "promote?"
One reason Christianity is conversion-intensve is that, when Christianity was forming, it had to compete with other religions - so conversion was, and still is, the core of their religious propagation. With Hinduism, when it formed, there was no competition, so there's no concept of conversion. Islam has conversion too (or at least in the past they did). Large number of Hindus were converted to Islam (mostly under force) during the pre-Mughal dynasty in India. I don't think Buddhism has conversion - though I guess they do write books to help people understand it better. Regards, Nish
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leckey wrote:
Very well said.
Agreed - that was a good post! Regards, Nish
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Shog9 wrote:
and hope to be reunited again some day.
Shog - I've read your articles and posts over the past few years and have a good respect for your thoughts. I am not wanting to start a flame war, as I am very agnostic on the idea, but what makes you cling to the idea of an afterlife? Is it just out of comfort, or is there some sort of scientific basis? When I am depressed in times like these, I find myself wanting, hoping, for some sort of reunification in the end, but the whole idea just doesn't quite analign with my analytical thinking. And that saddens me even more. Jim RunFatBoy.net[^] - Exercise for the rest of us.
AAntix wrote:
I am not wanting to start a flame war, as I am very agnostic on the idea, but what makes you cling to the idea of an afterlife? Is it just out of comfort, or is there some sort of scientific basis?
I have no scientific basis - such a thing would require the ability to run controlled tests, and that would be impractical (and likely quite unethical). I believe in a Creator who sets our lives in motion for reasons of His own, and has indicated that once this vast project has been completed, He intends to revive the souls of all who were involved in it. I believe that, although his reasons are for the most part inscrutable to us, He has indicated His love for us by providing a means of salvation apart from that which we could achieve on our own. Why do i believe these things? I could say that it is because i was taught them as a child, and have clung to them over time... but this is useless, as there are many things i learned as a child which have failed me and been discarded. Rather, i suspect that i believe in the Creator and the Resurrection for the same reasons i believe in Truth and Life - that these things which i originally accepted on faith based on those who taught them to me have become, over time, beliefs that have found their way into the way i look at the world around me. A cynic might say i believe out of habit; i concede this possibility, but do not consider it either a useful or valid stance. Rather, i believe because God has permitted me to believe. :)
AAntix wrote:
but the whole idea just doesn't quite analign with my analytical thinking. And that saddens me even more.
Analytical thinking is very useful. But it is always important to keep in mind that there are many, many times when you will not have enough data to analyze, and will ultimately end up just picking the answer that sounds best. What that is, and whether it is ultimately true or useful, depend a lot more on your state of mind than on any real skill.
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espeir wrote:
At nighttime.
A skin joke? Regards, Nish
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Dude.. you're not supposed to eat ham, are you? :~
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