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espeir wrote:
At nighttime.
A skin joke? Regards, Nish
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Dude.. you're not supposed to eat ham, are you? :~
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Oh.. :dumbfounded: where did I get that from then? :~
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Dude.. you're not supposed to eat ham, are you? :~
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I'm not Muslim. Even though it is against the Druze religion, they don't enforce it on the seculars. :) Homer Simpson: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Lisa, honey, are saying you're never going to eat any animal again? What about bacon? Lisa Simpson: No. Homer Simpson: Ham? Lisa Simpson: No. Homer Simpson: Pork chops? Lisa Simpson: Dad! Those all come from the same animal! Homer Simpson: [Chuckles] Yeah, right Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal.
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I'm not Muslim. Even though it is against the Druze religion, they don't enforce it on the seculars. :) Homer Simpson: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Lisa, honey, are saying you're never going to eat any animal again? What about bacon? Lisa Simpson: No. Homer Simpson: Ham? Lisa Simpson: No. Homer Simpson: Pork chops? Lisa Simpson: Dad! Those all come from the same animal! Homer Simpson: [Chuckles] Yeah, right Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal.
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:-D Yes! Pig, swine, pork! Pure magic!
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David Stone wrote:
Christianity isn't some pyramid scheme where you get more points in heaven for every person you sign up...
But that is exactly how I see many devout Christians behave. While I was in the Marines, I had a Corporal who worked under me and he kept preaching to me. I gave him four fair warnings about preaching religion to me personally, about how it's not acceptable to me and that he should cease. He didn't. I asked him why he persisted. He said as a Christian it was his duty to save my soul. I asked him if he believed he could fly or that Jesus would catch him if I threw him out the office window (second floor of a two story building) onto the cars in the parking lot. He then said "are you threatening me?" I said "No, but I did give you FOUR chances to stop and you didn't. So I felt compelled to provide the appropriate risk for your perceived reward." He didn't say anything to me again about religion in any form. Sharing your beliefs about how you can find strength in God and Jesus is fine. But then Steve Holle threw in an obvious penalty clause about how there is no hope otherwise, that was crossing a line that shouldn't have been crossed. And Steve *KNEW* he was crossing the line when he posted it but he went ahead and did it anyway, which shows a huge lack of sense *AND* sensitivity. Both of which I'm told repeatedly are highy valued Christian traits. And both of which are repeatedly displayed as being in short supply in those same Christians. Mike Poz -- modified at 16:40 Tuesday 27th June, 2006 forgot to debold... -- modified at 16:41 Tuesday 27th June, 2006 I really have to learn to use the preview button...
Right on. :)
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Oh.. :dumbfounded: where did I get that from then? :~
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
where did I get that from then?
May be from his name or Arabic on his home page :~ Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
where did I get that from then?
May be from his name or Arabic on his home page :~ Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
The name's probably it. May I ask what you perceive of me, just by looking at my name? Line noise? :-D
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The name's probably it. May I ask what you perceive of me, just by looking at my name? Line noise? :-D
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:-D I kind of figured and the reminder was *very* good. :rose: You've already rubbed off on me though. This weekend I tried to get closer to a buck to get a better photo and I found myself wondering what Jeffry's grandfather might have to offer for advice at this moment in time. Needless to say, I didn't have the advice and consequently don't have a photo either.:sigh::-D
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code-frog wrote:
I found myself wondering what Jeffry's grandfather might have to offer for advice at this moment in time.
Move slow and downwind. :laugh: ;P :laugh: _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Yeah, sure, a "hope for life after death" could be interpreted as insulting, but just about anything can be construed as insulting. It's an unattainable, utopian goal to not-offend the whole world. Now, if you meant you were personally insulted by the hope for life after death, well, as a practicing Jew you seem to be, I don't think you found it insulting, as we clearly believe in hope for life after death. We otherwise wouldn't do seemingly silly things our religion has us do, like leaving the door open for the obviously-dead Elijah during Passover seders. Or believe in the resurrecting miracles performed by some of our prophets so long ago. So, I assume you meant you personally weren't insulted by the hope of life after death, but others could be.
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My last name certainly indicate northern heritage. Sigvardsson means Son of Sigvard. Sigvard is a swedified version of the old northern name Sigurd. Sigurd means Guardian of Victory. There you have it! :cool: Jörgen however, is derived from the greek name Georgios, which in turn is derived from Georgos, which means farmer. :^)
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leckey wrote:
Yeah, but when is the last time they showed up on your doorstep to "promote?"
One reason Christianity is conversion-intensve is that, when Christianity was forming, it had to compete with other religions - so conversion was, and still is, the core of their religious propagation. With Hinduism, when it formed, there was no competition, so there's no concept of conversion. Islam has conversion too (or at least in the past they did). Large number of Hindus were converted to Islam (mostly under force) during the pre-Mughal dynasty in India. I don't think Buddhism has conversion - though I guess they do write books to help people understand it better. Regards, Nish
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I don't think Buddhism has conversion
I think that Buddhism is more of an "adoption" thing rather than a "conversion" thing. From all that I understand of Buddhism (admittedly I'm not a scholar), it's always a personal choice based upon one's research into what the religion/philosopy of Buddhism represents, which basically can be summed by this concept: "the self is one with the all". Please correct me if I'm wrong here. What I find interesting is that in Japan, Buddhism and Shintoism co-exist because I was told that one deals solely with life (Buddhism, or those who are here in the now), and the other with death (Shintoism, or those who have passed on) and so are actually complimentary. The most amazing thing is that while the two are mutually exclusive, the Japanese find no conflict in the duality in themselves and their society even though Buddhism is an adopted religion and Shintoism is home-grown. Mike Poz
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I don't know. I almost think knowing they are still alive would be worse. I didn't get to see my mother's body before she was cremated. I still have dreams she is really alive, I track her down, and she faked her death because she didn't love me anymore and still doesn't want me in her life. Death you can't control. Other situations such as abandonment I think are emotionally worse.
leckey wrote:
I don't know. I almost think knowing they are still alive would be worse.
Comparing grief is not good, which was my point. Every person handles grief differently, and how you handle grief even yourself depends on what other life experiences you have had in the past as well as recently. Loosing your parents when you just lost your job is different than when you have one even for you alone. My point was grief is different for everyone in every situation. Be sypathetic, empathic, or however you want to think of it, but don't compare grief as a quality/quantity. No two are ever the same, no two can really be judged more difficult/worse. People look down at those who grieve from loss of pets, because, obviously, the pet is not human. At the same time, if this is a person's only companion. Ignore the "pet" aspect, ignore the family circumstances, focusing only on the loss of the only companion for someone is still devistating. You just cannot compare grief, it makes everyone miserable. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Mr. Dunlap - Conversely, listen to this interview with Mary Roach on her book "Spook: Science Tackles the Afterlife.[^] There was a study where cardiologists at the University of Virginia were interested in trying to verify the out-of-body experience. What they did was setup a laptop open flat facing the ceiling. The laptop displayed different images at different intervals. The cardiologists were specifically looking at patients that had diffibulators being inserted (to kick-start their heart; installation requires the stoppage of the heart briefly). The cardiologists asked all of their patients if they remember anything from their experience in the operating room and of the 24 that claim that they did, none of them could identify what was on the laptop screen at the time of their heart stoppage. Not that this proves much of anything, but these are the sorts of controlled studies I enjoy hearing about when studying the after-life. And of course, there's always the possibility that proving the existance of another realm is outside our current testing capabilities. Jim RunFatBoy.net[^] - Exercise for the rest of us.
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Mr. Dunlap - Conversely, listen to this interview with Mary Roach on her book "Spook: Science Tackles the Afterlife.[^] There was a study where cardiologists at the University of Virginia were interested in trying to verify the out-of-body experience. What they did was setup a laptop open flat facing the ceiling. The laptop displayed different images at different intervals. The cardiologists were specifically looking at patients that had diffibulators being inserted (to kick-start their heart; installation requires the stoppage of the heart briefly). The cardiologists asked all of their patients if they remember anything from their experience in the operating room and of the 24 that claim that they did, none of them could identify what was on the laptop screen at the time of their heart stoppage. Not that this proves much of anything, but these are the sorts of controlled studies I enjoy hearing about when studying the after-life. And of course, there's always the possibility that proving the existance of another realm is outside our current testing capabilities. Jim RunFatBoy.net[^] - Exercise for the rest of us.
AAntix wrote:
The cardiologists were specifically looking at patients that had diffibulators being inserted (to kick-start their heart; installation requires the stoppage of the heart briefly). The cardiologists asked all of their patients if they remember anything from their experience in the operating room and of the 24 that claim that they did, none of them could identify what was on the laptop screen at the time of their heart stoppage.
That is most interesting! Regards, Nish
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My last name certainly indicate northern heritage. Sigvardsson means Son of Sigvard. Sigvard is a swedified version of the old northern name Sigurd. Sigurd means Guardian of Victory. There you have it! :cool: Jörgen however, is derived from the greek name Georgios, which in turn is derived from Georgos, which means farmer. :^)
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So, you are a farmer who is a son of the guardian of victory? :) Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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The name's probably it. May I ask what you perceive of me, just by looking at my name? Line noise? :-D
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
May I ask what you perceive of me, just by looking at my name?
A good CPer! ;P Farhan Noor Qureshi if (this == this) thow this;
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Last night my grandfather passed away. He was 89. He was stricken with Parkinsons and a whole host of other ailments that seem to come along when you get 80+ years old. His last 7 years he lived with Dementia, often forgetting the names of his children and close friends. It was the first time I ever saw someone dying right in front of me. His breathing was shallow and rapid. I hate the sight of seeing him in pain. I hate that my final memories are of him in this fragile state. I've always had difficulty accepting death. The idea of "just accept it and move on" seems to never provide me any comfort. When I think about my death or the death of my loved ones, my entire body reacts making my knees weak, heart race, and all of my thoughts are consumed with trying to find resolve. How do you live on in peace knowing the inevitable? Jim RunFatBoy.net[^] - Exercise for the rest of us.
I'd like to thank everyone who gave their condolences and offered perspective. While spending time with family and friends always seems to be the best medicine, I thoroughly enjoy the therapy received from anonymous, objective posters. Thanks to everyone who has helped me out during this time. Jim RunFatBoy.net[^] - Exercise for the rest of us.
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code-frog wrote:
In fact you just created division over someone trying to show kindness and support.
Hey Rex, This is part of what that guy said :- You need to find out what it means to accept Jesus as your Saviour and Lord. There is no hope otherwise. That last sentence about non-Jesusites having no hope was totally uncalled for! I thought it particularly selfish that he was trying to take advantage of someone's misery to preach his religious beliefs. Regards, Nish
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This is part of what that guy said :- You need to find out what it means to accept Jesus as your Saviour and Lord. There is no hope otherwise. That last sentence about non-Jesusites having no hope was totally uncalled for! I thought it particularly selfish that he was trying to take advantage of someone's misery to preach his religious beliefs.
As an ex-atheist I can see both sides of this. What he said stemmed from directly from the fact that according to the Gospels Jesus said quite unequivocally that "there is no way to the Father except through me". The Christian tenet that if you don't follow Jesus you cannot be saved (as in "saved from death to live eternal life with God") stems directly from this. It therefore shouldn't be a surprise that many Christians will see it as part of their calling to make others aware of the implications of this, and to try to save them. That may seem odd (and rude!) to many but it is an absolutely central part of Christian doctrine. :rose: Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.