Spoilt by .NET
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Ouch, must be like loosing a hand. Had to do some php maintenance the other week, horrible stuff. No where near as grim as VBScript though. Nothing better than a language that pretends to be dynamically typed that constantly whines about type mismatches, at least php does a far better job at that. Ryan
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
Ouch, must be like loosing a hand.
Yes indeed! X|
Ryan Roberts wrote:
No where near as grim as VBScript though.
VBScript, yuck! But you can build quite powerful stuff with it using COM, was always impressed with that aspect. Wout
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I'm working on some PHP site, but I'm really missing type safety, a compiler catching my errors, auto completion, refactory tools. Would something like Zend studio sooth the pain a bit? Or should I just tell the guy I'm doing the work for (mostly as a favor, I'm not really getting rich from this) that I can't take it anymore and can only do .NET? :~ Php is not too bad, but it's taking me quite some energy to switch from .NET to php and getting familiar with it, so maybe I should just stick with .NET. Wout
You think you got it bad... My client just gave me a job where he insists that I must develop it in Access (he want to be able to tweak it (err... wreak it) himself.) using Access forms ..... shudder..... I've had to crack open my dusty DAO VB4 book and have spent many hours already trying to figure out how to make it work when it would be done in a hour in .Net. I tried telling him that its like he is asking me to build a house using a claw hammer and a hand saw when there is a nail gun and a mitre saw in the truck. Fell on deaf ears. I am making progress but man it blows. If he wasnt such a good client I'd have decined the job. Cheers, David
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You think you got it bad... My client just gave me a job where he insists that I must develop it in Access (he want to be able to tweak it (err... wreak it) himself.) using Access forms ..... shudder..... I've had to crack open my dusty DAO VB4 book and have spent many hours already trying to figure out how to make it work when it would be done in a hour in .Net. I tried telling him that its like he is asking me to build a house using a claw hammer and a hand saw when there is a nail gun and a mitre saw in the truck. Fell on deaf ears. I am making progress but man it blows. If he wasnt such a good client I'd have decined the job. Cheers, David
Haha, ok, you make me feel better! Thanks! :laugh: Wout
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Not sure if this helps at all, but have you looked at PHP4Mono[^]?
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Looks cool... looks a bit more active than the effort at http://www.php-compiler.net/[^]. (That one seems to have some VS integration though, which would be nice). Wout
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Josh Smith wrote:
PHP is old and not made by MS. Of course it's not as cool.
That would be funny if it weren't true. :sigh: [edit] True, as in people thinking that. I don't think like that at all. [/edit] Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
True, as in people thinking that. I don't think like that at all.
Therefore it must not be true! Thank you for pointing me in the "right" direction Oh Wise One. X| -- modified at 16:56 Tuesday 27th June, 2006 It looks like the Forum bug is in effect. This was a reply to Jeremy Falcon.
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You think you got it bad... My client just gave me a job where he insists that I must develop it in Access (he want to be able to tweak it (err... wreak it) himself.) using Access forms ..... shudder..... I've had to crack open my dusty DAO VB4 book and have spent many hours already trying to figure out how to make it work when it would be done in a hour in .Net. I tried telling him that its like he is asking me to build a house using a claw hammer and a hand saw when there is a nail gun and a mitre saw in the truck. Fell on deaf ears. I am making progress but man it blows. If he wasnt such a good client I'd have decined the job. Cheers, David
Orcrist wrote:
DAO
Oh god, can there be nothing slower. I'm glad MS finally dumped it, now we just need to let it die once and for all. Jeremy Falcon
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You think you got it bad... My client just gave me a job where he insists that I must develop it in Access (he want to be able to tweak it (err... wreak it) himself.) using Access forms ..... shudder..... I've had to crack open my dusty DAO VB4 book and have spent many hours already trying to figure out how to make it work when it would be done in a hour in .Net. I tried telling him that its like he is asking me to build a house using a claw hammer and a hand saw when there is a nail gun and a mitre saw in the truck. Fell on deaf ears. I am making progress but man it blows. If he wasnt such a good client I'd have decined the job. Cheers, David
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Orcrist wrote:
DAO
Oh god, can there be nothing slower. I'm glad MS finally dumped it, now we just need to let it die once and for all. Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
True, as in people thinking that. I don't think like that at all.
Therefore it must not be true! Thank you for pointing me in the "right" direction Oh Wise One. X| -- modified at 16:56 Tuesday 27th June, 2006 It looks like the Forum bug is in effect. This was a reply to Jeremy Falcon.
Josh Smith wrote:
Thank you for pointing me in the "right" direction Oh Wise One.
You're welcome. But I fear you're not wise enough yourself to really learn from my teachings. ;P Jeremy Falcon
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I'm working on some PHP site, but I'm really missing type safety, a compiler catching my errors, auto completion, refactory tools. Would something like Zend studio sooth the pain a bit? Or should I just tell the guy I'm doing the work for (mostly as a favor, I'm not really getting rich from this) that I can't take it anymore and can only do .NET? :~ Php is not too bad, but it's taking me quite some energy to switch from .NET to php and getting familiar with it, so maybe I should just stick with .NET. Wout
I just quit a job for this exact reason - I was told there would be *some* php, but it ended up being all php. It was making me crazy! It's so good to find myself back with my old friend, .NET, again :cool:
A mum and loving it!
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Josh Smith wrote:
Thank you for pointing me in the "right" direction Oh Wise One.
You're welcome. But I fear you're not wise enough yourself to really learn from my teachings. ;P Jeremy Falcon
:zzz:
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It's not so much the language, but mostly VS that I'm missing. I'm a heavy user of: - Autocompletion, ctrl-space bar, and the lesser known but very nice ctrl-shift-space bar. - Go to definition. - Extract method, Rename method. - Find all references. - And I definitely like getting the most out of stuff like generics and reflection, just for fun :) Hmmm, just made me think that there must be some idiots that tried making php into a .NET language :-D And indeed! There has been some effort, which seems not so much active anymore though: http://www.php-compiler.net/[^] Wout
What about VS.PHP? http://www.jcxsoftware.com/vs.php[^] They add PHP support to Visual Studio 2002, 2003, and 2005. I haven't used it but I sure would if I wasn't a pennyless grad student. Bart: Look at me, I'm a grad student. I'm 30 years old and I made $600 last year. Marge: Bart, don't make fun of grad students. They've just made a terrible life choice.
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wout de zeeuw wrote:
Php is not too bad, but it's taking me quite some energy to switch from .NET to php and getting familiar with it, so maybe I should just stick with .NET.
.NET is like a blackhole - once you get sucked in there's no way out. It's that great! PHP is old and not made by MS. Of course it's not as cool. :cool: JOSH
Josh Smith wrote:
PHP is old and not made by MS.
The same could be said about C++. :laugh:
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I just quit a job for this exact reason - I was told there would be *some* php, but it ended up being all php. It was making me crazy! It's so good to find myself back with my old friend, .NET, again :cool:
A mum and loving it!
I guess I'm the only one who loves PHP. (Although, not as much as C++ :) ) There are PHP editors out there which include things like auto-completion and color syntax highlighting. Both commerical[^] and free[^]. There is also a add-in[^] available for Visual Studio 2005, which costs money - and Eclipse[^] just released a (free) PHP plug-in for their platform as well.
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I'm working on some PHP site, but I'm really missing type safety, a compiler catching my errors, auto completion, refactory tools. Would something like Zend studio sooth the pain a bit? Or should I just tell the guy I'm doing the work for (mostly as a favor, I'm not really getting rich from this) that I can't take it anymore and can only do .NET? :~ Php is not too bad, but it's taking me quite some energy to switch from .NET to php and getting familiar with it, so maybe I should just stick with .NET. Wout