Java IDE's?
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:confused: that's what I said. If you are using Java, get over the fact that it is slow and do the work.
ahh, didn't get it like that... so many people here say "get over it", but think "Do C# instead"... nevermind, lol :-D
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Chris Austin wrote:
I personally prefer IntelliJ[^].
I second that. Alvaro
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Ive decided to try a bit of java (for no reason what so ever , just bored) Ive tried eclipse, which seems to have a shitload of good features, but for some reason it doesnt feel right, I cant put my finger on it but it feels kind of slow'ish and menus flips and flops all over the place. What other IDE's are there for java and is there anyone of those which feels atleast a bit like VS.NET ? //Roger http://www.puzzleframework.com
Try Netbeans.
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He's obviously upset he has to use Java. I can't really blame him. :-D Jeremy Falcon
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Hopefully shove it up a hole that you didn't know you had :rolleyes:
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toxcct wrote:
yes, it's a bit slow
Yes Java is slow, if you are going to work with it, get over it. :-D
led mike wrote:
Yes Java is slow, if you are going to work with it, get over it.
From http://www.cutthecrap.biz/software/whitepapers/history.html[^] "Enter Java My first java project involved persistent knowledge representation. The idea was to build a persistent system that mapped to a relational database, and allowed convenient navigation of knowledge structures. That was fine in itself, but I was keen to convert my C++ system to see how much slower java was. It was just an exercise, I had no expectation that the system would be usable. It didn't take long, and I was hugely surprised at the performance I got from java. Wow! At last a system with automatic memory management that I may be allowed to use commercially! It may be sad, but I was really excited. After a few weeks I could demonstrate that my native java persistent object system had far better performance than one based on a relational database. We continued developing java systems for a couple of years and then the team folded. At this point I began developing the Cut The Crap Software." Kevin
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I don't use Java but a colleague rates this IDE too. Kevin
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FYI: Borland is basing their next JBuilder on Eclipse.
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Hopefully shove it up a hole that you didn't know you had :rolleyes:
Formula 1 - Short for "F1 Racing" - named after the standard "help" key in Windows, it's a sport where participants desperately search through software help files trying to find actual documentation. It's tedious and somewhat cruel, most matches ending in a draw as no participant is able to find anything helpful. - Shog9 Ed
Ed.Poore wrote:
Hopefully shove it up a hole that you didn't know you had
LMAO!!!! You just made my day. Jeremy Falcon
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toxcct wrote:
if only you could knew what we do with java !!!
Bull. I've worked with Java devs before. J2EE/Java is no more feature rich than .NET and yet it manages to be 20 times slower. Jeremy Falcon
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FYI: Borland is basing their next JBuilder on Eclipse.
This reminds me of the Queen song, Another one bites the dust.
Formula 1 - Short for "F1 Racing" - named after the standard "help" key in Windows, it's a sport where participants desperately search through software help files trying to find actual documentation. It's tedious and somewhat cruel, most matches ending in a draw as no participant is able to find anything helpful. - Shog9 Ed
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led mike wrote:
Yes Java is slow, if you are going to work with it, get over it.
From http://www.cutthecrap.biz/software/whitepapers/history.html[^] "Enter Java My first java project involved persistent knowledge representation. The idea was to build a persistent system that mapped to a relational database, and allowed convenient navigation of knowledge structures. That was fine in itself, but I was keen to convert my C++ system to see how much slower java was. It was just an exercise, I had no expectation that the system would be usable. It didn't take long, and I was hugely surprised at the performance I got from java. Wow! At last a system with automatic memory management that I may be allowed to use commercially! It may be sad, but I was really excited. After a few weeks I could demonstrate that my native java persistent object system had far better performance than one based on a relational database. We continued developing java systems for a couple of years and then the team folded. At this point I began developing the Cut The Crap Software." Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
After a few weeks I could demonstrate that my native java persistent object system had far better performance than one based on a relational database.
Great, I can demonstrate that apples are shinier than oranges, so what? :confused:
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Ive decided to try a bit of java (for no reason what so ever , just bored) Ive tried eclipse, which seems to have a shitload of good features, but for some reason it doesnt feel right, I cant put my finger on it but it feels kind of slow'ish and menus flips and flops all over the place. What other IDE's are there for java and is there anyone of those which feels atleast a bit like VS.NET ? //Roger http://www.puzzleframework.com
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
After a few weeks I could demonstrate that my native java persistent object system had far better performance than one based on a relational database.
Great, I can demonstrate that apples are shinier than oranges, so what? :confused:
The point of the story is that this guy had a preconception that the Java implementation of his design must be slow but he was surprised that it wasn't. I think that what's going on in such cases is that the facility of creating a superior design/implementation trumps raw speed. I've had two interviews recently where my interviewer had told me that they had an application recoded in C# from C++ and found the C# version to be faster. Kevin
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Ive decided to try a bit of java (for no reason what so ever , just bored) Ive tried eclipse, which seems to have a shitload of good features, but for some reason it doesnt feel right, I cant put my finger on it but it feels kind of slow'ish and menus flips and flops all over the place. What other IDE's are there for java and is there anyone of those which feels atleast a bit like VS.NET ? //Roger http://www.puzzleframework.com
Roger J wrote:
What other IDE's are there for java
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Ive decided to try a bit of java (for no reason what so ever , just bored) Ive tried eclipse, which seems to have a shitload of good features, but for some reason it doesnt feel right, I cant put my finger on it but it feels kind of slow'ish and menus flips and flops all over the place. What other IDE's are there for java and is there anyone of those which feels atleast a bit like VS.NET ? //Roger http://www.puzzleframework.com
Well it was writen in Java... The tigress is here :-D
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Ive decided to try a bit of java (for no reason what so ever , just bored) Ive tried eclipse, which seems to have a shitload of good features, but for some reason it doesnt feel right, I cant put my finger on it but it feels kind of slow'ish and menus flips and flops all over the place. What other IDE's are there for java and is there anyone of those which feels atleast a bit like VS.NET ? //Roger http://www.puzzleframework.com
i did some dev in java a while back. i have not checked out eclipse. we used borland jbuilder. i dind't like jbuilder because it was too complex to manage simple projects. i really liked using intellij idea. google it and then check it out. it's from the same guys that give us resharper. it's great. my $.02 G-
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It's been years since I turned my back on Java, but when I was using is I was using a free IDE called Forte. I remember it being good, but I think I remember if being more like the Delphi 4 IDE then the VS IDE. Might be worth googling it to see if it's still around...
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NetBeans IDE[^] was marketed by Sun as "Forté for Java" for a while before it was open-sourced. http://www.netbeans.org/about/history.html[^]
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Ive decided to try a bit of java (for no reason what so ever , just bored) Ive tried eclipse, which seems to have a shitload of good features, but for some reason it doesnt feel right, I cant put my finger on it but it feels kind of slow'ish and menus flips and flops all over the place. What other IDE's are there for java and is there anyone of those which feels atleast a bit like VS.NET ? //Roger http://www.puzzleframework.com
For a faster IDE you might try out JCreator. It works pretty fine with low-end systems, and its hugely customizable. But ofcourse you wont get the functionality of VS.Net automatically. You can perhaps tweak JCreator to get closer performance to that of VS.Net. Another drawback was (when I was using JCreator) that there was no functionality to create forms. So we had to build the forms in slower JBuilder and port them on to JCreator, which carried it pretty fine. But... Notepad could be even better :-D uX marks the spot
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Ive decided to try a bit of java (for no reason what so ever , just bored) Ive tried eclipse, which seems to have a shitload of good features, but for some reason it doesnt feel right, I cant put my finger on it but it feels kind of slow'ish and menus flips and flops all over the place. What other IDE's are there for java and is there anyone of those which feels atleast a bit like VS.NET ? //Roger http://www.puzzleframework.com
There is a battle brewing here at my office between .NET and Java. We have a VoIP developer that insists I learn Java. He swears by it. Of course most of his stuff is written in native C++ though and he uses VS 2003 for that. I do have a $3500 copy of Borland's JBuilder but haven't even installed it yet. I use VS 2005 to develop all my new stuff. "Half this game is ninety percent mental." - Yogi Berra If you can read thank a teacher, if you can read in English, thank a Marine. M y and h don't work so well due to m addiction to caffeine and m in abilit to to set a cup down uprigt.