Football is Haram too apparently
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K(arl) wrote:
but sometimes things are not either black or white but in a shade of grey.
And sometimes they are clearly black and white - such as a picture of a six year old throwing something at a tank. Six year olds don't do stuff like that on their own. It was staged, at the risk of the child's life and you posted it to promote your world view. That tells me everything I need to know about the morality of your politics. "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
Six year olds don't do stuff like that on their own
In the city of Flint, Michigan, a kid of 6 year old was shot by a 6-year-old classmate. Do you believe it was staged too, because "Six year olds don't do stuff like that on their own"? In that case, I believe this child is doing the same as his older brothers, just imitating them. No need of a conspiracy theory to explain his action.
Stan Shannon wrote:
It was staged
Oh, you were there, then! In the Merkava maybe?
Stan Shannon wrote:
I need to know about the morality of your politics
If you say that in politics I prefer to deal with realities rather than through the deforming prism of bigotry then you are right.
It is easier to make war than to make peace. Fold with us! ¤ flickr
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Stan Shannon wrote:
There could be no way that some adult (the same adult who in a few years will be bravely strapping C4 onto the same child) said "Here, take this and throw it at the tank so that I can take your picture..."
I didnt say there was no way it could be that - just that it could also be the other way round, ie, its not black & white as you said in your previous post - that was my point.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The fact that you fall for this kind of idiotic propaganda says much about why Europeans believe as they do and are so incredibly icompetent politically.
I didnt 'fall prey' to anything - i was simply stating an alternate point of view. But in your typically extreme view its either 'with me, or against me', eh?
Stan Shannon wrote:
If I saw any child exposing themselves to that kind of danger I sure as hell would not be taking a picture of it. I would be trying to do something to get them out of the way of danger.
Stunningly good point (no, im not being sarcastic). Definatley does make the slant a little steeper - truely
Stan Shannon wrote:
The blood will be on your hands
Dont quite get how the blood will be on my hands, or are ya just trying to scare me into submission now? :rolleyes:
Stan Shannon wrote:
I have what I need. A brain, for example.
'grats! :zzz: "He who only hopes is forced to spend his life in the dark"
Ian Harrigan wrote:
its not black & white as you said in your previous post - that was my point.
It is absolutely black and white. The picture is propaganda, and the child's life was put at risk to get it (even if it wasn't staged, which I very seriously doubt).
Ian Harrigan wrote:
Stunningly good point ...
Yeah, I know, thats why I wrote it. Thats where the brain part comes in at.
Ian Harrigan wrote:
Dont quite get how the blood will be on my hands,
Becuase the people who control children like this will not hesitate to sacrifice them to put doubts in your mind about how black and white the issue really is. As long as they can instill doubts in you about the morality of your own cause versus theirs, they will continue to do so. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Six year olds don't do stuff like that on their own
In the city of Flint, Michigan, a kid of 6 year old was shot by a 6-year-old classmate. Do you believe it was staged too, because "Six year olds don't do stuff like that on their own"? In that case, I believe this child is doing the same as his older brothers, just imitating them. No need of a conspiracy theory to explain his action.
Stan Shannon wrote:
It was staged
Oh, you were there, then! In the Merkava maybe?
Stan Shannon wrote:
I need to know about the morality of your politics
If you say that in politics I prefer to deal with realities rather than through the deforming prism of bigotry then you are right.
It is easier to make war than to make peace. Fold with us! ¤ flickr
K(arl) wrote:
In the city of Flint, Michigan, a kid of 6 year old was shot by a 6-year-old classmate. Do you believe it was staged too, because "Six year olds don't do stuff like that on their own"?
If a picture of it was published in the local paper in order to promote an anti-gun agenda by someone who could have done something to stop it, than, yes, it was staged.
K(arl) wrote:
Oh, you were there, then! In the Merkava maybe?
I would rather be the hero in the tank than the jerk taking the picture.
K(arl) wrote:
If you say that in politics I prefer to deal with realities rather than through the deforming prism of bigotry then you are right.
You might want to take a closer look at that prism of yours. Feel free to use mine... "You get that which you tolerate"
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Yeah, I suppose too he was not talking about these ones[^]. As treason, terrorism is a matter of dates.
I'm kept awake at night by the sounds of anthracite screaming.
OMG are falling for Rachel the pancake? Speaking of photo ops gone wrong. Let's see, you walk in front of a bulldozer where the operator cannot see you, and you wonder why you were run over? It's all evolution. Thank God her genes are pernamently excluded from the human race. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Ian Harrigan wrote:
its not black & white as you said in your previous post - that was my point.
It is absolutely black and white. The picture is propaganda, and the child's life was put at risk to get it (even if it wasn't staged, which I very seriously doubt).
Ian Harrigan wrote:
Stunningly good point ...
Yeah, I know, thats why I wrote it. Thats where the brain part comes in at.
Ian Harrigan wrote:
Dont quite get how the blood will be on my hands,
Becuase the people who control children like this will not hesitate to sacrifice them to put doubts in your mind about how black and white the issue really is. As long as they can instill doubts in you about the morality of your own cause versus theirs, they will continue to do so. "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
It is absolutely black and white.
I dont see how an issue can be black and white when all the facts arent available - true it should probably be taken as propaganda, but every media hub in the world relies on those kind of tactics to get their points across. Whether the child was acting alone is certainly a grey area, and i find it more than a little strange that you can argue that. But id guess the best course of action would be to agree to disagree.
Stan Shannon wrote:
the people who control children like
Fair play, id agree with that (if the child was indeed being controlled). But i dont control children in any form and neither do i just drink up what any nutjob with a carmera/microphone/keyboard is willing to push out there (yourself included) so i fail to see how the blood is on my hands.
Ian Harrigan wrote:
Stunningly good point ...
Stan Shannon wrote:
Yeah, I know, thats why I wrote it. Thats where the brain part comes in at.
Humility is such a truly noble character trait! :rolleyes: "I learnt how to teach by being taught how to learn"
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No, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. You know - the guy who saved you from becoming a Nazi. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
let's send over a few troops to kick some Islamofacist ass!
When you're right, you're right. We should indeed. In fact, it would probably have been a great idea to have attacked Somalia first. We could have armed and trained the indiginous population there, and used them to invade Afganistan and Iraq. I'm sure they would have loved a little tit-for-tat. "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
We could have armed and trained the indiginous population there
It was done. The US helped the somalian warlords[^] to fight the islamist militias (yes, the same warlords who ousted the GIs in 1994). Now the US might be pushing Ethiopia to intervene as another proxy, the opposite situation to events of 1982.
It is easier to make war than to make peace. Fold with us! ¤ flickr
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Stan Shannon wrote:
We could have armed and trained the indiginous population there
It was done. The US helped the somalian warlords[^] to fight the islamist militias (yes, the same warlords who ousted the GIs in 1994). Now the US might be pushing Ethiopia to intervene as another proxy, the opposite situation to events of 1982.
It is easier to make war than to make peace. Fold with us! ¤ flickr
Ethiopa has a long history of fighting the Jihad, despite their apparent dispensation due to saving some of Mohammed's followers. A Taliban state in Somalia isn't going to go down well. http://k47.pbase.com/v3/87/314587/2/51576989.FrescoofStGeorge.jpg[^] Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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And both could exist if it were not for the single minded Islamic will to destroy Israel. "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
it were not for the single minded Islamic will to destroy Israel.
That is just one dimension of the conflict, and that might be changing Palestinian resistance/terrorism/insurgence is not islamist only. PLO recognized Israel’s right to exist for the first time, in 1988 but it didn't ensure the creation of Palestine either.
It is easier to make war than to make peace. Fold with us! ¤ flickr
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No, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. You know - the guy who saved you from becoming a Nazi. "You get that which you tolerate"
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OMG are falling for Rachel the pancake? Speaking of photo ops gone wrong. Let's see, you walk in front of a bulldozer where the operator cannot see you, and you wonder why you were run over? It's all evolution. Thank God her genes are pernamently excluded from the human race. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
like fighting to survive?
Israel is fighting to survive, but so are the Palestinians. Sending helicopter gunships to blow people up is effectively the same as sending young people wearing explosives. Neither is in the right. The Roadmap to Peace was a fantastic idea because it was balanced. I'm surprised and impressed that the US government thought of it and (in my opinion) it's the fault of the people in the Middle East that it didn't work.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
never happen - the world owes them a debt, thanks to Hitler.
You'd think that after their whole culture was persucuted by the Nazis that the Jews would be more understanding, but it seems that they are doing the same thing Hitler did. That's hypocrisy and using guilt over the Holocaust does not excuse it.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
but so are the Palestinians
wrong. if anything these people have a death wish.
Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
Sending helicopter gunships to blow people up is effectively the same as sending young people wearing explosives.
I'm still laughing - why don't we save them all the trouble: load'em up in 'copters and drop'em off in a convenient location.
Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
Nazis that the Jews would be more understanding
they are more understanding, they realize evil has to be confronted immediately.
Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
That's hypocrisy and using guilt over the Holocaust does not excuse it.
no hypocrisy, no guilt - just well honed survival instincts. Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors.
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OMG are falling for Rachel the pancake? Speaking of photo ops gone wrong. Let's see, you walk in front of a bulldozer where the operator cannot see you, and you wonder why you were run over? It's all evolution. Thank God her genes are pernamently excluded from the human race. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
like fighting to survive?
Israel is fighting to survive, but so are the Palestinians. Sending helicopter gunships to blow people up is effectively the same as sending young people wearing explosives. Neither is in the right. The Roadmap to Peace was a fantastic idea because it was balanced. I'm surprised and impressed that the US government thought of it and (in my opinion) it's the fault of the people in the Middle East that it didn't work.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
never happen - the world owes them a debt, thanks to Hitler.
You'd think that after their whole culture was persucuted by the Nazis that the Jews would be more understanding, but it seems that they are doing the same thing Hitler did. That's hypocrisy and using guilt over the Holocaust does not excuse it.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
« eikonoklastes »
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Ethiopa has a long history of fighting the Jihad, despite their apparent dispensation due to saving some of Mohammed's followers. A Taliban state in Somalia isn't going to go down well. http://k47.pbase.com/v3/87/314587/2/51576989.FrescoofStGeorge.jpg[^] Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Ryan Roberts wrote:
A Taliban state in Somalia isn't going to go down well.
Taliban State, this has to be seen. The radical islamism of the UIC is worrying, but it does not mean they will turn to Al-Qaeda supporters. Somalia might even been a safer place now regarding hosting terrorist groups than when it was a 'no-law area'. At least now there could a government responsible for what happens in Somalia. The example of Afghanistan might help them not to do the same mistakes.
It is easier to make war than to make peace. Fold with us! ¤ flickr
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
A Taliban state in Somalia isn't going to go down well.
Taliban State, this has to be seen. The radical islamism of the UIC is worrying, but it does not mean they will turn to Al-Qaeda supporters. Somalia might even been a safer place now regarding hosting terrorist groups than when it was a 'no-law area'. At least now there could a government responsible for what happens in Somalia. The example of Afghanistan might help them not to do the same mistakes.
It is easier to make war than to make peace. Fold with us! ¤ flickr
Call me a pessimist[^], but that isn't a good start. Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
they are doing the same thing Hitler did
There are certainly some hard line Jews who would like every Arab removed form Palestine. But I dont think the will go about it with Zyklon B. Of course, the fact that Mein Kampf is one of the most popular books in Palestine isnt helping the situation. Tronché pas ma miche! -- modified at 8:38 Thursday 6th July, 2006
fat_boy wrote:
There are certainly some hard line Jews who would like every Arab removed form Palestine. But I dont think the will go about it with Zyklon B.
That's what I mean. I realize the Jews aren't building another Auschwitz, but they are persecuting, killing, building walls, taking homes and so on from a group of people based on their race.
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fat_boy wrote:
There are certainly some hard line Jews who would like every Arab removed form Palestine. But I dont think the will go about it with Zyklon B.
That's what I mean. I realize the Jews aren't building another Auschwitz, but they are persecuting, killing, building walls, taking homes and so on from a group of people based on their race.
Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
people based on their race.
Good lord! It is hardly Israel's fault that people of that "race" are trying to destroy their country. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
let's send over a few troops to kick some Islamofacist ass!
When you're right, you're right. We should indeed. In fact, it would probably have been a great idea to have attacked Somalia first. We could have armed and trained the indiginous population there, and used them to invade Afganistan and Iraq. I'm sure they would have loved a little tit-for-tat. "You get that which you tolerate"
Since the warlords there have had support from outsiders (research the source yourself). The tigress is here :-D
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fat_boy wrote:
There are certainly some hard line Jews who would like every Arab removed form Palestine. But I dont think the will go about it with Zyklon B.
That's what I mean. I realize the Jews aren't building another Auschwitz, but they are persecuting, killing, building walls, taking homes and so on from a group of people based on their race.
Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
but they are persecuting, killing, building walls, taking homes and so on from a group of people based on their race.
Got any proof? How about a link for each: persecuting based on race. killing based on race. taking homes based on race. And remember, building a wall to keep terrorist OUT is not the same as building a wall to inprision someone. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
