VC++ 6.0 [modified]
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Oh your right, today is Wednesday. My apologies. :laugh: This statement is false.
Chris S Kaiser wrote:
Oh your right, today is Wednesday.
Not here it's not :rolleyes:
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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For C++ what productivity gains? I have to beat it into submission to manage my projects the way they're setup. Couldn't I just swap out the compiler? I like the way 6.0 lets you manage the project and workspace. Not every project is in the same solution although they are in my workspace. Trivial, but still worth a few hundred bucks. This statement is false.
I agree that the project management stuff can make some configurations more confusing (I had one of those--was never able to get it right in 2003.) But overall, I found the editing and file management to be better and that my productivity improved overall. I also found that when I switched back to 6.0, I found myself getting annoyed at things I had grown used to. Incidentally, I do think that many of these issues could be easily resolved with the 6.0 codebase and if the 2003 compiler were made to work with it, you would have a very compelling product. Of course Microsoft won't do this since they want you to use their latest pile o' crap--VS 2005 (which I am growing to truly loathe for C++ development.) Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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Nice. Thanks, but that brings up the question, is this legal? In terms of licensing? I'm an idiot when it comes to this. 132 for the current bid, for a full retail version of professional that's not bad at all.. This statement is false.
With few exceptions (for really high end products) transfering a software license is fully legal. Many of these products are extra stock that retailers find in warehouses, etc. If you are concerned, send an email to the seller. As Jeremy and I discussed, eBay tends to be buyer beware, but I've made a lot of legitimate purchases from there and have an overall very positive experience. Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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If it's not an OEM, then yes. But the licence cannot transfer without the EULA and other paperwork, make sure it comes with a box and with the EULA ( an OEM does not have a box, I dunno how else to tell ). Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Ok, thanks. That's good to know. This statement is false.
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I agree that the project management stuff can make some configurations more confusing (I had one of those--was never able to get it right in 2003.) But overall, I found the editing and file management to be better and that my productivity improved overall. I also found that when I switched back to 6.0, I found myself getting annoyed at things I had grown used to. Incidentally, I do think that many of these issues could be easily resolved with the 6.0 codebase and if the 2003 compiler were made to work with it, you would have a very compelling product. Of course Microsoft won't do this since they want you to use their latest pile o' crap--VS 2005 (which I am growing to truly loathe for C++ development.) Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Joe Woodbury wrote:
Incidentally, I do think that many of these issues could be easily resolved with the 6.0 codebase and if the 2003 compiler were made to work with it, you would have a very compelling product.
That's what I'm hoping. I'll try my hand at 2003 again, and see if I still cringe. This statement is false.
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That's wrong. At least it was. When I bought the student's license, you could sell software you wrote with it. I actually called Microsoft up and asked them about it, as I was doing side business when I went to university. They said "Sell as much as you want..." (but in Swedish ;P)
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I'd trust the EULA before I trusted some guy on the phone that probably barely knows what Visual C++ is. :laugh: Jeremy Falcon
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With few exceptions (for really high end products) transfering a software license is fully legal. Many of these products are extra stock that retailers find in warehouses, etc. If you are concerned, send an email to the seller. As Jeremy and I discussed, eBay tends to be buyer beware, but I've made a lot of legitimate purchases from there and have an overall very positive experience. Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Well, that's good news then. Just have to make sure they have the EULA intact. This statement is false.
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I'd trust the EULA before I trusted some guy on the phone that probably barely knows what Visual C++ is. :laugh: Jeremy Falcon
The EULA did not prohibit me to sell software compiled with it. That's why I called them to make sure. The EULA was the same as for the regular professional version + the piece of paper that came in the box. I did pay for it, so it wasn't a freebe or anything like that. Just a CD, no books. :)
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The EULA did not prohibit me to sell software compiled with it. That's why I called them to make sure. The EULA was the same as for the regular professional version + the piece of paper that came in the box. I did pay for it, so it wasn't a freebe or anything like that. Just a CD, no books. :)
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The EULA did not prohibit me to sell software compiled with it. That's why I called them to make sure. The EULA was the same as for the regular professional version + the piece of paper that came in the box. I did pay for it, so it wasn't a freebe or anything like that. Just a CD, no books. :)
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Just a CD, no books.
BTW, the retail box comes with a book and 3 CDs for VC++ and more for VS. If you didn't get that, then your's was altered. Maybe they gave you the wrong EULA, who knows. Jeremy Falcon
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Hmm, wait. The CD's I have says version 5.0. :-O I still swear by though that there were no commercial restrictions for that copy I bought. The amendment I got in the box basically only stated that I could only use the software if I am a student. Maybe things have happened since? I wish I had saved the license. :( Also worth pointing out, is that there were no such thing as MSDN back then. What I got was a CD for the pro versions of Visual C++, Basic and J#.
-- The Show That Watches Back
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Hmm, wait. The CD's I have says version 5.0. :-O I still swear by though that there were no commercial restrictions for that copy I bought. The amendment I got in the box basically only stated that I could only use the software if I am a student. Maybe things have happened since? I wish I had saved the license. :( Also worth pointing out, is that there were no such thing as MSDN back then. What I got was a CD for the pro versions of Visual C++, Basic and J#.
-- The Show That Watches Back
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Hmm, wait. The CD's I have says version 5.0.
It was no different for 5.0 either. In fact, back then VC++ flagged the EXEs it made with the Learning Editions, etc.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
I still swear by though that there were no commercial restrictions for that copy I bought
Perhaps you weren't sold the academic EULA then. Could've been a fault on the part of the place you bought it from. Most people don't know squat about it.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Also worth pointing out, is that there were no such thing as MSDN back then. What I got was a CD for the pro versions of Visual C++, Basic and J#.
Yes there was. I got MSDN Library CDs with both my 5.0 and 6.0 purchases. I didn't buy through a school though, it was through a store. Jeremy Falcon
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Just a CD, no books.
BTW, the retail box comes with a book and 3 CDs for VC++ and more for VS. If you didn't get that, then your's was altered. Maybe they gave you the wrong EULA, who knows. Jeremy Falcon
It wasn't a retail box. It was kind of like an OEM-version. Jewel CD cases, with only backside covers. No books, no nothing. The box was a brown cardboard box, suitable for mailing, which contained these 3 CDs only, and a piece of paper saying that I could only use the software if I was a student. I had to pay around 1500 SEK (close to $200) for the package.
-- Fun for the whole family - except grandma and grandpa
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It wasn't a retail box. It was kind of like an OEM-version. Jewel CD cases, with only backside covers. No books, no nothing. The box was a brown cardboard box, suitable for mailing, which contained these 3 CDs only, and a piece of paper saying that I could only use the software if I was a student. I had to pay around 1500 SEK (close to $200) for the package.
-- Fun for the whole family - except grandma and grandpa
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
It was kind of like an OEM-version.
You sure it wasn't the blackmarket version? :laugh: Jeremy Falcon
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Hmm, wait. The CD's I have says version 5.0.
It was no different for 5.0 either. In fact, back then VC++ flagged the EXEs it made with the Learning Editions, etc.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
I still swear by though that there were no commercial restrictions for that copy I bought
Perhaps you weren't sold the academic EULA then. Could've been a fault on the part of the place you bought it from. Most people don't know squat about it.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Also worth pointing out, is that there were no such thing as MSDN back then. What I got was a CD for the pro versions of Visual C++, Basic and J#.
Yes there was. I got MSDN Library CDs with both my 5.0 and 6.0 purchases. I didn't buy through a school though, it was through a store. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Perhaps you weren't sold the academic EULA then. Could've been a fault on the part of the place you bought it from. Most people don't know squat about it.
If I remember correctly, I ordered it directly from Microsoft. I know the return adress of the order confirmation was from Microsoft Sweden, and the box came from Microsoft Ireland (or was it UK? - it was one of those offside islands ;))
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I got MSDN Library CDs with both my 5.0 and 6.0 purchases.
Yes, the library was there, but not the licensing program as we know it today..? I.e. MSDN Universal, etc (well, wait, they've changed it again, haven't they?)
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
It was kind of like an OEM-version.
You sure it wasn't the blackmarket version? :laugh: Jeremy Falcon
Not unless they managed to spoof as Microsoft. :~
-- From the network that brought you "The Simpsons"
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Perhaps you weren't sold the academic EULA then. Could've been a fault on the part of the place you bought it from. Most people don't know squat about it.
If I remember correctly, I ordered it directly from Microsoft. I know the return adress of the order confirmation was from Microsoft Sweden, and the box came from Microsoft Ireland (or was it UK? - it was one of those offside islands ;))
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I got MSDN Library CDs with both my 5.0 and 6.0 purchases.
Yes, the library was there, but not the licensing program as we know it today..? I.e. MSDN Universal, etc (well, wait, they've changed it again, haven't they?)
-- No humans were probed in the making of this episode
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
If I remember correctly, I ordered it directly from Microsoft.
Beats me then.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
but not the licensing program as we know it today..
IIRC back in the day it was you either had a subscription or you didn't. None of this fancy multi-level stuff these kids get to choose from. Jeremy Falcon
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Not unless they managed to spoof as Microsoft. :~
-- From the network that brought you "The Simpsons"
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Not unless they managed to spoof as Microsoft.
BTW, how is your BIOS programming going? Jeremy Falcon
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Not unless they managed to spoof as Microsoft.
BTW, how is your BIOS programming going? Jeremy Falcon
BIOS? You mean OS? Well, I managed to get C++ up and running. Then I hacked up a console driver. And then I got bored. :-D It's a ton of work. :sigh: Especially so if I ever wanted to do something *serious* with it. Writing low level software for the PC, where the hardware is a moving target, must be a royal pain in the ass. Lucky me I my job is above kernel space.. :-D
-- From the network that brought you "The Simpsons"
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BIOS? You mean OS? Well, I managed to get C++ up and running. Then I hacked up a console driver. And then I got bored. :-D It's a ton of work. :sigh: Especially so if I ever wanted to do something *serious* with it. Writing low level software for the PC, where the hardware is a moving target, must be a royal pain in the ass. Lucky me I my job is above kernel space.. :-D
-- From the network that brought you "The Simpsons"
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
You mean OS?
Um, yeah that's it. :)
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Well, I managed to get C++ up and running. Then I hacked up a console driver.
That sounds cool. One day I'd like to play around with that stuff, but realistically it'll probably never happen I'm trying to be another OGL nerd.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Especially so if I ever wanted to do something *serious* with it.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Lucky me I my job is above kernel space..
I'll second that. Jeremy Falcon