VC++ 6.0 [modified]
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Just a CD, no books.
BTW, the retail box comes with a book and 3 CDs for VC++ and more for VS. If you didn't get that, then your's was altered. Maybe they gave you the wrong EULA, who knows. Jeremy Falcon
It wasn't a retail box. It was kind of like an OEM-version. Jewel CD cases, with only backside covers. No books, no nothing. The box was a brown cardboard box, suitable for mailing, which contained these 3 CDs only, and a piece of paper saying that I could only use the software if I was a student. I had to pay around 1500 SEK (close to $200) for the package.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Hmm, wait. The CD's I have says version 5.0.
It was no different for 5.0 either. In fact, back then VC++ flagged the EXEs it made with the Learning Editions, etc.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
I still swear by though that there were no commercial restrictions for that copy I bought
Perhaps you weren't sold the academic EULA then. Could've been a fault on the part of the place you bought it from. Most people don't know squat about it.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Also worth pointing out, is that there were no such thing as MSDN back then. What I got was a CD for the pro versions of Visual C++, Basic and J#.
Yes there was. I got MSDN Library CDs with both my 5.0 and 6.0 purchases. I didn't buy through a school though, it was through a store. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Perhaps you weren't sold the academic EULA then. Could've been a fault on the part of the place you bought it from. Most people don't know squat about it.
If I remember correctly, I ordered it directly from Microsoft. I know the return adress of the order confirmation was from Microsoft Sweden, and the box came from Microsoft Ireland (or was it UK? - it was one of those offside islands ;))
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I got MSDN Library CDs with both my 5.0 and 6.0 purchases.
Yes, the library was there, but not the licensing program as we know it today..? I.e. MSDN Universal, etc (well, wait, they've changed it again, haven't they?)
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It wasn't a retail box. It was kind of like an OEM-version. Jewel CD cases, with only backside covers. No books, no nothing. The box was a brown cardboard box, suitable for mailing, which contained these 3 CDs only, and a piece of paper saying that I could only use the software if I was a student. I had to pay around 1500 SEK (close to $200) for the package.
-- Fun for the whole family - except grandma and grandpa
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
It was kind of like an OEM-version.
You sure it wasn't the blackmarket version? :laugh: Jeremy Falcon
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
It was kind of like an OEM-version.
You sure it wasn't the blackmarket version? :laugh: Jeremy Falcon
Not unless they managed to spoof as Microsoft. :~
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Perhaps you weren't sold the academic EULA then. Could've been a fault on the part of the place you bought it from. Most people don't know squat about it.
If I remember correctly, I ordered it directly from Microsoft. I know the return adress of the order confirmation was from Microsoft Sweden, and the box came from Microsoft Ireland (or was it UK? - it was one of those offside islands ;))
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I got MSDN Library CDs with both my 5.0 and 6.0 purchases.
Yes, the library was there, but not the licensing program as we know it today..? I.e. MSDN Universal, etc (well, wait, they've changed it again, haven't they?)
-- No humans were probed in the making of this episode
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
If I remember correctly, I ordered it directly from Microsoft.
Beats me then.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
but not the licensing program as we know it today..
IIRC back in the day it was you either had a subscription or you didn't. None of this fancy multi-level stuff these kids get to choose from. Jeremy Falcon
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Not unless they managed to spoof as Microsoft. :~
-- From the network that brought you "The Simpsons"
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Not unless they managed to spoof as Microsoft.
BTW, how is your BIOS programming going? Jeremy Falcon
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Not unless they managed to spoof as Microsoft.
BTW, how is your BIOS programming going? Jeremy Falcon
BIOS? You mean OS? Well, I managed to get C++ up and running. Then I hacked up a console driver. And then I got bored. :-D It's a ton of work. :sigh: Especially so if I ever wanted to do something *serious* with it. Writing low level software for the PC, where the hardware is a moving target, must be a royal pain in the ass. Lucky me I my job is above kernel space.. :-D
-- From the network that brought you "The Simpsons"
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BIOS? You mean OS? Well, I managed to get C++ up and running. Then I hacked up a console driver. And then I got bored. :-D It's a ton of work. :sigh: Especially so if I ever wanted to do something *serious* with it. Writing low level software for the PC, where the hardware is a moving target, must be a royal pain in the ass. Lucky me I my job is above kernel space.. :-D
-- From the network that brought you "The Simpsons"
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
You mean OS?
Um, yeah that's it. :)
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Well, I managed to get C++ up and running. Then I hacked up a console driver.
That sounds cool. One day I'd like to play around with that stuff, but realistically it'll probably never happen I'm trying to be another OGL nerd.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Especially so if I ever wanted to do something *serious* with it.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Lucky me I my job is above kernel space..
I'll second that. Jeremy Falcon
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Does anyone know where I might be able to purchase a boxed licensed copy of VC++ 6.0? [edit] Does it still come with the msdn? [/edit] This statement is false. -- modified at 18:16 Wednesday 19th July, 2006
Honestly, you can have one of my personal copies along with the license. Send me an email if you want it. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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Honestly, you can have one of my personal copies along with the license. Send me an email if you want it. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
Just sent one off.. and truly thanks. This would be most appreciated. This statement is false.
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Does anyone know where I might be able to purchase a boxed licensed copy of VC++ 6.0? [edit] Does it still come with the msdn? [/edit] This statement is false. -- modified at 18:16 Wednesday 19th July, 2006
These guys[^] seem to still be selling it, although the price has certainly inflated a good bit...
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Chris S Kaiser wrote:
Does it still come with the msdn?
If you have MSDN subscription, you can download it from subscriber downloads. I downloaded VB6 a while back because someone threw away the CDs (at work) and I needed VB6 for a project. I saw that C++ was also available for download. I am not sure whether it is legal for any one to send the CDs to you? Otherwise you can always subscribe to MSDN and hope download it.;)
I just scanned thru the MSDN subscriber downloads and while VB6 was listed, VC6 was not...curious that you can still get VC 1.52 but not VC6... Steve
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In December, MS had to shop shipping all their products that included their Java VM. Among the more notable things pulled were Win 2K and VC 6. :((
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ah, that expains why I cound not find VC6 in the MSDN download lists
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Honestly, you can have one of my personal copies along with the license. Send me an email if you want it. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
Chris Austin wrote:
Honestly, you can have one of my personal copies along with the license.
You wouldnt by any chance have an extra license would you?LOL!! I work with MFC at office.Wanted to write a coupla freewares obviously i cant do that at work and impossible to do at home given the prohibitive price of the thing. So short of buying an illegit copy off the roads(possible in India.of course since i plan to put my name on it, just wondering how long before i start getting sued)looks like i'll have to shelve my plans:^)
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So why can't I swap out the compiler? Why do I need to get the whole IDE just for the compiler? I don't even use any extensions or the like, I turn them all off, as the library is cross platform. Linux/Windows. This is what's really frustrating about VS2005, and the jump from 2002 to 2003. This statement is false.
A decent editor (I like TextPad, but whatever), a knowledge of makefiles and a download of the Windows Debugging tools[^] and you've got a non-VS development environment. Helps to be comfortable with the command line, of course. Personally, I use VS21003 for C++ development and really like it - it's probably because a) I don't do much GUI development and/or b) I use the following add-ins to sweeten the whole IDE thang: Visual Assist[^] Comment Re-flower[^] Fast Solution Build[^] Solution Build Environment[^] (I liked this one so much I wrote something similar for VS6) WTL Helper[^] (when I *do* do GUIs, I tend to use WTL, not MFC). And as Christian said, the VS6 C++ compiler sucked big-time - I use a the Boost[^] libraries a lot - they compile so much quicker and with so many fewer problems that there's no comparison between VS6 and VS2003 for me.
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Chris S Kaiser wrote:
So why can't I swap out the compiler?
I didn't say you can't, I'm sure you can. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
The main problem would be that the PDB file format changed (IIRC), so the VS6 debugger wouldn't work with executables produced by VS2003...I think.
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Yeah, I work in VS2003, but this is for my personal stuff. I have a cross platform library that has some nifty stuff, so, nothing MS specific. Mostly I don't like how it forces me to conform to its notion of project management. I liked workspaces. I don't like solutions. That's probably the bulk of it. Just standard C++. So yeah, I'd like the conformancy, but I should be able to get that from the compiler alone. Where is the one great true toolset?!? As my momma used to say: wish in one hand and ..... in the other. See which one fills up faster. This statement is false.
Chris S Kaiser wrote:
I liked workspaces. I don't like solutions.
Aren't they the same apart from the name? That's how I've treated solutions and I've not got bitten.
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Chris S Kaiser wrote:
Does it still come with the msdn?
If you have MSDN subscription, you can download it from subscriber downloads. I downloaded VB6 a while back because someone threw away the CDs (at work) and I needed VB6 for a project. I saw that C++ was also available for download. I am not sure whether it is legal for any one to send the CDs to you? Otherwise you can always subscribe to MSDN and hope download it.;)
You can't any more because it contained Microsoft's Java VM, and therefore had to be removed under the terms of Microsoft's settlement with Sun. There was an announcement at the end of last year. Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
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So why can't I swap out the compiler? Why do I need to get the whole IDE just for the compiler? I don't even use any extensions or the like, I turn them all off, as the library is cross platform. Linux/Windows. This is what's really frustrating about VS2005, and the jump from 2002 to 2003. This statement is false.
Chris S Kaiser wrote:
So why can't I swap out the compiler? Why do I need to get the whole IDE just for the compiler? I don't even use any extensions or the like, I turn them all off, as the library is cross platform. Linux/Windows.
You can - but not in VS6. VS2002 onwards allow you to define custom language services - which can use whatever compiler you like - using the Visual Studio SDK. That's how the existing built in languages are integrated, as such as third party plug-ins such as Visual Fortran and Iron Python. Unfortunately the same is not true for VS6. The VS6 IDE is closely wedded to its compiler, and you would have to perform some pretty low level hacks to change that. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Chris S Kaiser wrote:
So why can't I swap out the compiler?
I didn't say you can't, I'm sure you can. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Not easily. With VS6 you'd need access to the compatible VSIP libraries, which when they were available would have cost you $50,000 per year for a minimum of 3 years. By contrast you can fairly easily add a new language server (and whatever compiler you like) to VS2002 onwards using the Visual Studio SDK. The IronPython sample illustrates how to do it. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
