Windows is stupid

Christian Graus

OK, so I have my new 64 bit dual core machine ( AMD 4400 + ). I installed XP 64 bit on it. Bad move. It's useless, even the DVD drive wouldn't work. So, I looked through my MSDN discs, and all I could find was Server 2003 Standard. So, I install that. No drivers for my video cards work here, either. So, I finally find an XP Pro CD, and install that. Now, the PC has rebooted to finish installation, but it won't boot, it shows the XP loading screen for a second, then goes black. Forever. And I still need to install Visual Studio ( 6 and 2005 ), Office, and all the other programs I rely on to get from day to day.

Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog

John M Drescher

Christian Graus wrote:

I installed XP 64 bit on it. Bad move. It's useless, even the DVD drive wouldn't work.

Did you download the chipset driver from nvidia, via or ati (depending on what chipset you have) ?

Christian Graus

To be honest, I am on a 10 kps line, I made several attempts to download them, then I called the people I bought it off and asked their advice, and they told me that 64 bit is a waste of time. What I had seen gelled with that diagnosis. I am about to reformat and reinstall XP.

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karthik Tamizhmathi

Microsoft guys never had forsee. They thought that America is the only country in the world. English is the only Language in the world. They are the only intelligent in the world. Now these things are totally failed.

Karthik M

ToddHileHoffer

It must be that they ran out of money.

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Monty2

Christian Graus wrote:

Windows is stupid

I see you have finally taken the red pill :-D

I don't think, therefore I am not. :~

Michael P Butler

karthikoncodeproject wrote:

They thought that America is the only country in the world. English is the only Language in the world.

Complete bollocks. Microsoft work harder than any big company I know to ensure their software works the same for every country in the world. They won't release products until they have localization for the main languages and countries.

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Chris Maunder

You remember that li'l laptop of mine? 64bit running 32bit XP. The next machine I get will be 32bit. :sigh:

cheers, Chris Maunder

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John M Drescher

I do admit that my experience with xp 64 bit is that there will be some problems. We have had a difficulty with odbc drivers, and activex controls that refuse to load and that in no way touches the problem that there is a lot of hardware (old and new) with no drivers at all. To aleviate some of these problems we have installed vmware and run 32 bit xp where needed.

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Christian Graus

Yeah, I remember. Remembering your problems (on a *notebook* where everything left the factory in the one box) was a major reason I gave up early. I've just pulled all graphics cards bar one from my box and am trying to see if it will boot XP 32 bit now. I've repaired it once, and no matter what I do, it simply will not boot, excepting in safe mode.

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V 0

not entirely true. Although they do take an effort, globalization is far from what it should be. Sure it's probably all possible, but not always in a clean and easy fashion.

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:jig:

Marc Clifton

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Christian Graus

Yeah, because if I was installing Linux, I could feel *smug* about not being able to find any drivers. It's years since I did any serious PC building, the problem turned out to be that XP 64 bit and Server 2003 can handle finding they have three video cards, XP needs you to pull two out and boot with an extra one each time until it's all set up and running fine.

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Marc Clifton

Christian Graus wrote:

I could feel *smug* about not being able to find any drivers.

:laugh: Well said.

Christian Graus wrote:

XP needs you to pull two out and boot with an extra one each time until it's all set up and running fine.

Now that's a useful piece of info. That's cool, you got it working! :jig: Marc

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hairy_hats

Michael P Butler wrote:

They won't release products until they have localization for the main languages and countries.

So where's the British English release then, with "colour", "favourites" etc?

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Christian Graus

Marc Clifton wrote:

Well said.

*grin*

Marc Clifton wrote:

That's cool, you got it working!

Yep, just installing the final wave of hardware ( wireless network card ) and closing the case, then I can start installing software on the new beast.

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realJSOP

While Christian was wrong about not being able to "find drivers", I'm not sure how Linux would handle a machine with such a non-standard (you know, something most of us wouldn't be doing) hardware configuration. It would e fun to try, but since this is a dev box of some sort, using Linux would be pointless. Christian, try removing all but one video card, and do a ground-up install of XP Pro. I don't think XP64 or Server2003 would be your best choices, again, given the hardware configuration you're after. After you get XP installed, add your other cards one at a time to the box.

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hairy_hats

Christian Graus wrote:

Yeah, because if I was installing Linux, I could feel *smug* about not being able to find any drivers.

Errmmm...yeah. Ubuntu 6.06 64-bit downloaded and installed all the drivers for my 64-bit system, and even got the 3D acceleration working, without any intervention. If only it supported Half Life 2.... ;-)

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Gary R Wheeler

Christian Graus wrote:

closing the case

Eek! That's like crossing the streams[^]! I don't do that on a fresh install until the thing's been running for a day or two.

Software Zen: delete this;

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Diagon Alley

That is not true, my friend. Windows has much better support for localisation and multiple languages than, say, Linux has. Everything is easily accessible to a programmer who wants to write a multilingual application. Believe me... I have worked on it. :-D

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