Windows is stupid

Chris Maunder

You remember that li'l laptop of mine? 64bit running 32bit XP. The next machine I get will be 32bit. :sigh:

cheers, Chris Maunder

John M Drescher

I do admit that my experience with xp 64 bit is that there will be some problems. We have had a difficulty with odbc drivers, and activex controls that refuse to load and that in no way touches the problem that there is a lot of hardware (old and new) with no drivers at all. To aleviate some of these problems we have installed vmware and run 32 bit xp where needed.

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Christian Graus

Yeah, I remember. Remembering your problems (on a *notebook* where everything left the factory in the one box) was a major reason I gave up early. I've just pulled all graphics cards bar one from my box and am trying to see if it will boot XP 32 bit now. I've repaired it once, and no matter what I do, it simply will not boot, excepting in safe mode.

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V 0

not entirely true. Although they do take an effort, globalization is far from what it should be. Sure it's probably all possible, but not always in a clean and easy fashion.

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Marc Clifton

Can you hear their laughter? marc

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Christian Graus

Yeah, because if I was installing Linux, I could feel *smug* about not being able to find any drivers. It's years since I did any serious PC building, the problem turned out to be that XP 64 bit and Server 2003 can handle finding they have three video cards, XP needs you to pull two out and boot with an extra one each time until it's all set up and running fine.

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Marc Clifton

Christian Graus wrote:

I could feel *smug* about not being able to find any drivers.

:laugh: Well said.

Christian Graus wrote:

XP needs you to pull two out and boot with an extra one each time until it's all set up and running fine.

Now that's a useful piece of info. That's cool, you got it working! :jig: Marc

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hairy_hats

Michael P Butler wrote:

They won't release products until they have localization for the main languages and countries.

So where's the British English release then, with "colour", "favourites" etc?

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Christian Graus

Marc Clifton wrote:

Well said.

*grin*

Marc Clifton wrote:

That's cool, you got it working!

Yep, just installing the final wave of hardware ( wireless network card ) and closing the case, then I can start installing software on the new beast.

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realJSOP

While Christian was wrong about not being able to "find drivers", I'm not sure how Linux would handle a machine with such a non-standard (you know, something most of us wouldn't be doing) hardware configuration. It would e fun to try, but since this is a dev box of some sort, using Linux would be pointless. Christian, try removing all but one video card, and do a ground-up install of XP Pro. I don't think XP64 or Server2003 would be your best choices, again, given the hardware configuration you're after. After you get XP installed, add your other cards one at a time to the box.

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hairy_hats

Christian Graus wrote:

Yeah, because if I was installing Linux, I could feel *smug* about not being able to find any drivers.

Errmmm...yeah. Ubuntu 6.06 64-bit downloaded and installed all the drivers for my 64-bit system, and even got the 3D acceleration working, without any intervention. If only it supported Half Life 2.... ;-)

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Gary R Wheeler

Christian Graus wrote:

closing the case

Eek! That's like crossing the streams[^]! I don't do that on a fresh install until the thing's been running for a day or two.

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Diagon Alley

That is not true, my friend. Windows has much better support for localisation and multiple languages than, say, Linux has. Everything is easily accessible to a programmer who wants to write a multilingual application. Believe me... I have worked on it. :-D

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

I feel your pain. :rose: We're about to go through the same experience - the machine (an Athlon x2 5000) is on order, and once it arrives (it should be pre-installed with XP Pro) the boot drive is being moved into a SATA caddy so we can play the multi-boot game with minimal risk. On top of that we've three new 320GB SATA disks ready - currently the plan is to use one for data, one for Vista and the other for Win2k3. :cool: We'll probably dabble with XP64 at some point, but most likely only inside a VM to see how well our software copes with it. We've not had any support queries regarding XP64 yet, so it's not a huge priority I suspect. As usual I'm not looking forward to installing all the dev tools though - to support our testing we'll need VS6, eVC4.0, VS2002, VS2003 and VS2005, although we use VS2003 for the vast majority of our work.

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Jerry Hammond

karthikoncodeproject wrote:

Microsoft guys never had forsee. They thought that America is the only country in the world. English is the only Language in the world. They are the only intelligent in the world. Now these things are totally failed.

Ok, hippie, drop the pipe and go hug a tree... -- modified at 10:02 Tuesday 1st August, 2006

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Vikram A Punathambekar

While I think Karthik was shooting off his mouth, your statement is at the other extreme. :) You have versions of Windows/Office for languages that spoken by only a few millions, but they have no* Indian language versions. Many of these languages have 50 million+ speakers. I do recall some news about a Hindi version of Windows, but I don't know if it came out. * Not that I care personally - I can't imagine using a Hindi, or even Marathi (my native tongue) version of Windows over an English version. :rolleyes:

š Cheers, Vikram.

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_Zorro_

I have windows x64 installed with Visual Studio 2005 IIS6 ASP.NET 2.0 with the x64 SDK AND Sql Server 2005 x64. The Problem: If you want to use Reporting Services for example, well, you have to install the x86 SDK, so, you'll have to install all the rest in x84 X| , because if you have the db in the same computer it will not work with x64 Sql and x86 Reporting Services & SDK..... So..... Big regrets, I spent like 800U$S, I should have bought a nice x86 PC... :doh: Anyway...

Mike Dimmick

The current plan seems to be to install the US English version of Windows, then install a Language Interface Pack for the language you're interested in. The localised version is fully translated while a LIP is approximately 80% translated (so they say). Microsoft don't seem to be adding that many new localised versions, but they are working on new LIPs. I subscribe to Michael Kaplan's blog[^]. He often posts when a new LIP is completed and available for download. See here[^] for his description of a LIP. To download a specific one, go to http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=0db2e8f9-79c4-4625-a07a-0cc1b341be7c&displaylang=en[^] and change the 'Language' drop-down to the one you want.

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Michael Dunn

That's the big problem with 64-bit on desktop machines - lack of drivers. It's great on servers that run with tons of memory and 64-bit server apps, but on normal work machines, not so much. When I got my Athlon laptop, I didn't even consider using a 64-bit OS on it.

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