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  • T Tom Archer

    Years ago a popular mechanism for determining the various roles of different people in the company and their impact or relationship to the product being developed was defined using CARD. C = Concerned (Interested, but no direct impact) A = Accountable (Basically this person is fired if it fails) R = Responsible (People that do the work) D = ??? (Can't remember, but probably the people impacted by the product) Does anyone remember this and can give me a link to it's formal definition? Also, I believe another similar acronym took its place a few years back, but I can't recall its name either.

    Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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    Marc Clifton
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    When did responsibility and accountability become separated? No wonder this model died a death so deep it can't be found googling. What you looking it up for? Is this for a new Vista team management model? ;P Marc

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    • T Tom Archer

      Years ago a popular mechanism for determining the various roles of different people in the company and their impact or relationship to the product being developed was defined using CARD. C = Concerned (Interested, but no direct impact) A = Accountable (Basically this person is fired if it fails) R = Responsible (People that do the work) D = ??? (Can't remember, but probably the people impacted by the product) Does anyone remember this and can give me a link to it's formal definition? Also, I believe another similar acronym took its place a few years back, but I can't recall its name either.

      Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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      Chris Meech
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      I think it stood for Dodo. You know, the users. ;P

      Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar]

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      • T Tom Archer

        Years ago a popular mechanism for determining the various roles of different people in the company and their impact or relationship to the product being developed was defined using CARD. C = Concerned (Interested, but no direct impact) A = Accountable (Basically this person is fired if it fails) R = Responsible (People that do the work) D = ??? (Can't remember, but probably the people impacted by the product) Does anyone remember this and can give me a link to it's formal definition? Also, I believe another similar acronym took its place a few years back, but I can't recall its name either.

        Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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        Chris Maunder
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        D = Deflector (Someone who deflects the responsibility and actual work onto others while taking credit for the final product)

        cheers, Chris Maunder

        CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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        • M Marc Clifton

          When did responsibility and accountability become separated? No wonder this model died a death so deep it can't be found googling. What you looking it up for? Is this for a new Vista team management model? ;P Marc

          XPressTier

          Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
          People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
          There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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          Rama Krishna Vavilala
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          Marc Clifton wrote:

          Is this for a new Vista team management model?

          I notice that you are being bad to Tom lately:) -- modified at 14:38 Tuesday 1st August, 2006


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            When did responsibility and accountability become separated? No wonder this model died a death so deep it can't be found googling. What you looking it up for? Is this for a new Vista team management model? ;P Marc

            XPressTier

            Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
            People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
            There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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            Tom Archer
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            Actually I disagree with that. Responsibility and accountability are veyr much different. For example, many people were responsible for the success of the Vista Dev Center - content strategy, site management, document, etc. However, there's only one person that "owns" it in terms of accountability - the ultimate decision maker - which was me. Therefore, it if failed, I would get fired.

            Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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            • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

              Marc Clifton wrote:

              Is this for a new Vista team management model?

              I notice that you are being bad to Tom lately:) -- modified at 14:38 Tuesday 1st August, 2006


              My Blog

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              Tom Archer
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              I don't take Marc too seriously. He just comes across a bit close-minded if someone has a different opinion than him - so in other words, he's more normal that he'd like to admit :)

              Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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              • T Tom Archer

                Years ago a popular mechanism for determining the various roles of different people in the company and their impact or relationship to the product being developed was defined using CARD. C = Concerned (Interested, but no direct impact) A = Accountable (Basically this person is fired if it fails) R = Responsible (People that do the work) D = ??? (Can't remember, but probably the people impacted by the product) Does anyone remember this and can give me a link to it's formal definition? Also, I believe another similar acronym took its place a few years back, but I can't recall its name either.

                Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                Wjousts
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                We use RACI R = Responsible A = Accountable C = Consulted (offers advice or opinions) I = Informed (kept in the loop) Might you D be some variation of our I?

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                • T Tom Archer

                  Years ago a popular mechanism for determining the various roles of different people in the company and their impact or relationship to the product being developed was defined using CARD. C = Concerned (Interested, but no direct impact) A = Accountable (Basically this person is fired if it fails) R = Responsible (People that do the work) D = ??? (Can't remember, but probably the people impacted by the product) Does anyone remember this and can give me a link to it's formal definition? Also, I believe another similar acronym took its place a few years back, but I can't recall its name either.

                  Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                  Lost User
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                  Is this what you are looking for, or is methodology too new ? http://www.enterprise-architecture.info/Images/Architecture%20Score%20Card/Architecture%20Score%20Card%20UK.htm[^]

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                  • C Chris Maunder

                    D = Deflector (Someone who deflects the responsibility and actual work onto others while taking credit for the final product)

                    cheers, Chris Maunder

                    CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                    Paul Conrad
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                    Chris Maunder wrote:

                    D = Deflector (Someone who deflects the responsibility and actual work onto others while taking credit for the final product)

                    :laugh: Have run across those types.


                    That's no moon, it's a space station. - Obi-wan Kenobi

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                    • T Tom Archer

                      I don't take Marc too seriously. He just comes across a bit close-minded if someone has a different opinion than him - so in other words, he's more normal that he'd like to admit :)

                      Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                      Josh Smith
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                      Tom Archer - MSFT wrote:

                      I don't take Marc too seriously. He just comes across a bit close-minded if someone has a different opinion than him - so in other words, he's more normal that he'd like to admit

                      Ouch! :laugh:

                      :josh: My WPF Blog[^]

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                        Tom Archer - MSFT wrote:

                        I don't take Marc too seriously. He just comes across a bit close-minded if someone has a different opinion than him - so in other words, he's more normal that he'd like to admit

                        Ouch! :laugh:

                        :josh: My WPF Blog[^]

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                        Marc Clifton
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                        Josh Smith wrote:

                        Ouch!

                        And you wonder why I don't like him. Actually, I have some other reasons. Marc

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                        • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                          Marc Clifton wrote:

                          Is this for a new Vista team management model?

                          I notice that you are being bad to Tom lately:) -- modified at 14:38 Tuesday 1st August, 2006


                          My Blog

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                          Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                          I notice that you are being bad to Tom lately

                          Well, he did get a lot of flack for that sig, which you will note, he did change. Marc

                          XPressTier

                          Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
                          People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                          There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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                            Actually I disagree with that. Responsibility and accountability are veyr much different. For example, many people were responsible for the success of the Vista Dev Center - content strategy, site management, document, etc. However, there's only one person that "owns" it in terms of accountability - the ultimate decision maker - which was me. Therefore, it if failed, I would get fired.

                            Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                            Tom Archer - MSFT wrote:

                            Responsibility and accountability are veyr much different.

                            I choose to be close-minded on that view. ;P Marc

                            XPressTier

                            Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
                            People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                            There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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                            • C Chris Maunder

                              D = Deflector (Someone who deflects the responsibility and actual work onto others while taking credit for the final product)

                              cheers, Chris Maunder

                              CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                              David Crow
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                              Chris Maunder wrote:

                              D = Deflector (Someone who deflects the responsibility and actual work onto others while taking credit for the final product)

                              a.k.a. delegator.


                              "Money talks. When my money starts to talk, I get a bill to shut it up." - Frank

                              "Judge not by the eye but by the heart." - Native American Proverb

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                              • T Tom Archer

                                Years ago a popular mechanism for determining the various roles of different people in the company and their impact or relationship to the product being developed was defined using CARD. C = Concerned (Interested, but no direct impact) A = Accountable (Basically this person is fired if it fails) R = Responsible (People that do the work) D = ??? (Can't remember, but probably the people impacted by the product) Does anyone remember this and can give me a link to it's formal definition? Also, I believe another similar acronym took its place a few years back, but I can't recall its name either.

                                Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                                Duncan Edwards Jones
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                                C = Corporate R = Rhetoric U = Updated D = Daily ;P

                                '--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd

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                                • C Chris Maunder

                                  D = Deflector (Someone who deflects the responsibility and actual work onto others while taking credit for the final product)

                                  cheers, Chris Maunder

                                  CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                                  :laugh: "Scotty, Deflectors up!" "Captain, I'm concerned that the person responsible for the dilithium crystals appears to be smoking them. I canna be held accountable for wha' happens if you keep them up too long..."

                                  Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com

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                                  • M Marc Clifton

                                    Josh Smith wrote:

                                    Ouch!

                                    And you wonder why I don't like him. Actually, I have some other reasons. Marc

                                    XPressTier

                                    Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
                                    People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                                    There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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                                    Tom Archer
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                                    Dude, you don't even know me - and are too closed-minded to even try so I'll return you to your life of alternating between bitching about those that judge you and judging others.

                                    Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                                      Is this what you are looking for, or is methodology too new ? http://www.enterprise-architecture.info/Images/Architecture%20Score%20Card/Architecture%20Score%20Card%20UK.htm[^]

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                                      Tom Archer
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                                      Thanks Richard!

                                      Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                                        We use RACI R = Responsible A = Accountable C = Consulted (offers advice or opinions) I = Informed (kept in the loop) Might you D be some variation of our I?

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                                        Tom Archer
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                                        Yeah, that's it :rolleyes: :) -- modified at 13:58 Thursday 3rd August, 2006

                                        Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                                        • M Marc Clifton

                                          Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                                          I notice that you are being bad to Tom lately

                                          Well, he did get a lot of flack for that sig, which you will note, he did change. Marc

                                          XPressTier

                                          Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
                                          People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                                          There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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                                          Tom Archer
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                                          Yep. I made a mistake, owned up to it as soon as someone drew my attention to it and fixed it immediately. I can definitely see where that makes me terrible :rolleyes:

                                          Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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