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  • T Tom Archer

    Years ago a popular mechanism for determining the various roles of different people in the company and their impact or relationship to the product being developed was defined using CARD. C = Concerned (Interested, but no direct impact) A = Accountable (Basically this person is fired if it fails) R = Responsible (People that do the work) D = ??? (Can't remember, but probably the people impacted by the product) Does anyone remember this and can give me a link to it's formal definition? Also, I believe another similar acronym took its place a few years back, but I can't recall its name either.

    Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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    Chris Maunder
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    D = Deflector (Someone who deflects the responsibility and actual work onto others while taking credit for the final product)

    cheers, Chris Maunder

    CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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      When did responsibility and accountability become separated? No wonder this model died a death so deep it can't be found googling. What you looking it up for? Is this for a new Vista team management model? ;P Marc

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      Rama Krishna Vavilala
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      Marc Clifton wrote:

      Is this for a new Vista team management model?

      I notice that you are being bad to Tom lately:) -- modified at 14:38 Tuesday 1st August, 2006


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        When did responsibility and accountability become separated? No wonder this model died a death so deep it can't be found googling. What you looking it up for? Is this for a new Vista team management model? ;P Marc

        XPressTier

        Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
        People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
        There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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        Tom Archer
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        Actually I disagree with that. Responsibility and accountability are veyr much different. For example, many people were responsible for the success of the Vista Dev Center - content strategy, site management, document, etc. However, there's only one person that "owns" it in terms of accountability - the ultimate decision maker - which was me. Therefore, it if failed, I would get fired.

        Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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          Marc Clifton wrote:

          Is this for a new Vista team management model?

          I notice that you are being bad to Tom lately:) -- modified at 14:38 Tuesday 1st August, 2006


          My Blog

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          I don't take Marc too seriously. He just comes across a bit close-minded if someone has a different opinion than him - so in other words, he's more normal that he'd like to admit :)

          Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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          • T Tom Archer

            Years ago a popular mechanism for determining the various roles of different people in the company and their impact or relationship to the product being developed was defined using CARD. C = Concerned (Interested, but no direct impact) A = Accountable (Basically this person is fired if it fails) R = Responsible (People that do the work) D = ??? (Can't remember, but probably the people impacted by the product) Does anyone remember this and can give me a link to it's formal definition? Also, I believe another similar acronym took its place a few years back, but I can't recall its name either.

            Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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            Lost User
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            Is this what you are looking for, or is methodology too new ? http://www.enterprise-architecture.info/Images/Architecture%20Score%20Card/Architecture%20Score%20Card%20UK.htm[^]

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            • T Tom Archer

              Years ago a popular mechanism for determining the various roles of different people in the company and their impact or relationship to the product being developed was defined using CARD. C = Concerned (Interested, but no direct impact) A = Accountable (Basically this person is fired if it fails) R = Responsible (People that do the work) D = ??? (Can't remember, but probably the people impacted by the product) Does anyone remember this and can give me a link to it's formal definition? Also, I believe another similar acronym took its place a few years back, but I can't recall its name either.

              Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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              Wjousts
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              We use RACI R = Responsible A = Accountable C = Consulted (offers advice or opinions) I = Informed (kept in the loop) Might you D be some variation of our I?

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                D = Deflector (Someone who deflects the responsibility and actual work onto others while taking credit for the final product)

                cheers, Chris Maunder

                CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                Paul Conrad
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                Chris Maunder wrote:

                D = Deflector (Someone who deflects the responsibility and actual work onto others while taking credit for the final product)

                :laugh: Have run across those types.


                That's no moon, it's a space station. - Obi-wan Kenobi

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                • T Tom Archer

                  I don't take Marc too seriously. He just comes across a bit close-minded if someone has a different opinion than him - so in other words, he's more normal that he'd like to admit :)

                  Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                  Josh Smith
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                  Tom Archer - MSFT wrote:

                  I don't take Marc too seriously. He just comes across a bit close-minded if someone has a different opinion than him - so in other words, he's more normal that he'd like to admit

                  Ouch! :laugh:

                  :josh: My WPF Blog[^]

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                    Tom Archer - MSFT wrote:

                    I don't take Marc too seriously. He just comes across a bit close-minded if someone has a different opinion than him - so in other words, he's more normal that he'd like to admit

                    Ouch! :laugh:

                    :josh: My WPF Blog[^]

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                    Josh Smith wrote:

                    Ouch!

                    And you wonder why I don't like him. Actually, I have some other reasons. Marc

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                    Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
                    People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                    There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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                    • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                      Marc Clifton wrote:

                      Is this for a new Vista team management model?

                      I notice that you are being bad to Tom lately:) -- modified at 14:38 Tuesday 1st August, 2006


                      My Blog

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                      Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                      I notice that you are being bad to Tom lately

                      Well, he did get a lot of flack for that sig, which you will note, he did change. Marc

                      XPressTier

                      Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
                      People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                      There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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                      • T Tom Archer

                        Actually I disagree with that. Responsibility and accountability are veyr much different. For example, many people were responsible for the success of the Vista Dev Center - content strategy, site management, document, etc. However, there's only one person that "owns" it in terms of accountability - the ultimate decision maker - which was me. Therefore, it if failed, I would get fired.

                        Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                        Marc Clifton
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                        Tom Archer - MSFT wrote:

                        Responsibility and accountability are veyr much different.

                        I choose to be close-minded on that view. ;P Marc

                        XPressTier

                        Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
                        People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                        There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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                        • C Chris Maunder

                          D = Deflector (Someone who deflects the responsibility and actual work onto others while taking credit for the final product)

                          cheers, Chris Maunder

                          CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                          David Crow
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                          Chris Maunder wrote:

                          D = Deflector (Someone who deflects the responsibility and actual work onto others while taking credit for the final product)

                          a.k.a. delegator.


                          "Money talks. When my money starts to talk, I get a bill to shut it up." - Frank

                          "Judge not by the eye but by the heart." - Native American Proverb

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                          • T Tom Archer

                            Years ago a popular mechanism for determining the various roles of different people in the company and their impact or relationship to the product being developed was defined using CARD. C = Concerned (Interested, but no direct impact) A = Accountable (Basically this person is fired if it fails) R = Responsible (People that do the work) D = ??? (Can't remember, but probably the people impacted by the product) Does anyone remember this and can give me a link to it's formal definition? Also, I believe another similar acronym took its place a few years back, but I can't recall its name either.

                            Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                            Duncan Edwards Jones
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                            C = Corporate R = Rhetoric U = Updated D = Daily ;P

                            '--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd

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                            • C Chris Maunder

                              D = Deflector (Someone who deflects the responsibility and actual work onto others while taking credit for the final product)

                              cheers, Chris Maunder

                              CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                              Christopher Duncan
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                              :laugh: "Scotty, Deflectors up!" "Captain, I'm concerned that the person responsible for the dilithium crystals appears to be smoking them. I canna be held accountable for wha' happens if you keep them up too long..."

                              Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com

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                              • M Marc Clifton

                                Josh Smith wrote:

                                Ouch!

                                And you wonder why I don't like him. Actually, I have some other reasons. Marc

                                XPressTier

                                Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
                                People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                                There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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                                Dude, you don't even know me - and are too closed-minded to even try so I'll return you to your life of alternating between bitching about those that judge you and judging others.

                                Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                                  Is this what you are looking for, or is methodology too new ? http://www.enterprise-architecture.info/Images/Architecture%20Score%20Card/Architecture%20Score%20Card%20UK.htm[^]

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                                  Tom Archer
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                                  Thanks Richard!

                                  Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                                    We use RACI R = Responsible A = Accountable C = Consulted (offers advice or opinions) I = Informed (kept in the loop) Might you D be some variation of our I?

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                                    Tom Archer
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                                    Yeah, that's it :rolleyes: :) -- modified at 13:58 Thursday 3rd August, 2006

                                    Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                                    • M Marc Clifton

                                      Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                                      I notice that you are being bad to Tom lately

                                      Well, he did get a lot of flack for that sig, which you will note, he did change. Marc

                                      XPressTier

                                      Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
                                      People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                                      There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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                                      Tom Archer
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                                      Yep. I made a mistake, owned up to it as soon as someone drew my attention to it and fixed it immediately. I can definitely see where that makes me terrible :rolleyes:

                                      Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                                      • T Tom Archer

                                        Dude, you don't even know me - and are too closed-minded to even try so I'll return you to your life of alternating between bitching about those that judge you and judging others.

                                        Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                                        Tom Archer - MSFT wrote:

                                        Dude, you don't even know me - and are too closed-minded to even try so I'll return you to your life of alternating between bitching about those that judge you and judging others.

                                        :-D Marc

                                        XPressTier

                                        Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
                                        People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                                        There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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