Islam - A Failed Religion. [modified]
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
And Is this yo who is just voting me down to 1.0 on each post of mine in current thread.Right now yo re active on this forum=)
I don't use the voting system. Sorry. By the way, are honour killings alot of work? I mean, do they require lots of advance planning? Can I find out about this in the Qu'ran? Where do I look? On a side note, do you get many virgin vouchers for participation in these events? I'm just trying to learn all aspects of your culture so I can be less of an infidel.
thealj wrote:
re honour killings alot of work?
:laugh::laugh: Make a search of this soapbox forum,many urls would comeup about honour killings in every religion and region(for isntance USA,India etc)
thealj wrote:
an infide
Does calling you an *Infidel* hurt you?:rolleyes: Why do you get piss if I cal yo u an Infidel?;)
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Mr.Prakash wrote:
you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims
:laugh: good one.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
but Muslim put their religion first and then nation.
Not entirely, their nations are just built on religion.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
No religion is failed, each (wo)man has the right to believe what (s)he wants. It are the people themselves that failed...
I've found a living worth working for, but I haven't found work worth living for. :beer:
:jig:V. wrote:
No religion is failed, each (wo)man has the right to believe what (s)he wants. It are the people themselves that failed...
It failed to make the belivers live peacefully with other religion. It failed to make the belivers from taking innocent lives.
-Prakash
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thealj wrote:
re honour killings alot of work?
:laugh::laugh: Make a search of this soapbox forum,many urls would comeup about honour killings in every religion and region(for isntance USA,India etc)
thealj wrote:
an infide
Does calling you an *Infidel* hurt you?:rolleyes: Why do you get piss if I cal yo u an Infidel?;)
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Make a search of this soapbox forum,many urls would comeup about honour killings in every religion and region(for isntance USA,India etc)
Oh, but Pakistan has perfected them! Many cases of honor killings have been reported in Pakistan [...] Critics argue that the practice is over-whelmingly associated with certain Muslim cultures and the peoples influenced by those cultures. See[^]!
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Does calling you an *Infidel* hurt you? Why do you get piss if I cal yo u an Infidel?
Not at all - sorry to disappoint you.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Make a search of this soapbox forum,many urls would comeup about honour killings in every religion and region(for isntance USA,India etc)
Oh, but Pakistan has perfected them! Many cases of honor killings have been reported in Pakistan [...] Critics argue that the practice is over-whelmingly associated with certain Muslim cultures and the peoples influenced by those cultures. See[^]!
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Does calling you an *Infidel* hurt you? Why do you get piss if I cal yo u an Infidel?
Not at all - sorry to disappoint you.
thealj wrote:
Oh, but Pakistan has perfected them!
But you were condemning Islam in previous post and associated honour killing with it?Stick to your words. noone deny asian countries ,specificually sub-continent has issues.in India 20m foetus were sold and it was reported in BBC.Someone like you would like to associate with Hindu or Sikh religion while it was all due to poverty. A humble request,make some study so that one can enjoy debating with you.Trolls cant be intresting for long.
thealj wrote:
Not at all - sorry to disappoint you.
Then why are you keep discussing it?Take your *infiden* status normal as aethist? according to (http://www.answers.com/infidel&r=67) # Offensive. An unbeliever with respect to a particular religion, especially Christianity or Islam. # One who has no religious beliefs. # One who doubts or rejects a particular doctrine, system, or principle. In this way i am an infidel of christianity and judaism or anyother religion except Islam. Calm down boy and concenrate on your studies.
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*You* as an invidual doesnt matter here,neither being discussed.We are talking about general trend.In this way i can also claim that I am a Pakistani first than a muslim but I will be stupid enough to present myself as an example.
digital man wrote:
On the other hand it does appear as if muslims are a group of people whose religion does transcend national loyalty and that is, in my view, dangerous.
Its your view only which I respect but far from reality.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
*You* as an invidual doesnt matter here,neither being discussed.We are talking about general trend.In this way i can also claim that I am a Pakistani first than a muslim but I will be stupid enough to present myself as an example.
Agreed: but every Jew I know (and I know a LOT) feels the same way inasmuch as levels of loyalty go. There are, as I said before, only one or two circumstances in which I would put Judaism above the country I and family were born and raised in and which provides very well for me and of which I am proud to be a part of. I am not looking to tear it apart from the inside out to conform to my world view.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Its your view only which I respect but far from reality.
The evidence would seem to say otherwise.
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V. wrote:
No religion is failed, each (wo)man has the right to believe what (s)he wants. It are the people themselves that failed...
It failed to make the belivers live peacefully with other religion. It failed to make the belivers from taking innocent lives.
-Prakash
Go back in your loo.You already lost the ground by making patheitc and baseless statments.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
*You* as an invidual doesnt matter here,neither being discussed.We are talking about general trend.In this way i can also claim that I am a Pakistani first than a muslim but I will be stupid enough to present myself as an example.
Agreed: but every Jew I know (and I know a LOT) feels the same way inasmuch as levels of loyalty go. There are, as I said before, only one or two circumstances in which I would put Judaism above the country I and family were born and raised in and which provides very well for me and of which I am proud to be a part of. I am not looking to tear it apart from the inside out to conform to my world view.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Its your view only which I respect but far from reality.
The evidence would seem to say otherwise.
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bookmarks You can ignore relatives but the neighbours live next doorDo you want to say that *ISRAEL* is less important for a jew Zion than a country where he resides?I am afraid you are wrong here.Every religion follower is tightly associated with his religion otherwise that religion is less worthy than other. There is compeition between followers of same religion.For instance there are muslims in Indian and England cricket team and recent defeat of Pakistan in cricket was due to a muslim and he was even a Pakistani whose family settled in UK long time back. So two things are entirely different.no follower would just ignore religion on any instance.
digital man wrote:
I am not looking to tear it apart from the inside out to conform to my world view.
so you want to comeup with theory that muslims living in non-muslim states cause disharmony in state?
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thealj wrote:
Oh, but Pakistan has perfected them!
But you were condemning Islam in previous post and associated honour killing with it?Stick to your words. noone deny asian countries ,specificually sub-continent has issues.in India 20m foetus were sold and it was reported in BBC.Someone like you would like to associate with Hindu or Sikh religion while it was all due to poverty. A humble request,make some study so that one can enjoy debating with you.Trolls cant be intresting for long.
thealj wrote:
Not at all - sorry to disappoint you.
Then why are you keep discussing it?Take your *infiden* status normal as aethist? according to (http://www.answers.com/infidel&r=67) # Offensive. An unbeliever with respect to a particular religion, especially Christianity or Islam. # One who has no religious beliefs. # One who doubts or rejects a particular doctrine, system, or principle. In this way i am an infidel of christianity and judaism or anyother religion except Islam. Calm down boy and concenrate on your studies.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
In this way i am an infidel of christianity and judaism or anyother religion except Islam.
Here's the thing, and I'll only say this once so understand it the first time: I see you as a human being, just like me, whether or not you believe in Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity or whatever else. I couldn't care less. In fact, despite all the sarcastic and meaningless back and forth on this message board, I think of you as an equal human being. I respect your views (despite the contents of my posts), I accept that you believe in your religion and I don't wish you harm, ill-will or anything else. I don't think less of you, I don't think more of you and I don't need to fucking label you with some inane and ridiculous term that is indicative of your beliefs. That's called tolerance and respect and I don't need religious views to live my life in that way. I'm even willing take back my jibes at your culture and religion and to tell you not to take them seriously if you stop trolling these message boards and proclaiming other people, cultures and religions as inferior to yours. That just makes you arrogant and annoying and that is why you receive the reactions that you do on here. This[^] illustrates my point regarding your feelings of superiority.
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Do you want to say that *ISRAEL* is less important for a jew Zion than a country where he resides?I am afraid you are wrong here.Every religion follower is tightly associated with his religion otherwise that religion is less worthy than other. There is compeition between followers of same religion.For instance there are muslims in Indian and England cricket team and recent defeat of Pakistan in cricket was due to a muslim and he was even a Pakistani whose family settled in UK long time back. So two things are entirely different.no follower would just ignore religion on any instance.
digital man wrote:
I am not looking to tear it apart from the inside out to conform to my world view.
so you want to comeup with theory that muslims living in non-muslim states cause disharmony in state?
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Do you want to say that *ISRAEL* is less important for a jew Zion than a country where he resides?I am afraid you are wrong here.Every religion follower is tightly associated with his religion otherwise that religion is less worthy than other.
Yup: I'm not a zionist and, apart from a really boring 2 weeks in Eilat have never been there nor had any desire to go there. I have an affinity to Israel but it's NOT my country: the UK is. I know that if there were trouble enough that I had to leave and there was nowhere else to go Israel would take me in and do it's utmost to protect me. You're also making the childish error of assuming that religion is the be-all-and-end-all. It is not. It's just the explanation of life you like best. To me it's mostly archaic nonsense dressed up as specious fantasy: stories to frighten children but that adults find tedious. (So flame me).
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
so you want to comeup with theory that muslims living in non-muslim states cause disharmony in state?
Oh, I don't know. Ooh: how about the murdering muslim bastards on July 7th last year? Come back when Islam has somethign other than violence to offer.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
In this way i am an infidel of christianity and judaism or anyother religion except Islam.
Here's the thing, and I'll only say this once so understand it the first time: I see you as a human being, just like me, whether or not you believe in Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity or whatever else. I couldn't care less. In fact, despite all the sarcastic and meaningless back and forth on this message board, I think of you as an equal human being. I respect your views (despite the contents of my posts), I accept that you believe in your religion and I don't wish you harm, ill-will or anything else. I don't think less of you, I don't think more of you and I don't need to fucking label you with some inane and ridiculous term that is indicative of your beliefs. That's called tolerance and respect and I don't need religious views to live my life in that way. I'm even willing take back my jibes at your culture and religion and to tell you not to take them seriously if you stop trolling these message boards and proclaiming other people, cultures and religions as inferior to yours. That just makes you arrogant and annoying and that is why you receive the reactions that you do on here. This[^] illustrates my point regarding your feelings of superiority.
now you started making some sense but i find you an hypocrite since in few very latest post you once again came out of your underwear(if you wear any). Whatever the _good_Words_ you used to praise yourself.I dont see you actually act upon it thus in my sight yo are a liar and a hypocrite but I know you dont give a damn what I think about so whatever i say goes in vein.
thealj wrote:
This[^] illustrates my point regarding your feelings of superiority.
Nope you were just shown the mirror and you started crying?You were constantly offending my religion which is more important for me than anything else even my parents?Wht you felt was not different I felt after reciving your lunatic response.I tried to be nice withyou for several time but respect didnt suit you and therefore I used the similar tone which you were using for me so no need to start frowning. there are many here who disagree with me,I would take name of Josh of Australia who dont have good terms with me and do talk crap about meand my religion but I never found him as a troll,atleast not with me.Therefore I have a bit respect for him even I know one day he might talk crap again Same goes with CG.He has blind belief in his religion like me on Islam and Judah Hamingo on Judaism but despite of infinite differences i love to talk them and NONE of them misbehaved with me personally though I got rude with these two therefore i like these guys a bit now. you belong to whatever cult,i dont give a damn but your character showed your belonging.Enough for me not to respect you.For me CG and JH would be more respectable than Farhan Noor or A.A if both muslims offend me and my family. Hope you would learn something from now on.
thealj wrote:
That just makes you arrogant and annoying and that is why you receive the reactions that you do on here.
It doesn't.The only mistake of me that I am a muslim thats it.my attitude dont count here and i dont give a damn wht such loonies thinks about me.
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Go and make study of OT,NT and Koran then come to make statment of religins which you never heard in your life.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Go and make study of OT,NT and Koran then come to make statment of religins
I dont have to study anything, it's for everyone to see. Whatever Islam teaches, it has gone to the dogs.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
which you never heard in your life.
hahaha, your arrogance makes me laugh.
-Prakash
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Go and make study of OT,NT and Koran then come to make statment of religins
I dont have to study anything, it's for everyone to see. Whatever Islam teaches, it has gone to the dogs.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
which you never heard in your life.
hahaha, your arrogance makes me laugh.
-Prakash
Mr.Prakash wrote:
I dont have to study anything,
thats call ignorance.Thtswhy you cant be taken seriously by others.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
your arrogance makes me laugh
Thankyou but your post made your fellows shame that such idiot element possesses among them.
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If Islam as it is believed that every word was spoken by Allah and latter written down by (illiterate) Mohammad, Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live? yeah yeah you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims. Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do. No religion is perfect, In the past Christian were also involved in such acts, but now Christians are know for peace loving people. I have few Muslim friends in India, and most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion, but Muslim put their religion first and then nation. Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens. The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion. -- modified at 3:46 Friday 11th August, 2006
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
you have really transformed to a moron espeir/pumpkinHead.I feel sory for you thealJ
:laugh: Since when did you have respect for an infidel? What, now I'm supposed to imagine you thought positively of me? Your actions on this message board have amply demonstrated otherwise. No, to you I am and always have been an infidel. Yes, you are that transparent. But seriously, help me with the question on "Brown's motion". I know you know all about it.
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QuickDeveloper wrote:
The World war 2 started with anarchists killing a Duke
WWI happened because when someone was assassinated, the generals in various countries leap at the excuse for war. WWII happened because Hitler took advantage of the German people being downtrodden by the excessive post war demands when they lost WWI. That's one reason why the US saw the Marshall Plan as a central platform for peace.
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Christian Graus wrote:
the generals in various countries leap at the excuse for war
so did the civil leaders In my view, WW2 happened because of WW1. WW2 is just a continuation, a 'second half'.
Christian Graus wrote:
being downtrodden by the excessive post war demands
I don't bite that. Rise of Nazism was favorized by the economic crisis in Germany, consequence of the economic crisis in the US and the consequent halt of US investments. People voted for Hitler to get a job, not to get Dantzig back. Also, would have Allies invaded Germany at the end of WW1 would have Germans felt the weight of the defeat and avoided the 'stab-in-the-back' legend.
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Christian Graus wrote:
The Bible actually says that anyone who places anything before God is 'not worthy of the Kingdom'. Perhaps the real difference is that Muslims just tend to follow their religion more often than 'christians' do ?
Putting nation before religion means that have the tolerance for other religion and cultures in the nation and Islam too preaches tolerance but I think they never understood that.
-Prakash
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Islam too preaches tolerance but I think they never understood that.
Then you just contradicted yourself. You just said that the religion is not to blame, but those abusing it for their gain, which is what most everyone here is trying to explain to you. And that, is true in every religion or group of people that belong to a certain ideology.
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this is the 2nd time i gave you 5.But wht happened to Dean Jones?
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Josh Gray wrote:
I know a lot of Muslim people that are very harmonious and proud to be Australians.
When push comes to shove 'tribes' stick together. This is true of all tribes, not just Islam. National identity is just one of the tribes to which you can belong and you may find that you are attached to many different tribes as you go through life and that your loyalties to each of these tribes is tested by your loyalty to another. Trbies include immediate family, extended family, work colleagues (may change the most), religious, sporting, city, state, etc, etc. Some of these will appear frivolous to others but are active because they mean something to the individual. Problems arise when you (by whatever influence) make choices between tribes each of which may have an order of precedence in your life. One of those might be choosing to place your work tribe above your family tribe (the reason here is not important) or your religious tribal affiliation above your nationalistic one. These are not easy choices to make but everyone makes them. I think the point that Mr Prakash is trying to make is that Islam *appears* to transcend all other tribal affiliations to the outside observer. This is partly, but not wholly, evidenced by the fervour with which, for instance, a large proportion of UK born muslims place being a muslim above being British. I make no claim here as to whether this is right or wrong: I'll leave that for another debate; rather that is just what it is: people make choices all the time about which tribes they belong to and the order of importance and precedence they attach to each and, therefore, this can dictate the actions that they take in support of each of those tribal affiliations.
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When push comes to shove 'tribes' stick together. This is true of all tribes, not just Islam. National identity is just one of the tribes to which you can belong and you may find that you are attached to many different tribes as you go through life and that your loyalties to each of these tribes is tested by your loyalty to another. Trbies include immediate family, extended family, work colleagues (may change the most), religious, sporting, city, state, etc, etc. Some of these will appear frivolous to others but are active because they mean something to the individual.
Cant argue with that. Problems arise when every one of the tribes that comrpise your life are made up exculsivly of muslims or christians or gays or aboriginals etc while others are activly excluded. This is when people seem to loose perspective and tend toward extreamism.
digital man wrote:
I think the point that Mr Prakash is trying to make is that Islam *appears* to transcend all other tribal affiliations to the outside observer.
Well that is very hard to judge from the outside. I suspect many muslims beleive that every single person in the west is a devout Christian or Jew intent on their destruction. Personally I am none of those.
digital man wrote:
This is partly, but not wholly, evidenced by the fervour with which, for instance, a large proportion of UK born muslims place being a muslim above being British.
I have family in England but have not spent much time there so I cant really comment. Is this partly the result of Muslims clustering together and being able to largely ignore others hence creating the situation I described above?
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Mr.Prakash wrote:
Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live?
Ask this question from a Christian first who believes in Christianity which came into being after death of Moses(AS).Islam is way new religion than other branches of Abrahamic faith.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
No religion is perfect
it conflicts your previous statment.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
In the past Christian were also involved in such act
no such friggin idea about 600-700 years old christians history but at that time they would also have reasons that they would have been opressed like happening with muslims today.There was no CP forum at that time otherwise one would be making similar post for Christians.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslim put their religion first and then nation.
It doesnt matter at all neither its harmful.Ask a jew/zionist,he would be more inclined towards Torah than USA or anyother country where he resides. Fact is many muslims helped a lot to built your economy and your thankless hindu nation always gave them nothing but shit.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslim don’t belong to any nation
that's your ignorance and offocurse lack of knowledge.Muslims infact belive in concept of Ummah.any muslim who is in Pakistan or in USA,An american muslim is not superior than Pakistani because of his nationility.Inshort racial element doesnt exist in Islam unlike other religions on earth.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
*clap clap* on your _facts_.Dont yo wonder this _Failed_ religion is still being propagated a lot on earth even after drama attempt of 9/11 and others?:rolleyes:
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
been opressed like happening with muslims today
Aww poor little raghead. Go beat your wife again, i bet it will help you feel better.
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Terrorism isn't limited to a particular religion To quote a few examples 1)The World war 2 started with anarchists killing a Duke 2)The Red Brigade Army in Italy 70's 3)Baader-Meinhof Gang in Germany in 70's 4)Red Army Faction in Japan 5)LTTE in Srilanka 6)Maoists in Nepal,India These are some of the examples I am not here to defend any particular Religion but these examples make me think that Terrorism exists in any country due to some insane fanatics..which in turns cripples the economy. -- modified at 3:44 Friday 11th August, 2006
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