Game programming: XNA
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Something is gonna have to happen because of this I'd think.
Yep, agreed. It'll be interesting what Sony and Nintendo will offer to simplify the complexity of most modern games, assuming they won't use CLR. :) Sony + Java? We can only pray that evil alliance will never happen. ;)
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Judah Himango wrote:
Sony + Java? We can only pray that evil alliance will never happen.
:omg:
Jeremy Falcon
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Any thoughts on the XNA project[^] announced yesterday? Basically, it's Visual Studio tools + CLR + Managed DirectX package, allowing one to build games for the Xbox360 and Windows faster and cheaper. MS has partnered with GarageGames, which just announced they've ported their Torque game engine (used in titles like Tribes II, Marble Blast) to C# and the XNA framework. XNA also includes some new tools for streamlining art and assets management, which is always a problem with game development where you've got hundreds of MB if not a few GB worth of art and assets. IMO, this is an excellent idea, as game development has become increasingly complex over the years, to the point where it takes big teams and big dollars to produce decent games, even casual games. And opening up the Xbox 360 to independent devs is a bold move by MS; up til now, console makers have historically charged $15k-50k for their proprietary development kits, basically removing all but the folks with big dollars behind them. Interesting move. It basically makes the Xbox360 another platform for developers at large, especially small dev shops or indie devs, to build games. :cool: The XNA package will be released August 30th.
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It's actually mixed news since you can't sell a product for XBox 360 produced with the $99 product. (You can apparently sell it for Windows, though.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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It's actually mixed news since you can't sell a product for XBox 360 produced with the $99 product. (You can apparently sell it for Windows, though.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Joe Woodbury wrote:
It's actually mixed news since you can't sell a product for XBox 360 produced with the $99 product.
:laugh: Well, that's a let down.
Jeremy Falcon
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It's actually mixed news since you can't sell a product for XBox 360 produced with the $99 product. (You can apparently sell it for Windows, though.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
I assume you could still distribute the XNA games as freeware for the Xbox though?
Jeremy Falcon
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It's actually mixed news since you can't sell a product for XBox 360 produced with the $99 product. (You can apparently sell it for Windows, though.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Yeah, not initally. They'll be releasing the XNA Studio Professional eventually, where you'll be able to sell games made with that on the XBox360. Still, even then the Xbox360 deployment scenario sucks. They'll need to improve on that before this catches on big, IMO.
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I assume you could still distribute the XNA games as freeware for the Xbox though?
Jeremy Falcon
Yes.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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I assume you could still distribute the XNA games as freeware for the Xbox though?
Jeremy Falcon
Yeah, but the deployment scenario sucks from what I understand. And even then, you have to be subscribed to the $99/year creators group... obviously they'll need to make things right here before this is picked up.
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Any thoughts on the XNA project[^] announced yesterday? Basically, it's Visual Studio tools + CLR + Managed DirectX package, allowing one to build games for the Xbox360 and Windows faster and cheaper. MS has partnered with GarageGames, which just announced they've ported their Torque game engine (used in titles like Tribes II, Marble Blast) to C# and the XNA framework. XNA also includes some new tools for streamlining art and assets management, which is always a problem with game development where you've got hundreds of MB if not a few GB worth of art and assets. IMO, this is an excellent idea, as game development has become increasingly complex over the years, to the point where it takes big teams and big dollars to produce decent games, even casual games. And opening up the Xbox 360 to independent devs is a bold move by MS; up til now, console makers have historically charged $15k-50k for their proprietary development kits, basically removing all but the folks with big dollars behind them. Interesting move. It basically makes the Xbox360 another platform for developers at large, especially small dev shops or indie devs, to build games. :cool: The XNA package will be released August 30th.
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Another technology with an 'X' in it. "too much XML", by the sound of it.
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Another technology with an 'X' in it. "too much XML", by the sound of it.
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
Tree in C# || Fold With Us! || sighistI think in this case it is a mashup of XBox and DNA :)
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eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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I think in this case it is a mashup of XBox and DNA :)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Ah well.. I could grump on and say "Too much 'X', then", but I just got fresh hot tea, and the rain kind of stopped. :)
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Any thoughts on the XNA project[^] announced yesterday? Basically, it's Visual Studio tools + CLR + Managed DirectX package, allowing one to build games for the Xbox360 and Windows faster and cheaper. MS has partnered with GarageGames, which just announced they've ported their Torque game engine (used in titles like Tribes II, Marble Blast) to C# and the XNA framework. XNA also includes some new tools for streamlining art and assets management, which is always a problem with game development where you've got hundreds of MB if not a few GB worth of art and assets. IMO, this is an excellent idea, as game development has become increasingly complex over the years, to the point where it takes big teams and big dollars to produce decent games, even casual games. And opening up the Xbox 360 to independent devs is a bold move by MS; up til now, console makers have historically charged $15k-50k for their proprietary development kits, basically removing all but the folks with big dollars behind them. Interesting move. It basically makes the Xbox360 another platform for developers at large, especially small dev shops or indie devs, to build games. :cool: The XNA package will be released August 30th.
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Makes me slightly more interested in the xbox 360 (which has been a little ho hum and i'm waiting to compare the ps3 and wii offerings), but it might be an opportunity to play with some C# code for possible inclusion with our normal development environment (healthcare), or rather, an excuse for some fun R&D :) things like real-time mapping of facilities (think infection control, tracking bug outbreaks) using an existing engine in a .net managed environment. As always, will depend on the license. Worth a look though.
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Any thoughts on the XNA project[^] announced yesterday? Basically, it's Visual Studio tools + CLR + Managed DirectX package, allowing one to build games for the Xbox360 and Windows faster and cheaper. MS has partnered with GarageGames, which just announced they've ported their Torque game engine (used in titles like Tribes II, Marble Blast) to C# and the XNA framework. XNA also includes some new tools for streamlining art and assets management, which is always a problem with game development where you've got hundreds of MB if not a few GB worth of art and assets. IMO, this is an excellent idea, as game development has become increasingly complex over the years, to the point where it takes big teams and big dollars to produce decent games, even casual games. And opening up the Xbox 360 to independent devs is a bold move by MS; up til now, console makers have historically charged $15k-50k for their proprietary development kits, basically removing all but the folks with big dollars behind them. Interesting move. It basically makes the Xbox360 another platform for developers at large, especially small dev shops or indie devs, to build games. :cool: The XNA package will be released August 30th.
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This is great news!
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Any thoughts on the XNA project[^] announced yesterday? Basically, it's Visual Studio tools + CLR + Managed DirectX package, allowing one to build games for the Xbox360 and Windows faster and cheaper. MS has partnered with GarageGames, which just announced they've ported their Torque game engine (used in titles like Tribes II, Marble Blast) to C# and the XNA framework. XNA also includes some new tools for streamlining art and assets management, which is always a problem with game development where you've got hundreds of MB if not a few GB worth of art and assets. IMO, this is an excellent idea, as game development has become increasingly complex over the years, to the point where it takes big teams and big dollars to produce decent games, even casual games. And opening up the Xbox 360 to independent devs is a bold move by MS; up til now, console makers have historically charged $15k-50k for their proprietary development kits, basically removing all but the folks with big dollars behind them. Interesting move. It basically makes the Xbox360 another platform for developers at large, especially small dev shops or indie devs, to build games. :cool: The XNA package will be released August 30th.
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Hrm, I doubt microsoft is going to let anyone release anything they want. Remeber all executables on the X360 are encrypted and have to be signed in order to run and microsoft is the only one who can sign them. It will allow smaller development studios to be able to develop for the x360, but don't expect a plethora of "Free" software/games for your xbox since microsoft still has to approve what gets released. -djenkins
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Any thoughts on the XNA project[^] announced yesterday? Basically, it's Visual Studio tools + CLR + Managed DirectX package, allowing one to build games for the Xbox360 and Windows faster and cheaper. MS has partnered with GarageGames, which just announced they've ported their Torque game engine (used in titles like Tribes II, Marble Blast) to C# and the XNA framework. XNA also includes some new tools for streamlining art and assets management, which is always a problem with game development where you've got hundreds of MB if not a few GB worth of art and assets. IMO, this is an excellent idea, as game development has become increasingly complex over the years, to the point where it takes big teams and big dollars to produce decent games, even casual games. And opening up the Xbox 360 to independent devs is a bold move by MS; up til now, console makers have historically charged $15k-50k for their proprietary development kits, basically removing all but the folks with big dollars behind them. Interesting move. It basically makes the Xbox360 another platform for developers at large, especially small dev shops or indie devs, to build games. :cool: The XNA package will be released August 30th.
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Reports also state that the price would be around $100.00 per year! to get started. A little steep for the hobbyist developer.
Programit wrote:
$100.00 per year! to get started. A little steep for the hobbyist developer.
lol what? $100/year is too steep for a hobbyist? That's < $10 a month. About 1 trip to McDonalds/month. 2 trips to the gas station. If you can't afford that, you're not a hobbyist, you're a starving hobo. :)
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Something is gonna have to happen because of this I'd think.
Yep, agreed. It'll be interesting what Sony and Nintendo will offer to simplify the complexity of most modern games, assuming they won't use CLR. :) Sony + Java? We can only pray that evil alliance will never happen. ;)
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Let's be serious! There is no way you can make a decent performing game in Java. I use Java for my research and the head aches lately have been endless.
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Let's be serious! There is no way you can make a decent performing game in Java. I use Java for my research and the head aches lately have been endless.
I would agree. Like I said, I can only hope there won't be a Sony + Java. Who knows, though. Maybe those crazy performing Cell processors will run Java content fine. ;p
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Yeah, I agree! It is just too much work and expense to put out a retail game nowadays. I use to follow the industry a bit, but when they switched to teams over over 100 developers just to produce a single game, I lost interest. Would really be cool to have on online area where MS sells your games for you on both PC and XBox and pays you royalties. I personally would rather see more games at a drastically reduced price (under $5 each) which can be downloaded and played.
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Rocky Moore wrote:
I personally would rather see more games at a drastically reduced price (under $5 each)
CodeMasters in the UK started by selling games for the ZX Spectrum and Commadore 64 for 1.99 GBP. Loo where they are now. OK, there 1.99 games where crappy but affordable and everyone with a Speccy or C64 purchase titles from their range. Steve Jowett
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Rocky Moore wrote:
I personally would rather see more games at a drastically reduced price (under $5 each) which can be downloaded and played.
Ditto. Heck, I might even buy some games again; haven't bought one in many months simply because I can't afford to shell out $50-60 every few weeks. The inital way of sharing XBox360 games made with XNA is crap, though. All sorts of little things must be in place for someone else to play your game. From what I've read, this will change in the next year when the XNA Studio Pro is released (August 30th will release XNA Studio Express beta). I think they'll need to improve deployment for the XBox360 before this really catches fire, but it's definitely a start. My bet is we'll see Sony follow suit with a "indie games" SDK or something some time next year.
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Judah Himango wrote:
I think they'll need to improve deployment for the XBox360 before this really catches fire
Can you imagine how fast the xbox would grow if they had the distribution abilty to allow everyone to create and sell games via their online service. Just click on a game you want to play and boom, it downloads and installs. Would also make a great service where you pay so much a month and are allowed to play all general titles and game developers make part of that monthly fee based on how much you played their game. My game playing is still on classic games such as UT99 (I think that was when Unlreal Tournament came out) and Quake 3 (my current fav to get my mind off of work). However, my wife plays all those java type games that are out there which you can play within the browser or dowload and play on your machine. She has only purchased one game in the last couple of years due to their high cost ($20 or so)and just plays the demos. If they had a monthly membeship fee to play any of them, she would be hooked! ;)
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Rocky Moore wrote:
I personally would rather see more games at a drastically reduced price (under $5 each)
CodeMasters in the UK started by selling games for the ZX Spectrum and Commadore 64 for 1.99 GBP. Loo where they are now. OK, there 1.99 games where crappy but affordable and everyone with a Speccy or C64 purchase titles from their range. Steve Jowett
Picture this, millions of xbox and pc owners who play games often. Simple $0.99 game purchased by 2 million people... Okay, that would have to be a pretty decent game, lets try that again.. Simple 2d game, frogger, donkey kong, pac-man, etc.. Takes a month to build and record decent audio tracks. Now, you get 300,000 people to buy it for $0.99 and split the revenue with MS for providing distribution. You have now made $150K in one month. Shoot, only get 30K people to buy it and you are still earning top salary as a developer.. Some games might seem junky, but there are a lot of people who play simple (those easy to create) games, my wife loves them :)
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