Vista pricing leaked (all prices in US dollars)
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
I do think Apple could come up with a half-way method, like licensing their hardware security to select companies.
They tried this some years ago. The problem was that the hardware division was more profitable than the OS div (IIRC the OS was actaully a loss leader). Once it was seen that the clones were eating into apple's marketshare they killed the program.
Yeah, I remember those days. Some of the cloners were making better hardware at a fraction of the cost (though some were making crap.) Their desktop market is doing poorly (their recent sales increases were in MacBooks) so I could see them farming that out to Dell or HP. I do NOT see them licensing the security hardware for laptop use though.
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That is not true, I see all the usual computer stores selling OEM Windows. Like tigerdirect.com and so on. The main difference between OEM and Retail Windows is call in support and stuff.
static int Sqrt(int x) { if (x<0) throw new ArgumentOutOfRangeException(); int temp, y=0, b=0x8000, bshft=15, v=x; do { if (v>=(temp=(y<<1)+b<>=1)>0); return y; :omg:
Henize wrote:
That is not true, I see all the usual computer stores selling OEM Windows. Like tigerdirect.com and so on. The main difference between OEM and Retail Windows is call in support and stuff.
MS can't enforce it easily, but technically those sales are breaking the licensing agreement. YOu've also got places like newegg.com that will suggest buying a $1 4pin molex Y splitter to meet the hardware requirement.
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That is not true, I see all the usual computer stores selling OEM Windows. Like tigerdirect.com and so on. The main difference between OEM and Retail Windows is call in support and stuff.
static int Sqrt(int x) { if (x<0) throw new ArgumentOutOfRangeException(); int temp, y=0, b=0x8000, bshft=15, v=x; do { if (v>=(temp=(y<<1)+b<>=1)>0); return y; :omg:
Henize wrote:
That is not true
Well, read it for yourself at the link I provided. I'd say if the Microsoft License Agreement says it's so, then it is true. I checked tigerdirect and you're right - they are selling them the way you say. Maybe they have lots of older stock or maybe they are just blatently violating the license agreement. Who knows. Cheers, Drew.
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System: ASRock 939Dual Sata2 motherboard with 2.10 BIOS AMD64X2 4200(not overclocked) 2GB Patriot PC3200 RAM (not overclocked) eVGA 7900GTX (not the overclocked one, and not overclocked by me) (brand new) hda=new Seagate 200gb EIDE (brand new) hdb=80gb Western Digital EIDE sda=SATA1 160gb Western Digital sdb=SATA2 160gb Western Digital cda=LITE-ON CD/DVD writer (brand new) keyboard and mouse are PS/2 19-inch LCD monitor with native resolution of 1280x1024. I'm using the onboard NIC. I'm using the onboard sound. SATA channels are setup as IDE. USB Legacy support is disabled. I've tried Ubuntu 6.06 (32-bit and 64-bit, including the alternate install CD, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu), Fedora Core 5, Debian, Suse 10.x, Gentoo, Knoppix, and PC Linux, and Mandriva 7 beta. I've checked each ISO before burning at different speeds to different brands of media. While my hardware is all new, I don't have anything in the box that jumps out and says "driver problem". The various live CD's (if the distro had one) boot up just fine, and even see my onboard NIC and sound devices. Fedora Core is the only distro that actually completed the install process, but it freezes during the boot process. I've changed the motherboard to a brand new copy of the same board. I've tried different versions of the BIOS from 1.5 all the way up to 2.1. I've tried THREE different CPUs (two single-core and one dual core). I've tried removing all but one stick of RAM. I've tried removing (well, disconnecting anyway) all other hard drives except the one I'm trying to install to. I've tried installing to FOUR different hard drives. Yes, the machine can run memtest all day long without any errors. Everyone I've asked (and I've posted on pretty much every Linux forum I thought would be helpful) says something like "Wow, that shouldn't be happening." I've had people suggest that I put a less-capable video card in the box. Well, that's where I draw the line - I shouldn't have to remove or disable ANY hardware to get an OS to install. Besides, if the Live CD boots up fine, that tells me the distro can handle the video card. Not a single distro refused to display. As you can see, I've tried a number of things, and nothing has worked - at all. I figure I've been more than patient about the whole things, and I have made what could be described as heroic efforts to get Linux installed on this box. It simply will NOT install, and nobody can tell me why... This is my first negative experience installin
we have pretty near the same system, at least as far as "general" specs go. I have dual onboard network, nForce4 motherboard, MSI based. I have a 7800GT rather than yours, but the nVidia drivers should be identicle for them once the nVidia card is recognized. I have Kingston memory chips, also 2 gigs worth, and a 4600 X2. All my hard drives are SATA, but one CDRW and one DVD+-RW are on the SATA IDE lines. I am running five hard-drives, all are recognized by Linux including the two that were Windows XP based. My 150gig Raptor is still XP as my primary boot. My 74Gig is currently Vista, but will soon be reformated back to Linux. My 37gig Raptor I pulled yesterday to give away to someone at work, has run Mepis 3.x (several versions), Redhat 4, Redhat 5, Ubuntu 6. I am planning on putting on a copy of Mepis 6 to replace Vista, based on Ubuntu 6, but has additional disks for other software to optionally load (and I will). We can trade specs, but it sounds like ASRock did something non-standard, which is where Linux does have problems. For instance some companies will make sound cards which are nothing but A to D converters and use the CPU to actually create the sound, meaning the drivers are doing more than "interfacing" they are actually producing the sound at a load on the CPU. Those type of drivers do not exist for Linux. I have seen companies do this for ethernet, sound, and various I/O devices. I have always had rapid and easy installs, Mepis has always been the easiest to use since it is designed to look "windows-like" to ease the transition. This is my 3rd state of the art motherboard to load Linux on, although now it is no longer state-of-the-art, I loaded Mepis and Redhat on the day I got it. I had four boots, Mepis, Redhat 4 (then), Windows XP 64, and Windows XP. I had no problem with any of the boots. The two Linux boots have been wiped and reloaded several times to try different versions, or for compatibility for work (Redhat disk). The other Linux is my play disk, see what is there, play with different flavors of Linux. I can't tell you what should or should not happen, I am certainly no Linux Guru. But from the day I bought this machine, I loaded Linux on it as well as Windows XP. I've had more problems with XP than with Linux. The biggest problem I have with Linux is there is just not enough stuff for it, and Wine still doesn't do enough to help (yet).
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Vista Home Basic - $233 Vista Home Premium - $269 ($180 for upgrade) Vista Business - $341 Vista Ultimate (has Media Center tools, Aero 3D GUI, and extra security technology) - $449 ($270 for upgrade) Are they out of their fucking minds?.
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Is it an acciedental or 'wanted' leak of information?? Why should a site prepare for pricing information when the OS is still in pre-RC stage. I guess MS wanted to check the price-reaction at this rate. So that they can tage the pricing accordingly!!!!
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OEM or Retail?
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Phew! If it's so expensive, noone wants to upgrade, so I don't have to test on Vista :cool:
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noone wants to upgrad
Yeah, I know your were joking, but the fact is all of us developers will be right in the middle of Vista since it will be shipped on almost every new computer. We all will be stuck making sure that our software works all versions. What a pain!!!!
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Do you have a link for this? Was this from Microsoft iteself, or just someone guessing? It's kind of hard to believe they are going to be charging that much.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Do you have a link for this? Was this from Microsoft iteself, or just someone guessing?
Look it up on Amazon, they are taking pre-orders...
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Do you really care about the price?
Well, I get my copy as part of the MSDN sub, but I was thinking more from a general perspective.
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I get my copy as part of the MSDN sub
Actually, that is licensed just for development correct? You could not say, play a game on it unless you were researching for game development. Nor could you right a love story to publish as it is not covered under the license. The licenses to the MSDN packages have been so misunderstood (I know I did not understand them). In 1999 I was working at a place with 25 developers on staff and they had three MSDN subscriptions as they believed each covered 10 developers. Then in 2000-2003 I worked at a place that had one subscritpion for us five developers and two office staff people (MS Office and OS's). I think most people now understand how limited the license is, but I am sure there are still some that have no clue..
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Is it an acciedental or 'wanted' leak of information?? Why should a site prepare for pricing information when the OS is still in pre-RC stage. I guess MS wanted to check the price-reaction at this rate. So that they can tage the pricing accordingly!!!!
"He that is good with a hammer tends to think everything is a nail."
- Abraham MaslowS P S wrote:
Is it an acciedental or 'wanted' leak of information??
Amazon.com pricing :)
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: ASP.NET HttpException - Cannot use leading "..".. Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft Zune to be built by Toshiba
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I get my copy as part of the MSDN sub
Actually, that is licensed just for development correct? You could not say, play a game on it unless you were researching for game development. Nor could you right a love story to publish as it is not covered under the license. The licenses to the MSDN packages have been so misunderstood (I know I did not understand them). In 1999 I was working at a place with 25 developers on staff and they had three MSDN subscriptions as they believed each covered 10 developers. Then in 2000-2003 I worked at a place that had one subscritpion for us five developers and two office staff people (MS Office and OS's). I think most people now understand how limited the license is, but I am sure there are still some that have no clue..
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Rocky Moore wrote:
Actually, that is licensed just for development correct? You could not say, play a game on it unless you were researching for game development. Nor could you right a love story to publish as it is not covered under the license.
Yep, the OSes are provided for development purposes. But I don't think there's a restriction on checking email on your dev-laptop - even if it's personal email, or using Office. Not sure of installing and playing games though.
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What would Rammstein pay?
They would command Microsoft to bend over. :rolleyes: :-D
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