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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: If I am a US citizen and living in say Chile I can ignore US law No, if you read my post completely, I said that if two laws contradict and you (as a US citizen) decide to go against the US law you should renounce to your US citizenship or face potential consecuences. So I think you misread my post ;) BTW, I am expressing my opinion, not any US law (at least that I am aware of)
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Jason Gerard wrote: But, it is now an international entity and should be governed by an international organization. So what you are saying is that any time the rest of the world starts to use something we create, we then have to live by the rules they create? I'm sorry but that is not how our country works. I'm not saying that we should be able to enforce our laws onto a .uk or .au domain, and I don't think that anyone in the US has tried this. There is no way in hell I would ever want to be told what to do by some 'international organization' on any subject. Do you really want the UN or the EU to start making laws that affect your life? The federal government already has too much power as it is, most matters should be delt with by the states. It is a sad day to see Americans so ready to take their rights and throw them to some globalized government to do with as they please. -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
Jack Handy wrote: So what you are saying is that any time the rest of the world starts to use something we create, we then have to live by the rules they create? Ok, education time!. What is the internet?, a bunch of interconnected servers that hosts data travelling from one end-point to another. I think it is impossible to say who actually came up with this idea first, but the implementation as we know it was, as everyone knows, initialized by DARPA. But NOONE owns the Internet as an entity, this happened when the remains of the DARPA project started to allow independant networks to hook on the 'Internet' as equal nodes. Jack Handy wrote: Do you really want the UN or the EU to start making laws that affect your life? What makes you think that everyone else wants the US to make laws that affect their lives?. Jan "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!"
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The trouble with freedom is that it usually ends up being exploited as "freedom to do evil". Here in Canada we had a case of a man who was caught with pornographic stories he had written on his computer depicting kidnap, and graphic sexual torture of children. He was acquitted on the grounds that his work had "inherent artistic merit", and that he had freedom to write whatever he wanted to in the privacy of his own home. I'm all for freedom, but where do you draw the line? What happens if this same guy really does kidnap and sexually torture a young boy? Would that be consider "performance art" by the liberals of society? Once again the protection of the rights of criminals has outweighed the protection of society. :mad: Anyway, just another frustrated kevnar rant. Why not throw away a dime? I throw away ten pennies all the time.
I think the implementation of your opinions would criminalize quite a lot of the productions of Hollywood, every author of crime and horror stories, cartoon artists and just about every single newspaper reporting criminal stuff. Jan "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!"
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Jason Gerard wrote: Yes, but this means that an Adult website ran out of Europe or somewhere else would be in violation of U.S. law if it registered a .com domain whereas anywhere else in the world it would be perfectly legal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't America own/run/manage whatever you wanna say, .com .net and .org? I could be wrong on this, but even if I am, you guys should quit bitching about America trying to put laws on the internet and thank it for creating the thing in the first place. -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
I could be wrong on this, but even if I am, you guys should quit bitching about America trying to put laws on the internet and thank it for creating the thing in the first place. And Americans wonder why people in the rest of the world have a problem with them. Seriously, if you can read that statement and not think of the arrogance that has gone into it. I mean everyone who had anything to do with the construction of computers, networks and all software must, of course, be American. My god man. Geez. Have fun, Paul Westcott.
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I think the implementation of your opinions would criminalize quite a lot of the productions of Hollywood, every author of crime and horror stories, cartoon artists and just about every single newspaper reporting criminal stuff. Jan "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!"
Yeah that's what the liberal types said about this case when it was big news. "If we punish him we'll have to punish everyone." My original point was about "the freedom to be evil" and where this freedom will take us. Whether it's news reporting, crime fiction, or whatever. Glorifying and sensationalizing the worst elements of society can not lead to any good in the long run. I'm sure those out there who have had their children kidnapped and sexually tortured feel different about this issue than any of us. Why not throw away a dime? I throw away ten pennies all the time.
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I think that you should have freedom to do whatever you choose as long as you're not restricting the freedom of others. Kidnapping and torturing would be restricting the freedom of another, but writing pornographic stories would not. Kevin
I don't believe people should have the freedom to be depraved sickos in the privacy of their own homes any more than I believe people should be free to walk around with bombs strapped to their bodies under the privacy of their own jackets. You believe whatever you want. I have children to worry about. Why not throw away a dime? I throw away ten pennies all the time.
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Ummm.... huh? I read the link and didn't see anything that pertains to non-US sites. Did I miss something??
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Jack Handy wrote: So what you are saying is that any time the rest of the world starts to use something we create, we then have to live by the rules they create? Ok, education time!. What is the internet?, a bunch of interconnected servers that hosts data travelling from one end-point to another. I think it is impossible to say who actually came up with this idea first, but the implementation as we know it was, as everyone knows, initialized by DARPA. But NOONE owns the Internet as an entity, this happened when the remains of the DARPA project started to allow independant networks to hook on the 'Internet' as equal nodes. Jack Handy wrote: Do you really want the UN or the EU to start making laws that affect your life? What makes you think that everyone else wants the US to make laws that affect their lives?. Jan "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!"
jan larsen wrote: Ok, education time!. ... But NOONE owns the Internet as an entity, this happened when the remains of the DARPA project started to allow independant networks to hook on the 'Internet' as equal nodes. Maybe you need an education to understand what I said. I didn't say we (America) OWN the internet.. I said we CREATED it. Furthermore we DO own the .com/net/org root servers and this is where the conversation started. Try reading all of the posts next time. jan larsen wrote: What makes you think that everyone else wants the US to make laws that affect their lives?. You are either ignorant, trying to take my post out of context, or just skimmed it. I quote from my post:
I'm not saying that we should be able to enforce our laws onto a .uk or .au domain, and I don't think that anyone in the US has tried this.
-Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
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I could be wrong on this, but even if I am, you guys should quit bitching about America trying to put laws on the internet and thank it for creating the thing in the first place. And Americans wonder why people in the rest of the world have a problem with them. Seriously, if you can read that statement and not think of the arrogance that has gone into it. I mean everyone who had anything to do with the construction of computers, networks and all software must, of course, be American. My god man. Geez. Have fun, Paul Westcott.
Paul Westcott wrote: I mean everyone who had anything to do with the construction of computers, networks and all software must, of course, be American. My god man. Geez. That would be like saying you guys didn't invent the boomarang (if you did) because you didn't invent wood. -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.