Speeding driver blames lack of goats!
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I think it also would cause cops to look for rich people. If you're speeding in an old clunker, they may not waste the time. It can very easily be interpreted as class envy.
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Apurva Kaushal wrote:
Hope Bill Gates will not be caught for breaking something in Finland.
that's the point of the fine - if the fines were a flat $100 for everyone, they would be completely pointless to people with huge incomes. if you fine me $0.01 every time i break the speed limit, i'll speed all day. fine me $1000, i'll be a bit more careful. fine me 14 days salary and i'll be the safest driver on the road.
Besides being very communist, that wouldn't work well anyway as most wealthy people do not have income registered in a traditional way. If I lived out there and had $200 million, I would offshore my money and report income in another country so that if I were ever fined, it wouldn't cost me $770,000.
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I think it also would cause cops to look for rich people. If you're speeding in an old clunker, they may not waste the time. It can very easily be interpreted as class envy.
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Dustin Metzgar wrote:
I think it also would cause cops to look for rich people.
good point
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Besides being very communist, that wouldn't work well anyway as most wealthy people do not have income registered in a traditional way. If I lived out there and had $200 million, I would offshore my money and report income in another country so that if I were ever fined, it wouldn't cost me $770,000.
"I make up quotes." -Vincent Reynolds
espeir wrote:
Besides being very communist
i suggest you look up what "communist" means.
espeir wrote:
hat wouldn't work well anyway as most wealthy people do not have income registered in a traditional way
i don't know the specifics of Finland's taxation and income reporting laws, so i'm not comfortable commenting on how rich people manage their money in that country.
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The perp was pulled doing 100mph in a 60mph zone in Ontario, but explained that his need for speed was provoked by a simple lack of goats which in his native land regularly wander the roads acting as caprine velocity moderators.[^] Anyone from Switzerland care to comment?
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The story is clearly made up. Everyone in Ontario knows you won't get pulled over for doing 160 in a 100 zone ;)
cheers, Chris Maunder
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espeir wrote:
Besides being very communist
i suggest you look up what "communist" means.
espeir wrote:
hat wouldn't work well anyway as most wealthy people do not have income registered in a traditional way
i don't know the specifics of Finland's taxation and income reporting laws, so i'm not comfortable commenting on how rich people manage their money in that country.
Chris Losinger wrote:
i suggest you look up what "communist" means.
I know what it means and the term fits.
"I make up quotes." -Vincent Reynolds
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Chris Losinger wrote:
i suggest you look up what "communist" means.
I know what it means and the term fits.
"I make up quotes." -Vincent Reynolds
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The story is clearly made up. Everyone in Ontario knows you won't get pulled over for doing 160 in a 100 zone ;)
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
doing 160 in a 100 zone
You say that like it's a bad thing... ;P Warren (also in Toronto)
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The perp was pulled doing 100mph in a 60mph zone in Ontario, but explained that his need for speed was provoked by a simple lack of goats which in his native land regularly wander the roads acting as caprine velocity moderators.[^] Anyone from Switzerland care to comment?
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Think that would work for me? "I am sorry officer, but I had to speed. I was frightened by the lack of rattlesnakes, cattle, and vultures and was just trying to get back to friendly territory."
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Think that would work for me? "I am sorry officer, but I had to speed. I was frightened by the lack of rattlesnakes, cattle, and vultures and was just trying to get back to friendly territory."
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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That seems to be logical, but how can you define such a law which is different for different section of the people. Such as if you are committing any crime say murder then the punishment should be same for everyone isn't it?
Best Regards, Apurva Kaushal
Apurva Kaushal wrote:
then the punishment should be same for everyone isn't it?
I think he is pointing out that the punishment is the same, but I will provide a couple of examples. Last year a company was found to be employing illegal aliens, their average profit over the years of employing nearly slave labor was about 10 million. They were fined 150,000.00 they appologized, moved to Texas and got caught again. As long as the fine never "hurts" the fine is simply considered a "cost of doing business". Most of the people where I work make enough to cover speeding fines, though some make it a habit of fighting everything even if they were speeding, but most of the time they simply consider a $100 fine twice a year a cost of doing business and accept it. It isn't painful at all, some even keep a bit more in savings in case they get caught a few more times. It comes down to what the "fine" is supposed to do. Is it supposed to punish the offender or simply record the offense? If it is simply a record of the offense, then everyone gets the same $ fine and those who make more money simply count it as a cost of doing business and forget it. If the intent is the punish for the offense to prevent reoccurance, then the punishment must be fine must be noticeable. As long as the fine is able to be "written off" as neglegable then the offense will be repeated.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Chris Losinger wrote:
i suggest you look up what "communist" means.
I know what it means and the term fits.
"I make up quotes." -Vincent Reynolds
Who is more likely to promote tougher punishments on crimes and misdemeanors? A leftist or a conservative?
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The perp was pulled doing 100mph in a 60mph zone in Ontario, but explained that his need for speed was provoked by a simple lack of goats which in his native land regularly wander the roads acting as caprine velocity moderators.[^] Anyone from Switzerland care to comment?
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Anyone from Switzerland care to comment?
I'm not from Switzerland, but I'd still like to comment: There is no excuse for speeding. Ever.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Apurva Kaushal wrote:
Hope Bill Gates will not be caught for breaking something in Finland.
that's the point of the fine - if the fines were a flat $100 for everyone, they would be completely pointless to people with huge incomes. if you fine me $0.01 every time i break the speed limit, i'll speed all day. fine me $1000, i'll be a bit more careful. fine me 14 days salary and i'll be the safest driver on the road.
Chris Losinger wrote:
if fine me $0.01 every time i break the speed limit, i'll speed all day. fine me $1000, i'll be a bit more careful. fine me 14 days salary and i'll be the safest driver on the road.
Why should there be there any difference? The law is the law. Stick to it. Personally, I'd like to see much more severe penalties, ie. You lose your car and your license permanently if you speed - and that's for a first offence. Subsequent offenses should be much more severe. You know, something that actually deters people.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Chris Losinger wrote:
if fine me $0.01 every time i break the speed limit, i'll speed all day. fine me $1000, i'll be a bit more careful. fine me 14 days salary and i'll be the safest driver on the road.
Why should there be there any difference? The law is the law. Stick to it. Personally, I'd like to see much more severe penalties, ie. You lose your car and your license permanently if you speed - and that's for a first offence. Subsequent offenses should be much more severe. You know, something that actually deters people.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
I too agree with you that the law should be same for all the people. But What Chris was saying also makes so much sense as if you putting a fine of 100 bucks to a rich people it is nothing for them they will not be afraid of doing that again. But again what makes sense is that the fine will be 10days of your income in this way both purpose will be solved as it is equal to and effective too. :)
Best Regards, Apurva Kaushal
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Chris Losinger wrote:
if fine me $0.01 every time i break the speed limit, i'll speed all day. fine me $1000, i'll be a bit more careful. fine me 14 days salary and i'll be the safest driver on the road.
Why should there be there any difference? The law is the law. Stick to it. Personally, I'd like to see much more severe penalties, ie. You lose your car and your license permanently if you speed - and that's for a first offence. Subsequent offenses should be much more severe. You know, something that actually deters people.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Ryan Binns wrote:
The law is the law
a law is only as strong as its followers want it to be
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Ryan Binns wrote:
The law is the law
a law is only as strong as its followers want it to be
Chris Losinger wrote:
a law is only as strong as its followers want it to be
Rubbish. When you get your drivers licence, you are given permission to drive subject to certain conditions - the law. You have no right to overstep those boundaries for any reason. Driving is a privilege, not a right, and must be done within the law, or else you lose the privilege.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Chris Losinger wrote:
a law is only as strong as its followers want it to be
Rubbish. When you get your drivers licence, you are given permission to drive subject to certain conditions - the law. You have no right to overstep those boundaries for any reason. Driving is a privilege, not a right, and must be done within the law, or else you lose the privilege.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Ryan Binns wrote:
Rubbish
you completely miss what i'm saying. i'm not talking about driving laws specifically, i'm talking about your statement that "the law is the law". the simple fact is: no law enforces itself. if people don't want to obey a law, they won't, regardless of how many times you stamp your foot and say "the law is the law".
Ryan Binns wrote:
You have no right to overstep those boundaries for any reason.
driving the speed limit on many roads is simply dangerous because everybody else goes 10 or 15 mph faster. since there is no chance that i'm going to convince everyone else to drive the posted speed limit, if i have to drive those roads, my only realistic option is to drive at a speed that doesn't doesn't pose a risk to the other people on the road - speed limits by damned.
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Ryan Binns wrote:
Rubbish
you completely miss what i'm saying. i'm not talking about driving laws specifically, i'm talking about your statement that "the law is the law". the simple fact is: no law enforces itself. if people don't want to obey a law, they won't, regardless of how many times you stamp your foot and say "the law is the law".
Ryan Binns wrote:
You have no right to overstep those boundaries for any reason.
driving the speed limit on many roads is simply dangerous because everybody else goes 10 or 15 mph faster. since there is no chance that i'm going to convince everyone else to drive the posted speed limit, if i have to drive those roads, my only realistic option is to drive at a speed that doesn't doesn't pose a risk to the other people on the road - speed limits by damned.
Chris Losinger wrote:
you completely miss what i'm saying. i'm not talking about driving laws specifically
Perhaps I'm missing something, but wasn't this whole thread about driving? Besides, that doesn't change anything. What I said applies to any law. You have no right to break them ever. Oh BTW, I'm not talking about you specifically here... :)
Chris Losinger wrote:
since there is no chance that i'm going to convince everyone else to drive the posted speed limit
You're not responsible for everyone else's behaviour, only your own. No matter what other people do, you still have to do the right thing. Anyway, it's getting late and I'm going to bed. Neither of us is going to win this. I don't really care what other people do; I know I'm doing the right thing. I love seeing people get booked for a traffic offense. It seriously makes me really, really happy. I hate driving because the roads are filled with idiots who don't obey the law. And people who say that everyone else does it so I have to too are no better than those who do it in the first place. It's a false justification at best.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Chris Losinger wrote:
you completely miss what i'm saying. i'm not talking about driving laws specifically
Perhaps I'm missing something, but wasn't this whole thread about driving? Besides, that doesn't change anything. What I said applies to any law. You have no right to break them ever. Oh BTW, I'm not talking about you specifically here... :)
Chris Losinger wrote:
since there is no chance that i'm going to convince everyone else to drive the posted speed limit
You're not responsible for everyone else's behaviour, only your own. No matter what other people do, you still have to do the right thing. Anyway, it's getting late and I'm going to bed. Neither of us is going to win this. I don't really care what other people do; I know I'm doing the right thing. I love seeing people get booked for a traffic offense. It seriously makes me really, really happy. I hate driving because the roads are filled with idiots who don't obey the law. And people who say that everyone else does it so I have to too are no better than those who do it in the first place. It's a false justification at best.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Ryan Binns wrote:
No matter what other people do, you still have to do the right thing.
the right thing in that case would be keeping yourself alive and not putting others in danger. you don't set an example, going 15mph slower than everyone else, you create a hazard, whatever your intentions are. that's not to say i condone reckless speeding, of course. i'm just pointing out that part of being a safe driver is not forcing others to react to unexpected situations.
Ryan Binns wrote:
It's a false justification at best.
idealism is great, on paper.