Speeding driver blames lack of goats!
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Apurva Kaushal wrote:
Hope Bill Gates will not be caught for breaking something in Finland.
that's the point of the fine - if the fines were a flat $100 for everyone, they would be completely pointless to people with huge incomes. if you fine me $0.01 every time i break the speed limit, i'll speed all day. fine me $1000, i'll be a bit more careful. fine me 14 days salary and i'll be the safest driver on the road.
Chris Losinger wrote:
if fine me $0.01 every time i break the speed limit, i'll speed all day. fine me $1000, i'll be a bit more careful. fine me 14 days salary and i'll be the safest driver on the road.
Why should there be there any difference? The law is the law. Stick to it. Personally, I'd like to see much more severe penalties, ie. You lose your car and your license permanently if you speed - and that's for a first offence. Subsequent offenses should be much more severe. You know, something that actually deters people.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Chris Losinger wrote:
if fine me $0.01 every time i break the speed limit, i'll speed all day. fine me $1000, i'll be a bit more careful. fine me 14 days salary and i'll be the safest driver on the road.
Why should there be there any difference? The law is the law. Stick to it. Personally, I'd like to see much more severe penalties, ie. You lose your car and your license permanently if you speed - and that's for a first offence. Subsequent offenses should be much more severe. You know, something that actually deters people.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
I too agree with you that the law should be same for all the people. But What Chris was saying also makes so much sense as if you putting a fine of 100 bucks to a rich people it is nothing for them they will not be afraid of doing that again. But again what makes sense is that the fine will be 10days of your income in this way both purpose will be solved as it is equal to and effective too. :)
Best Regards, Apurva Kaushal
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Chris Losinger wrote:
if fine me $0.01 every time i break the speed limit, i'll speed all day. fine me $1000, i'll be a bit more careful. fine me 14 days salary and i'll be the safest driver on the road.
Why should there be there any difference? The law is the law. Stick to it. Personally, I'd like to see much more severe penalties, ie. You lose your car and your license permanently if you speed - and that's for a first offence. Subsequent offenses should be much more severe. You know, something that actually deters people.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Ryan Binns wrote:
The law is the law
a law is only as strong as its followers want it to be
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Ryan Binns wrote:
The law is the law
a law is only as strong as its followers want it to be
Chris Losinger wrote:
a law is only as strong as its followers want it to be
Rubbish. When you get your drivers licence, you are given permission to drive subject to certain conditions - the law. You have no right to overstep those boundaries for any reason. Driving is a privilege, not a right, and must be done within the law, or else you lose the privilege.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Chris Losinger wrote:
a law is only as strong as its followers want it to be
Rubbish. When you get your drivers licence, you are given permission to drive subject to certain conditions - the law. You have no right to overstep those boundaries for any reason. Driving is a privilege, not a right, and must be done within the law, or else you lose the privilege.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Ryan Binns wrote:
Rubbish
you completely miss what i'm saying. i'm not talking about driving laws specifically, i'm talking about your statement that "the law is the law". the simple fact is: no law enforces itself. if people don't want to obey a law, they won't, regardless of how many times you stamp your foot and say "the law is the law".
Ryan Binns wrote:
You have no right to overstep those boundaries for any reason.
driving the speed limit on many roads is simply dangerous because everybody else goes 10 or 15 mph faster. since there is no chance that i'm going to convince everyone else to drive the posted speed limit, if i have to drive those roads, my only realistic option is to drive at a speed that doesn't doesn't pose a risk to the other people on the road - speed limits by damned.
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Ryan Binns wrote:
Rubbish
you completely miss what i'm saying. i'm not talking about driving laws specifically, i'm talking about your statement that "the law is the law". the simple fact is: no law enforces itself. if people don't want to obey a law, they won't, regardless of how many times you stamp your foot and say "the law is the law".
Ryan Binns wrote:
You have no right to overstep those boundaries for any reason.
driving the speed limit on many roads is simply dangerous because everybody else goes 10 or 15 mph faster. since there is no chance that i'm going to convince everyone else to drive the posted speed limit, if i have to drive those roads, my only realistic option is to drive at a speed that doesn't doesn't pose a risk to the other people on the road - speed limits by damned.
Chris Losinger wrote:
you completely miss what i'm saying. i'm not talking about driving laws specifically
Perhaps I'm missing something, but wasn't this whole thread about driving? Besides, that doesn't change anything. What I said applies to any law. You have no right to break them ever. Oh BTW, I'm not talking about you specifically here... :)
Chris Losinger wrote:
since there is no chance that i'm going to convince everyone else to drive the posted speed limit
You're not responsible for everyone else's behaviour, only your own. No matter what other people do, you still have to do the right thing. Anyway, it's getting late and I'm going to bed. Neither of us is going to win this. I don't really care what other people do; I know I'm doing the right thing. I love seeing people get booked for a traffic offense. It seriously makes me really, really happy. I hate driving because the roads are filled with idiots who don't obey the law. And people who say that everyone else does it so I have to too are no better than those who do it in the first place. It's a false justification at best.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Chris Losinger wrote:
you completely miss what i'm saying. i'm not talking about driving laws specifically
Perhaps I'm missing something, but wasn't this whole thread about driving? Besides, that doesn't change anything. What I said applies to any law. You have no right to break them ever. Oh BTW, I'm not talking about you specifically here... :)
Chris Losinger wrote:
since there is no chance that i'm going to convince everyone else to drive the posted speed limit
You're not responsible for everyone else's behaviour, only your own. No matter what other people do, you still have to do the right thing. Anyway, it's getting late and I'm going to bed. Neither of us is going to win this. I don't really care what other people do; I know I'm doing the right thing. I love seeing people get booked for a traffic offense. It seriously makes me really, really happy. I hate driving because the roads are filled with idiots who don't obey the law. And people who say that everyone else does it so I have to too are no better than those who do it in the first place. It's a false justification at best.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Ryan Binns wrote:
No matter what other people do, you still have to do the right thing.
the right thing in that case would be keeping yourself alive and not putting others in danger. you don't set an example, going 15mph slower than everyone else, you create a hazard, whatever your intentions are. that's not to say i condone reckless speeding, of course. i'm just pointing out that part of being a safe driver is not forcing others to react to unexpected situations.
Ryan Binns wrote:
It's a false justification at best.
idealism is great, on paper.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Anyone from Switzerland care to comment?
I'm not from Switzerland, but I'd still like to comment: There is no excuse for speeding. Ever.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Your right, only reasons.
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Your right, only reasons.
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Chris S Kaiser wrote:
Your right, only reasons.
No legitimate reasons. The only people who have the right to speed are emergency services vehicles, and only then in an actual emergency situation. Everyone else has no right, no reason and no excuse to speed.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Chris S Kaiser wrote:
Your right, only reasons.
No legitimate reasons. The only people who have the right to speed are emergency services vehicles, and only then in an actual emergency situation. Everyone else has no right, no reason and no excuse to speed.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Your funny, so if someone you cared for was dying, you'd go the speed limit even though it may cost you their life? And don't mention 911, they are rarely in time when the situation is that dire. Pretty extreme devotion to the law. Sorry, that's not my religion.
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