Inzamam-ul-Haq banned and cleared (Cricket)
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Obviously Inzamam. I don't know if Hair got any explicit punishment, but the dismissal of tampering charges against Inzamam should itself hurt him bad. If you add the significant dent in reputation caused by the leak of his letter by the ICC to the press, claiming compensation, it looks pretty much over for Hair.
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Obviously Inzamam. I don't know if Hair got any explicit punishment, but the dismissal of tampering charges against Inzamam should itself hurt him bad. If you add the significant dent in reputation caused by the leak of his letter by the ICC to the press, claiming compensation, it looks pretty much over for Hair.
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Any thoughts on Inzamam-ul-Haq's ban[^]?
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
The verdict went as I expected - not guilty on ball tampering, guilty on bringing the game into disrepute. However, I'm not pleased to see that he got away with the lightest punishment for his offense. IMO, they should have thrown the book at him on the second count. What he did was seriously wrong, on so many levels. The idiot said after the game that the five run penalty didn't matter, but that the accusation of ball tampering was an insult to the honor of Pakistan. But they continued playing till the tea break - where was their honor then? The lunacy doesn't end there. A full 50 minutes later, after the umpires had decided that the game had been forfeited, they came back on to the ground - where was their honor then? :| The ICC is only too aware of the repurcussions of throwing the book at him, which is why unfortunately they were lenient on him. :sigh:
Cheers, Vikram.
"whoever I am, I'm not other people" - Corinna John.
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The verdict went as I expected - not guilty on ball tampering, guilty on bringing the game into disrepute. However, I'm not pleased to see that he got away with the lightest punishment for his offense. IMO, they should have thrown the book at him on the second count. What he did was seriously wrong, on so many levels. The idiot said after the game that the five run penalty didn't matter, but that the accusation of ball tampering was an insult to the honor of Pakistan. But they continued playing till the tea break - where was their honor then? The lunacy doesn't end there. A full 50 minutes later, after the umpires had decided that the game had been forfeited, they came back on to the ground - where was their honor then? :| The ICC is only too aware of the repurcussions of throwing the book at him, which is why unfortunately they were lenient on him. :sigh:
Cheers, Vikram.
"whoever I am, I'm not other people" - Corinna John.
Agreed. I also don't see any relation between the nature of the offence committed and the punishment. Plenty of cricketers have been banned for ODIs/Tests for comparitively trivial things like over-appealing, gesturing etc..
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Oh yeah. I hate to fall back to blaming umpires but he is the first umpire I have ever thought to be biased against certain teams and to make decisions on that bias. Any Springbok (or Protea) captain would groan when he heard Hair was to be the umpire for their game. Hair has made some disparaging remarks about South African players too. All in all not someone I like.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
This is changing my perception about him. Pakistan is not new for ball tamperings. They've been doing it for decades. I thought this would be just another instance of it and this guy is genuine. But now I'm :~. My favourite umpires are Shepherd & Billy Bowden<-- this guy is too cool man!
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Agreed. I also don't see any relation between the nature of the offence committed and the punishment. Plenty of cricketers have been banned for ODIs/Tests for comparitively trivial things like over-appealing, gesturing etc..
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On the other hand, Gary Kirsten was found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute by wearing a colorful bandana with white clothing and was fined 10% of his match fee[^] :wtf:
Cheers, Vikram.
"whoever I am, I'm not other people" - Corinna John.
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Paul Watson wrote:
Any thoughts on Inzamam-ul-Haq's ban[^]?
I think he let his country down badly - and I am immensely surprised that the Pak Cricket board didn't punish him for this. As for poor Hair, looks like his umpiring career is finished - he was a good umpire, but he has some attitude issues, and at times it felt as if he thought that he was the Don Bradman of umpires and could treat an international game like a children's match played in his back yard. *But* in future, umpires will be at a disadvantage - I doubt if anyone would dare to raise a ball tampering allegation from now on - unless they want to risk facing the same hassles Hair had to. Not good obviously. Overall, some peculiar decisions by the ICC (which is consistent with how they've behaved in the past).
Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blogNishant Sivakumar wrote:
As for poor Hair, looks like his umpiring career is finished - he was a good umpire, but he has some attitude issues, and at times it felt as if he thought that he was the Don Bradman of umpires and could treat an international game like a children's match played in his back yard.
Can't agree Nish, I think he took his job seriously and applied the rules as strictly as they were written, none of this 18 degree bending crap. I'm assuming that now the laws will be rewritten to state that tampering with anything short of a power tool will be acceptable and if your from the Asian nations small handyman level power tools will be acceptable. It's a joke and until such times as white teams are forced to bat 6 bowlers at the top of the order, then a blind armless man as the wicket keeper and finally 4 batsmen as the bowlers the Asian teams won't be happy. As for the ICC they won't be happy until the Asian teams tell them they can be. Reverse racism gone stupid. If Australia tampered with the all and was caught by a Pakistani umpire Ricky Ponting would be publicly raped by a telegraph pole and the Paki umpire given his 72 virgins in advance. <edit>Shit, I can't even spell raped correctly.</edit> -- modified at 13:56 Thursday 28th September, 2006
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Any thoughts on Inzamam-ul-Haq's ban[^]?
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
Any thoughts on Inzamam-ul-Haq's ban[^]?
Tragic, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and England will forever be screwed by the racist tag that will be raised everytime any other test nation doesn't like a decision.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Apurva Kaushal wrote:
Somehow true, but one more thing is there ball tampering allegation a very serious issue and you must be very much sure prior to raise that.
Yeah, that's where Hair screwed himself - there was absolutely zero TV evidence of ball tampering. And it was very strange that Hair chose to risk making a hard-to-prove accusation.
Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blogNishant Sivakumar wrote:
Yeah, that's where Hair screwed himself - there was absolutely zero TV evidence of ball tampering.
Since when has there needed to be TV footage before an umpire can enforce a rule?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
As for poor Hair, looks like his umpiring career is finished - he was a good umpire, but he has some attitude issues, and at times it felt as if he thought that he was the Don Bradman of umpires and could treat an international game like a children's match played in his back yard.
Can't agree Nish, I think he took his job seriously and applied the rules as strictly as they were written, none of this 18 degree bending crap. I'm assuming that now the laws will be rewritten to state that tampering with anything short of a power tool will be acceptable and if your from the Asian nations small handyman level power tools will be acceptable. It's a joke and until such times as white teams are forced to bat 6 bowlers at the top of the order, then a blind armless man as the wicket keeper and finally 4 batsmen as the bowlers the Asian teams won't be happy. As for the ICC they won't be happy until the Asian teams tell them they can be. Reverse racism gone stupid. If Australia tampered with the all and was caught by a Pakistani umpire Ricky Ponting would be publicly raped by a telegraph pole and the Paki umpire given his 72 virgins in advance. <edit>Shit, I can't even spell raped correctly.</edit> -- modified at 13:56 Thursday 28th September, 2006
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
If Australia tampered with the all and was caught by a Pakistani umpire Ricky Ponting would be publicly rped by a telegraph pole and the Paki umpire given his 72 virgins in advance.
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
--[:jig:]-- [My Current Status] Link2006 wrote:Let's take it outside of CP Jeremy : Please don't.I would love to see this.I'm making the popcorn already.
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This is changing my perception about him. Pakistan is not new for ball tamperings. They've been doing it for decades. I thought this would be just another instance of it and this guy is genuine. But now I'm :~. My favourite umpires are Shepherd & Billy Bowden<-- this guy is too cool man!
--[:jig:]-- [My Current Status] Link2006 wrote:Let's take it outside of CP Jeremy : Please don't.I would love to see this.I'm making the popcorn already.
VuNic wrote:
Billy Bowden<-- this guy is too cool man!
He's a brainless twat that isn't worthy of wiping Hair's arse as far as umpiring goes.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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On the other hand, Gary Kirsten was found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute by wearing a colorful bandana with white clothing and was fined 10% of his match fee[^] :wtf:
Cheers, Vikram.
"whoever I am, I'm not other people" - Corinna John.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
On the other hand, Gary Kirsten was found guilty of bringing the game into disrepute by wearing a colorful bandana with white clothing and was fined 10% of his match fee[^]
The only thing consistent about the ICC has been their constant inconsistency in such decisions.
Regards, Nish
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Oh yeah. I hate to fall back to blaming umpires but he is the first umpire I have ever thought to be biased against certain teams and to make decisions on that bias. Any Springbok (or Protea) captain would groan when he heard Hair was to be the umpire for their game. Hair has made some disparaging remarks about South African players too. All in all not someone I like.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
Oh yeah. I hate to fall back to blaming umpires but he is the first umpire I have ever thought to be biased against certain teams and to make decisions on that bias. Any Springbok (or Protea) captain would groan when he heard Hair was to be the umpire for their game.
Why? Cause he wouldn't take bribes?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Paul Watson wrote:
Any thoughts on Inzamam-ul-Haq's ban[^]?
Tragic, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and England will forever be screwed by the racist tag that will be raised everytime any other test nation doesn't like a decision.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
Tragic, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and England will forever be screwed by the racist tag that will be raised everytime any other test nation doesn't like a decision.
I don't think Pakistan accused Hair of racism. They just accused him of being inefficient, and biased against them (Pakistan specifically).
Regards, Nish
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VuNic wrote:
Billy Bowden<-- this guy is too cool man!
He's a brainless twat that isn't worthy of wiping Hair's arse as far as umpiring goes.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
But Michael can name any kiwi umpire that you like? :rolleyes:
--[:jig:]-- [My Current Status] Link2006 wrote:Let's take it outside of CP Jeremy : Please don't.I would love to see this.I'm making the popcorn already.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
As for poor Hair, looks like his umpiring career is finished - he was a good umpire, but he has some attitude issues, and at times it felt as if he thought that he was the Don Bradman of umpires and could treat an international game like a children's match played in his back yard.
Can't agree Nish, I think he took his job seriously and applied the rules as strictly as they were written, none of this 18 degree bending crap. I'm assuming that now the laws will be rewritten to state that tampering with anything short of a power tool will be acceptable and if your from the Asian nations small handyman level power tools will be acceptable. It's a joke and until such times as white teams are forced to bat 6 bowlers at the top of the order, then a blind armless man as the wicket keeper and finally 4 batsmen as the bowlers the Asian teams won't be happy. As for the ICC they won't be happy until the Asian teams tell them they can be. Reverse racism gone stupid. If Australia tampered with the all and was caught by a Pakistani umpire Ricky Ponting would be publicly raped by a telegraph pole and the Paki umpire given his 72 virgins in advance. <edit>Shit, I can't even spell raped correctly.</edit> -- modified at 13:56 Thursday 28th September, 2006
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
If Australia tampered with the all and was caught by a Pakistani umpire Ricky Ponting would be publicly raped by a telegraph pole and the Paki umpire given his 72 virgins in advance.
Not Ponting, that'd be Lee. Though as his captain, Ponting may be held responsible too.
Regards, Nish
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But Michael can name any kiwi umpire that you like? :rolleyes:
--[:jig:]-- [My Current Status] Link2006 wrote:Let's take it outside of CP Jeremy : Please don't.I would love to see this.I'm making the popcorn already.
VuNic wrote:
But Michael can name any kiwi umpire that you like? :rolleyes:
He's the only one on the international scene that I know of and he is shithouse. In the past I have had no problem with any of the Kiwi umps. The only one in the past couple of years I had a problem with is Bucknor and that is only cause I think he is past his best and making some very poor decisions. Some for and some against Australia, but too many for soemone at his level.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Michael Martin wrote:
Tragic, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and England will forever be screwed by the racist tag that will be raised everytime any other test nation doesn't like a decision.
I don't think Pakistan accused Hair of racism. They just accused him of being inefficient, and biased against them (Pakistan specifically).
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blogNo, but the ICC and umpires now give different treatment to the 4 nations I mentioned compared to the rest. It will now be worse and all involved will be worried about being called racist. It's crap.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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No, but the ICC and umpires now give different treatment to the 4 nations I mentioned compared to the rest. It will now be worse and all involved will be worried about being called racist. It's crap.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
No, but the ICC and umpires now give different treatment to the 4 nations I mentioned compared to the rest. It will now be worse and all involved will be worried about being called racist. It's crap.
What's funny is that, in cricket, white-nations are actual a minority :-)
Regards, Nish
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Michael Martin wrote:
No, but the ICC and umpires now give different treatment to the 4 nations I mentioned compared to the rest. It will now be worse and all involved will be worried about being called racist. It's crap.
What's funny is that, in cricket, white-nations are actual a minority :-)
Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog