Vista Licensing revisited..
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That applies to transfering this to a third party. Even at that it goes on to say: Other Requirements. Before any permitted transfer, the other party must agree that this agreement applies to the transfer and use of the software. The transfer must include the proof of license. If the original part had already transfered to a new machine once, then it appears they could not transfer it to a third part as they third party would have to agree with the licensing and the terms of the license would already be expired for transfers. Software Other than Windows Anytime Upgrade. The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time. If you reassign the license, that other device becomes the “licensed device.” You can only move it to one other machine after it is installed. Here is a simple example of the problem: Let us say that today I purchased Vista Ultimate for $399 and installed it on my system. In a month my system takes a dump and I purchase a new Coreduo system. I can install the OS on that system and reassign the license to that machine. At this point I would not be able to transfer Vista to a third person as the amount of reassignments have been exausted. If something happens down the road and I need to move to a new system, I have to buy Vista Ultimate again.
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Rocky Moore wrote:
If the original part had already transfered to a new machine once, then it appears they could not transfer it to a third part as they third party would have to agree with the licensing and the terms of the license would already be expired for transfers.
no. And it has always been like this that the receiver of a license must agree to the terms before he can use the license.
Rocky Moore wrote:
At this point I would not be able to transfer Vista to a third person as the amount of reassignments have been exausted
no. There is no "amount of reassigments".
Rocky Moore wrote:
You can only move it to one other machine after it is installed.
You can move it to one machine and then you can move it from that machine to yet another one. And so on. You only have to make sure that on any point in time there is only one computer where the license is installed. Jochen
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Rocky Moore wrote:
If the original part had already transfered to a new machine once, then it appears they could not transfer it to a third part as they third party would have to agree with the licensing and the terms of the license would already be expired for transfers.
no. And it has always been like this that the receiver of a license must agree to the terms before he can use the license.
Rocky Moore wrote:
At this point I would not be able to transfer Vista to a third person as the amount of reassignments have been exausted
no. There is no "amount of reassigments".
Rocky Moore wrote:
You can only move it to one other machine after it is installed.
You can move it to one machine and then you can move it from that machine to yet another one. And so on. You only have to make sure that on any point in time there is only one computer where the license is installed. Jochen
Jochen, when you move XP or higher this way you have to re-activate your product normally. Put your car into another garage and you have to ask manufacturer about a new key because of this move. That's the very same. You still defeat MS for such behaviour?
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Or was it me?
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Rocky Moore wrote:
Oh, but the bright side is that they have extended their "warranty" to 1 year.. Oh, doesn't it just give you chills all over...
[sarcasm]I have a huge chubbie over this...[/sarcasm]
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Do they send me fixes for free than? I don't get rid of impression that some decission makers are not aware how many people on earth have no broadband available but a modem as well as those people have to pay for time being online in internet.
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Jochen, when you move XP or higher this way you have to re-activate your product normally. Put your car into another garage and you have to ask manufacturer about a new key because of this move. That's the very same. You still defeat MS for such behaviour?
diriproject wrote:
when you move XP or higher this way you have to re-activate your product normally.
where is the problem with that? Jochen
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Do they send me fixes for free than? I don't get rid of impression that some decission makers are not aware how many people on earth have no broadband available but a modem as well as those people have to pay for time being online in internet.
diriproject wrote:
Do they send me fixes for free than?
yes. From time to time Microsoft collects all available fixes on a CD and distributes it for free. You can find then glued to comp mags everwhere or the give it away on tradeshows. Jochen
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diriproject wrote:
when you move XP or higher this way you have to re-activate your product normally.
where is the problem with that? Jochen
???? Put your car into you neightbour's garage. When you want to drive afterwards you have to get a new key because of this. That's ok for you???? When I pay for something it's mine. It's never the task of manufacturer to tell me what to do with this product. I can buy a software and use it or push it into trash. Who cares?
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???? Put your car into you neightbour's garage. When you want to drive afterwards you have to get a new key because of this. That's ok for you???? When I pay for something it's mine. It's never the task of manufacturer to tell me what to do with this product. I can buy a software and use it or push it into trash. Who cares?
Software is not a car, it's a license. Thats a different story.
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http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx[^] A while back on in the Lounge we were talking about the new licensing. It is offical though, "retail" versions of Vista may only be transferred to one future box forever! I had thought this would only apply to OEM (which would make more sense), but it is not, it is for th retail version. Gamers who update their systems more than most people change socks will get bit hard by this one. One issue we had hoped for is that they would allow the system to power up to five machines as does Apple, but that is not happening either. Additionally, they are forcing periodic revaluations your license which if you do not allow to occur, will cripple your system until you do. This means that you system MUST be connected to internet at some point to validate. Another funny point is that the software is only licensed to use "up to" two processors. Guess you have to run Server if you are going to use a quad core... There are also a few limitations for virtual servers and may only use if using Vista Ultimate. Oh, but the bright side is that they have extended their "warranty" to 1 year.. Oh, doesn't it just give you chills all over... I do not know what the people at Microsoft are smoking, but I small a fall coming if they do not get a clue quickly! :zzz: So, how is the 64 bit versions of Linux going these days? ;)
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Rocky Moore wrote:
It is offical though, "retail" versions of Vista may only be transferred to one future box forever! I had thought this would only apply to OEM (which would make more sense), but it is not, it is for th retail version. Gamers who update their systems more than most people change socks will get bit hard by this one.
I think the most powerful source of complaints toward this new licensing scheme will be the hardware retailers. I can imagine that this policy could cause computer hardware sales to decline. I know I would be much more reluctant to upgrade my PC if I knew I'd need to purchase a new OS license. I'd be interested to see what happens if hardware sales do decline as a result. Pressure from major companies who include Windows on their prebuilt machines, who in turn received pressure from hardware manufacturing companies could be the deciding factor for Microsoft to change this license restriction. Microsoft would be really feeling the hurt if these companies started offering other non-Microsoft OS packages as an alternative or replacement.
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diriproject wrote:
Do they send me fixes for free than?
yes. From time to time Microsoft collects all available fixes on a CD and distributes it for free. You can find then glued to comp mags everwhere or the give it away on tradeshows. Jochen
Do they pay me to visit those tradeshows or send those CDs after each patchday for free? Remark: At last patchday they fixed some issues being introduced at patchday before.
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Software is not a car, it's a license. Thats a different story.
I do not have a rental contract or a usage contract when I buy a box. I buy the number of boxes including the product and can do with it whatever I want to do. It is the very same like buying a car or a building. Be aware that I don't say it's allowed to give copies away (one license - one usage). btw: You aren't the spokesperson of MS in Munic? Memory doesn't serve well but, your name sounds very familiar in this relation.
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I do not have a rental contract or a usage contract when I buy a box. I buy the number of boxes including the product and can do with it whatever I want to do. It is the very same like buying a car or a building. Be aware that I don't say it's allowed to give copies away (one license - one usage). btw: You aren't the spokesperson of MS in Munic? Memory doesn't serve well but, your name sounds very familiar in this relation.
Forgot to mention: Some years ago Microsoft has been sued in Germany for their behaviour in relation of OEM and full versions of products. As a result each customer getting a OEM version can exchange it to a full version for free when he wants to get it. To avoid this manufacturers selling bundles print "OEM" in very thick letters on their boxes. Do some digging and you'll find it.
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I do not have a rental contract or a usage contract when I buy a box. I buy the number of boxes including the product and can do with it whatever I want to do. It is the very same like buying a car or a building. Be aware that I don't say it's allowed to give copies away (one license - one usage). btw: You aren't the spokesperson of MS in Munic? Memory doesn't serve well but, your name sounds very familiar in this relation.
diriproject wrote:
do not have a rental contract or a usage contract when I buy a box. I buy the number of boxes including the product and can do with it whatever I want to do. It is the very same like buying a car or a building.
no. The box says that you are bound to the agreement that comes with the box. If you don't like the agreement you can return the box and get a refund.
diriproject wrote:
You aren't the spokesperson of MS in Munic?
no. And they have several of them and their names do not sound like my name.
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diriproject wrote:
do not have a rental contract or a usage contract when I buy a box. I buy the number of boxes including the product and can do with it whatever I want to do. It is the very same like buying a car or a building.
no. The box says that you are bound to the agreement that comes with the box. If you don't like the agreement you can return the box and get a refund.
diriproject wrote:
You aren't the spokesperson of MS in Munic?
no. And they have several of them and their names do not sound like my name.
Jochen_Muenchen wrote:
diriproject wrote: do not have a rental contract or a usage contract when I buy a box. I buy the number of boxes including the product and can do with it whatever I want to do. It is the very same like buying a car or a building. no. The box says that you are bound to the agreement that comes with the box. If you don't like the agreement you can return the box and get a refund.
According current practice you are wrong. Such a license has to be readable before somebody pays. Therefor such licenses are void. Most worst case in this relation is to have license available after installation and no second befor.
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Installation of Vista takes 1 hour on an AMD Athlon X2 4200+ , 2GB RAM, ASUS A8N SLI Mother board. Annoying black screens, leaving us to guess whether the installation is broken or running. Licensing ? huh.
Regards srk
That's odd. We've a very similar system (as your spec but an Athlon X2 4600+) and it installs in 20 minutes! :confused:
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Jochen_Muenchen wrote:
diriproject wrote: do not have a rental contract or a usage contract when I buy a box. I buy the number of boxes including the product and can do with it whatever I want to do. It is the very same like buying a car or a building. no. The box says that you are bound to the agreement that comes with the box. If you don't like the agreement you can return the box and get a refund.
According current practice you are wrong. Such a license has to be readable before somebody pays. Therefor such licenses are void. Most worst case in this relation is to have license available after installation and no second befor.
diriproject wrote:
According current practice you are wrong. Such a license has to be readable before somebody pays.
sure. Go to the web and download a copy.
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diriproject wrote:
According current practice you are wrong. Such a license has to be readable before somebody pays.
sure. Go to the web and download a copy.
Jochen_Muenchen wrote:
diriproject wrote: According current practice you are wrong. Such a license has to be readable before somebody pays. sure. Go to the web and download a copy.
No need for because they neither pay my internet access nor my time. I enter a shop, take a box, pay and have it. And, I'm pretty sure you are aware of the sentence: Opening a box forces you to buy it.
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http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx[^] A while back on in the Lounge we were talking about the new licensing. It is offical though, "retail" versions of Vista may only be transferred to one future box forever! I had thought this would only apply to OEM (which would make more sense), but it is not, it is for th retail version. Gamers who update their systems more than most people change socks will get bit hard by this one. One issue we had hoped for is that they would allow the system to power up to five machines as does Apple, but that is not happening either. Additionally, they are forcing periodic revaluations your license which if you do not allow to occur, will cripple your system until you do. This means that you system MUST be connected to internet at some point to validate. Another funny point is that the software is only licensed to use "up to" two processors. Guess you have to run Server if you are going to use a quad core... There are also a few limitations for virtual servers and may only use if using Vista Ultimate. Oh, but the bright side is that they have extended their "warranty" to 1 year.. Oh, doesn't it just give you chills all over... I do not know what the people at Microsoft are smoking, but I small a fall coming if they do not get a clue quickly! :zzz: So, how is the 64 bit versions of Linux going these days? ;)
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Anyone have any insight regarding MSDN Professional Subscriptions and how the Vista Licensing will be affected in terms of activations and Virtual Machine usage. I often install my MSDN XP Pro licenses in VMWare VM's and then after a few months, destory it and recreate it for various reasons.
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Jochen_Muenchen wrote:
diriproject wrote: According current practice you are wrong. Such a license has to be readable before somebody pays. sure. Go to the web and download a copy.
No need for because they neither pay my internet access nor my time. I enter a shop, take a box, pay and have it. And, I'm pretty sure you are aware of the sentence: Opening a box forces you to buy it.
diriproject wrote:
Opening a box forces you to buy it.
does not apply to software (at least from Microsoft). "You must accept the enclosed License Agreement before you can use this product. If you do not accept the terms of the License Agreement, you should promptly return the product for a refund. A copy of the product License Agreement ia available for review at www.microsoft.com/office/eula. ..." Outside of box for Visio standard. Maybe you should first lok at the boxes before you buy them.
diriproject wrote:
No need for because they neither pay my internet access nor my time.
They also do not pay you for the time that you need to get to the shop or the cost of driving there.
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diriproject wrote:
Opening a box forces you to buy it.
does not apply to software (at least from Microsoft). "You must accept the enclosed License Agreement before you can use this product. If you do not accept the terms of the License Agreement, you should promptly return the product for a refund. A copy of the product License Agreement ia available for review at www.microsoft.com/office/eula. ..." Outside of box for Visio standard. Maybe you should first lok at the boxes before you buy them.
diriproject wrote:
No need for because they neither pay my internet access nor my time.
They also do not pay you for the time that you need to get to the shop or the cost of driving there.
Jochen_Muenchen wrote:
diriproject wrote: Opening a box forces you to buy it. does not apply to software (at least from Microsoft). "You must accept the enclosed License Agreement before you can use this product. If you do not accept the terms of the License Agreement, you should promptly return the product for a refund. A copy of the product License Agreement ia available for review at www.microsoft.com/office/eula. ..." Outside of box for Visio standard. Maybe you should first lok at the boxes before you buy them.
When it's sold in Germany this license is invalid for not being in German language. From Visual Studio 6 Enterprise Edition: "Sie müssen den Bestimmungen des beiliegenden Linzenzvertrags ..." I could quote many more sentences like this because I hold licenses of many MS products since Windows 1.0. Nevertheless I'm not bound to them because I have never been able to read them with product in front of me before buying it. You may ask whichever dealer about broken pakets and selling them ... ;)
Jochen_Muenchen wrote:
diriproject wrote: No need for because they neither pay my internet access nor my time. They also do not pay you for the time that you need to get to the shop or the cost of driving there.
Oh, I am already in shop (take the one with a planet's name as example) and see this interesting product there. I want to buy it now because the box looks so funny and description sounds promissing. I take it, pay and go away with it. And there we are: License included in closed box is void. You see: It's like buying anything else. When bought product is software it doesn't make any difference in law - it's a product. Be happy about this! OTOH you can be one of ten persons being interested in such a product. Each person opens a box in the shop before spending money. What happens than?