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  • X Xiangyang Liu

    The management discovered that I have written code that changes the way the system works. The new code will solve a real urgent problem we are facing and I never said it has to go the way I designed and coded. We don't have any workable solution for this problem and any solution including mine involves regression testing everything. However, that is not the issue. The issue is that I have been doing the work while working on a lot of other projects assigned to me, and they don't know about it. Process, Process, Process, ... Can you predict what kind of punishment I will get? What will you do if you are my manager?

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    IVECINU
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    Software development is not like a doctor in a battlefield. If you be able to do all your assigments and get a solution to this problem with in extra time or in time, you manage very well your time at work to get the appropiate solution for this issue, you are OK, but if the others projects are dalayed becose this one, you are in troubles, big troubles. Now talking about punishment one good will be to promote you to Programmers' Supervisor. :cool:

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    • X Xiangyang Liu

      The management discovered that I have written code that changes the way the system works. The new code will solve a real urgent problem we are facing and I never said it has to go the way I designed and coded. We don't have any workable solution for this problem and any solution including mine involves regression testing everything. However, that is not the issue. The issue is that I have been doing the work while working on a lot of other projects assigned to me, and they don't know about it. Process, Process, Process, ... Can you predict what kind of punishment I will get? What will you do if you are my manager?

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      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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      Xiangyang Liu wrote:

      However, that is not the issue. The issue is that I have been doing the work while working on a lot of other projects assigned to me, and they don't know about it. Process, Process, Process, ...

      That's the way it is everywhere. In order to get the real work done you have to do it on the side.

      Xiangyang Liu wrote:

      Can you predict what kind of punishment I will get? What will you do if you are my manager?

      likely nothing will happen. If I were your manager, I'd make a "show" of punishment and then secretly reward you.

      Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay

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      • D Dan Neely

        brianwelsch wrote:

        However, if you spend more time on an issue than a day, you start messing with your manager's time scheduling. There might be things in the pipe that you don't know about yet, that your manager is waiting to assign. So it could be understandable that while you're on-time with assigned tasks, your manager sees the time you spent on the fix as missed opportunity to get something else accomplished.

        Not just that, but the problem may already be known and assigned to someone elsewhere in the organization. Now you've messed with thier tasking.

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        Right, good point.

        BW


        If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
        -- Steven Wright

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        • X Xiangyang Liu

          The management discovered that I have written code that changes the way the system works. The new code will solve a real urgent problem we are facing and I never said it has to go the way I designed and coded. We don't have any workable solution for this problem and any solution including mine involves regression testing everything. However, that is not the issue. The issue is that I have been doing the work while working on a lot of other projects assigned to me, and they don't know about it. Process, Process, Process, ... Can you predict what kind of punishment I will get? What will you do if you are my manager?

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          Marc Clifton
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          Xiangyang Liu wrote:

          Can you predict what kind of punishment I will get? What will you do if you are my manager?

          I love how we blindly accept many of the tenets of slavery but nowadays call it a job or work. Punishment for stepping out of line, the idea that you are inferior, you require permission, you have a slave master, excuse me, boss/manager/supervisor, whatever. Christ, when will people start treating others like people? And yes, I know, if there wasn't a "process" chaos and anarchy would rule. Marc

          Thyme In The Country

          People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
          There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
          People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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          • M Marc Clifton

            Xiangyang Liu wrote:

            Can you predict what kind of punishment I will get? What will you do if you are my manager?

            I love how we blindly accept many of the tenets of slavery but nowadays call it a job or work. Punishment for stepping out of line, the idea that you are inferior, you require permission, you have a slave master, excuse me, boss/manager/supervisor, whatever. Christ, when will people start treating others like people? And yes, I know, if there wasn't a "process" chaos and anarchy would rule. Marc

            Thyme In The Country

            People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
            There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
            People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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            Xiangyang Liu
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            Marc Clifton wrote:

            if there wasn't a "process" chaos and anarchy would rule

            And you know what will happen if anarchy rules: Things start to work by themselves? How absurd! :)

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            • M Marc Clifton

              Xiangyang Liu wrote:

              Can you predict what kind of punishment I will get? What will you do if you are my manager?

              I love how we blindly accept many of the tenets of slavery but nowadays call it a job or work. Punishment for stepping out of line, the idea that you are inferior, you require permission, you have a slave master, excuse me, boss/manager/supervisor, whatever. Christ, when will people start treating others like people? And yes, I know, if there wasn't a "process" chaos and anarchy would rule. Marc

              Thyme In The Country

              People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
              There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
              People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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              If there wasn't a "process", we'd actually get some coding done.

              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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              "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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              • X Xiangyang Liu

                Paul Watson wrote:

                You need to find a company that thinks like you then.

                I thought the current place works for me very well, until now.

                Paul Watson wrote:

                If you disagree with the policy then you should discuss it with him, not just ignore it.

                There is no hope I will win any such argument, none. The reason for ignoring somethings selectively is to keep my mental health.

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                Paul Watson
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                Xiangyang Liu wrote:

                The reason for ignoring somethings selectively is to keep my mental health.

                Look for a new job. It will blow up again. Eventually it will be bad. Best to leave peacefully.

                regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you

                Shog9 wrote:

                eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.

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                • X Xiangyang Liu

                  The management discovered that I have written code that changes the way the system works. The new code will solve a real urgent problem we are facing and I never said it has to go the way I designed and coded. We don't have any workable solution for this problem and any solution including mine involves regression testing everything. However, that is not the issue. The issue is that I have been doing the work while working on a lot of other projects assigned to me, and they don't know about it. Process, Process, Process, ... Can you predict what kind of punishment I will get? What will you do if you are my manager?

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                  Jerry Hammond
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                  ...and you said how many pages long is you resume? ;)

                  "When I get a little money, I buy books and if any is left, I buy food and clothes." --Erasmus

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                  • M Marc Clifton

                    Xiangyang Liu wrote:

                    Can you predict what kind of punishment I will get? What will you do if you are my manager?

                    I love how we blindly accept many of the tenets of slavery but nowadays call it a job or work. Punishment for stepping out of line, the idea that you are inferior, you require permission, you have a slave master, excuse me, boss/manager/supervisor, whatever. Christ, when will people start treating others like people? And yes, I know, if there wasn't a "process" chaos and anarchy would rule. Marc

                    Thyme In The Country

                    People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                    There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                    People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                    Shog9 0
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                    Marc Clifton wrote:

                    I love how we blindly accept many of the tenets of slavery but nowadays call it a job or work.

                    Hey! I don't accept it blindly. I accept it while drinking cheap alcohol, and singing the blues. And yes, it's 9:30PM on a Friday, and i'm still hunting bugs.

                    every night, i kneel at the foot of my bed and thank the Great Overseeing Politicians for protecting my freedoms by reducing their number, as if they were deer in a state park. -- Chris Losinger, Online Poker Players?

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                    • J Jerry Hammond

                      ...and you said how many pages long is you resume? ;)

                      "When I get a little money, I buy books and if any is left, I buy food and clothes." --Erasmus

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                      Xiangyang Liu
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                      How many pages would you like it to be? The last time I looked for a job was more than 6 years ago. Anything changed since that time? Can I still expect a sign-on bonus? :)

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                      • X Xiangyang Liu

                        The management discovered that I have written code that changes the way the system works. The new code will solve a real urgent problem we are facing and I never said it has to go the way I designed and coded. We don't have any workable solution for this problem and any solution including mine involves regression testing everything. However, that is not the issue. The issue is that I have been doing the work while working on a lot of other projects assigned to me, and they don't know about it. Process, Process, Process, ... Can you predict what kind of punishment I will get? What will you do if you are my manager?

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                        This depends - like what happens when people have to deal with the changes you've made. This could cost a lot of extra work for them if it behaves in unexpected ways. Next time tell your boss about the change beofre you release it and make it clear your assigned tasks haven't suffered. Elaine :rose:

                        The tigress is here :-D

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                          Xiangyang Liu wrote:

                          Process, Process, Process, ...

                          Hey now, processes are important! They keep process designers employed designing them. That stunt you pulled, well, who knows how many budding statisticians and wanna-be dictators it'll deprive of work?

                          Xiangyang Liu wrote:

                          Can you predict what kind of punishment I will get?

                          Ten months writing after-the-fact justifications for what you did. Complete with pages and pages of bogus numbers and colorful graphs and charts.

                          Xiangyang Liu wrote:

                          What will you do if you are my manager?

                          Nothing. But, i like it when work gets done. That's why i'm not in management.

                          every night, i kneel at the foot of my bed and thank the Great Overseeing Politicians for protecting my freedoms by reducing their number, as if they were deer in a state park. -- Chris Losinger, Online Poker Players?

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                          And we spend a lot of time figuring out why a system suddenly behaves differently then having to rewrite our code..

                          The tigress is here :-D

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                            This depends - like what happens when people have to deal with the changes you've made. This could cost a lot of extra work for them if it behaves in unexpected ways. Next time tell your boss about the change beofre you release it and make it clear your assigned tasks haven't suffered. Elaine :rose:

                            The tigress is here :-D

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                            Xiangyang Liu
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                            I think you got it all wrong. The code I wrote has not been released yet. Actually, it is more than a month away before we can release it. They are just not happy that I wrote the code without telling them. If they don't have my solution, they would probably wish a workable solution appear out of nowhere.

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                              And we spend a lot of time figuring out why a system suddenly behaves differently then having to rewrite our code..

                              The tigress is here :-D

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                              Shog9 0
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                              Actually, i re-write code and then work on figuring out why the system behaves differently from my expectations. I call it "chaos debugging".

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