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How about a HTTP standard that's actually appropriate to web development? But we all know that's not going to happen!
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Jim Crafton wrote:
How about a HTTP standard that's actually appropriate to web development?
I am curious, what exactly do you think it should look like?
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Wait until all the Bubble 2.0 companies collapse or get bought, then just watch what Google does next (remember, they did the first high-profile Ajax app, GMail)
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Actually, wasn't Google Maps first? That was the first one I noticed from a big player. Was funny though, most web development purists kept telling everyone to stay away from Javascript and that you could not depend on it as most people would not allow it... Well, most developers stayed clear for big projects, but at least Google thought it was cool :)
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Actually, wasn't Google Maps first? That was the first one I noticed from a big player. Was funny though, most web development purists kept telling everyone to stay away from Javascript and that you could not depend on it as most people would not allow it... Well, most developers stayed clear for big projects, but at least Google thought it was cool :)
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I believe Microsoft Outlook Web Access (OWA) was the first. Yep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJAX#History
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Web sites that don't totally suck.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
...just partially.
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Clickok wrote:
After ajax, what can change the future of web development?
Global terabyte wireless with octacore processors crossmatrixed with multi C-band clustered satellites creating an enhanced world simulacra. In other words, something that ultimately and completely obsoletes a format that was originally intended to display........text. Marc
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Global terabyte wireless with octacore processors crossmatrixed with multi C-band clustered satellites creating an enhanced world simulacra.
You speak like in Matrix! :-D
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After ajax, what can change the future of web development?
Jesus is Love! Tell to someone! :badger:
Microsoft actually adhering to agreed standards?
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I believe Microsoft Outlook Web Access (OWA) was the first. Yep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJAX#History
He said high-profile, not many people have used OWA.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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Web sites that don't totally suck.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
What sucks about them?
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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After ajax, what can change the future of web development?
Jesus is Love! Tell to someone! :badger:
Efficient, fast, low-power global coverage. Oh. And usability. Again.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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I believe Microsoft Outlook Web Access (OWA) was the first. Yep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJAX#History
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What sucks about them?
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Many web sites are still very poorly designed. What bugs me more are the many web sites that are just functional, but haven't progressed much beyond that. Amazon.com is a perfect example--I use it, but pull my hair out at how bad the searching and filtering options are. A big part of the problem is that the nature of being able to continually update your web site allows product managers and company bureaucrats far too much latitude in the design.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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Many web sites are still very poorly designed. What bugs me more are the many web sites that are just functional, but haven't progressed much beyond that. Amazon.com is a perfect example--I use it, but pull my hair out at how bad the searching and filtering options are. A big part of the problem is that the nature of being able to continually update your web site allows product managers and company bureaucrats far too much latitude in the design.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Yeah many websites are poorly designed and I agree that Amazon is one of them (I wish they had Google's "Did you mean?" search technology for typos.) But what software, web or desktop, is well designed?
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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After ajax, what can change the future of web development?
Jesus is Love! Tell to someone! :badger:
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He said high-profile, not many people have used OWA.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Literally millions of people have been using OWA since the 90's ... and since it's inception, I would say hundreds of millions...
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Literally millions of people have been using OWA since the 90's ... and since it's inception, I would say hundreds of millions...
I'd like to see some proof of that.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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I'd like to see some proof of that.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Well, for instance, the University of Phoenix Online has had over 171000 Alumni, and they run their online classes using Exchange Server via OWA. Take the many governments worldwide that run Exchange, along with all of the commercial interests that run Exchange, you are easily in the millions... Some of these entiteis are in the millions as far as clients go... such as the US Dept of Defense... The US Government runs Exchange, the Canadian Government also. After all, Exchange is the most widely deployed single Email system around for the past several years. I know of several companies that use OWA as a standard for email just because of the ease of deployment. As of Exchange Server 2003, nearly all of the functionality of Outlook was built into OWA. So, within the scope of total exposure of OWA since Exchange 5.5 back in the 90's, I would venture to say that my statement, while disputable, is probably easily proven with research. I'm not arguing, I'm merely stating some obvious facts... I'm sure that you could get additional information from some of the firms that do IT Testing, Auditing and Trend Analysis...
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Well, for instance, the University of Phoenix Online has had over 171000 Alumni, and they run their online classes using Exchange Server via OWA. Take the many governments worldwide that run Exchange, along with all of the commercial interests that run Exchange, you are easily in the millions... Some of these entiteis are in the millions as far as clients go... such as the US Dept of Defense... The US Government runs Exchange, the Canadian Government also. After all, Exchange is the most widely deployed single Email system around for the past several years. I know of several companies that use OWA as a standard for email just because of the ease of deployment. As of Exchange Server 2003, nearly all of the functionality of Outlook was built into OWA. So, within the scope of total exposure of OWA since Exchange 5.5 back in the 90's, I would venture to say that my statement, while disputable, is probably easily proven with research. I'm not arguing, I'm merely stating some obvious facts... I'm sure that you could get additional information from some of the firms that do IT Testing, Auditing and Trend Analysis...
I am simply surprised having never seen a single company use OWA for anything except a few cases of away-from-Outlook cases. On anything but a LAN or a good connection it is pretty useless (back in 1990 I'd hate to have used OWA on anything but a LAN.) It is nice to have but from what I have seen people prefer Outlook Express or full Outlook. I'd like to know how many of the Phoenix Alumni actually use OWA. Looking on their site and one of their user's reports they seem to recommend Outlook Express first with OWA as backup. One user reported "Alternatively, the student can access the classes through Outlook Web Access, but the interface is unstable and doesn’t work properly with many browser." It might be a case like Microsoft reporting that MSN Spaces is the most used blogging system on the planet when in fact they were reporting the number of Passport/Live users who had automatic access to. i.e. X number of people could have used system Y but that is not to say they are. I also think OWA is not "high-profile" in comparison to many web-apps. GMail might not be the biggest email player but they do have a high-profile. Hotmail definitely has a big email market and is high-profile, same with Yahoo! Mail. This is largely down to the specialist server needs of OWA and how it is not used as a public system. Still, you have made me aware that OWA is used more than thought, thanks.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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After ajax, what can change the future of web development?
Jesus is Love! Tell to someone! :badger:
Well actually I think that in that era, we can basically implement part of distributed applications for most people as a widespreaded matter. Currently we run most of our softwares in local and in future we may just buy a license and run them on the server or on thounds knots of the net. One of the most covient thing is that we do not need to worry about our machine might be not powerful enough to run some softwares or game. :)
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Actually, wasn't Google Maps first? That was the first one I noticed from a big player. Was funny though, most web development purists kept telling everyone to stay away from Javascript and that you could not depend on it as most people would not allow it... Well, most developers stayed clear for big projects, but at least Google thought it was cool :)
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: ASP.NET HttpException - Cannot use leading "..".. Latest Tech Blog Post: Replacing Vista System HD & New things learned!
if anyone said "don't use Javascript", I would laugh my head off :laugh: Even a few years ago, I was using it all the time. What people should have advised was... "don't use IE, and don't use Active X" People get AJAX and DHTML confused. I've been using DHTML forever, but these days we are seeing very cool uses of it, and the buzz word is "AJAX" so anything new must be AJAX hahah :laugh: DHTML examples: Hover over an image, it changes. Click a link, and a table appears with content. Click a thumbnail and an image appears (like on ebay), these are all done with DHTML, it's funny how long it takes for technology to be recognized. I guess we work too hard and don't play enough. :(
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Microsoft actually adhering to agreed standards?