Java is now open source ?
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Sun made an absolutely enormous mistake when, instead of adopting Microsoft's extensions, Sun sued Microsoft. Idiotic because up until that point, Microsoft's VM was far and away the best. If Sun had adopted J/Direct, delegates, and just let the COM extensions go - or even just let Microsoft go their own path, as long as they ensured that MS continued to support Swing/AWT - Microsoft would never have released .NET. In many ways, I'm glad that Sun did do what they did, because I think that on the whole, .NET is a better platform than J++. But in the end, Sun shot themselves in the foot.
Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
Mike Dimmick wrote:
Sun made an absolutely enormous mistake when, instead of adopting Microsoft's extensions, Sun sued Microsoft. Idiotic because up until that point, Microsoft's VM was far and away the best.
I tottaly agree. Java would be nothing without microsoft. They for yars tried to push java (then called OAK) on consumer electronics and stuff. They had to idea what to do with it. Then microsoft distribute it everywere! Don't forget that java was first supposed to be use for giving life to webpages in a form of java applets. What sun do next is unreasonable. I think they were jelouse of the great VM and compiler produced by Microsoft. That move gave space to flash and transform it from a tool for graffic designers to make simple animations into a tool for programmers to do interactive and sofisticated UIs. Now in web , flash's actionScript considered more powerfull than java, actually any mention of java applet is now a joke!Java lost this battle, and also lost the Desktop for other reasons. The java mannaged to move in more save areas for her, like in education and server side (JSP), where it builds strings and qyeries DBs.
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Sun released major portions of Java under GPL today according to this news story http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2168433/sun-settles-gpl-open-source[^]! I cant however find it on the mainstream media yet. You can now see and even modify the source for the HotSpot runtime, the javac compiler, and others.:cool: :cool: Most of java is expected to be released under GPL early next year. Whats your take on the license ? I think they made it clear that software developed using Java can continue to be closed source. What do you think will be the impact on .NET ?
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Sorry mate but Java is nowhere near extinction.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Sure, it will always live, just like COBOL. J2EE is a disaster compared to ASP.NET. Without a killer web platform, Java has no reason to exist, that I can see.
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Sure, it will always live, just like COBOL. J2EE is a disaster compared to ASP.NET. Without a killer web platform, Java has no reason to exist, that I can see.
Oh absolutely, J2EE is a disaster. Just look at the many replacements being floated, some of which are not half-bad. But Java has a huge place in the telecommunications market. You have to ensure your application runs in a Java application server if you want to sell your application to them. Oracle for instance has a massive investment in Java, their next decade of releases is Java based. And not one of the major telecomms companies will touch .NET. They actively discriminate against .NET applications. Java has many, many more years before it reaches a state like COBOL. By that time I doubt .NET will be chosen as the replacement. Something else will have come along, maybe even something from Microsoft, and that will be chosen.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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Oh absolutely, J2EE is a disaster. Just look at the many replacements being floated, some of which are not half-bad. But Java has a huge place in the telecommunications market. You have to ensure your application runs in a Java application server if you want to sell your application to them. Oracle for instance has a massive investment in Java, their next decade of releases is Java based. And not one of the major telecomms companies will touch .NET. They actively discriminate against .NET applications. Java has many, many more years before it reaches a state like COBOL. By that time I doubt .NET will be chosen as the replacement. Something else will have come along, maybe even something from Microsoft, and that will be chosen.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
But Java has a huge place in the telecommunications market.
Ah - phone games. Good point.
Paul Watson wrote:
Oracle for instance has a massive investment in Java, their next decade of releases is Java based.
Yes, that is why their Windows client tools totally suck.
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Sun released major portions of Java under GPL today according to this news story http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2168433/sun-settles-gpl-open-source[^]! I cant however find it on the mainstream media yet. You can now see and even modify the source for the HotSpot runtime, the javac compiler, and others.:cool: :cool: Most of java is expected to be released under GPL early next year. Whats your take on the license ? I think they made it clear that software developed using Java can continue to be closed source. What do you think will be the impact on .NET ?
I would consider going to J2EE just to be more marketable. However, my current customers care about things like performance and applications being built very quickly. The J2EE runtime is a dog. All I ever hear about from J2EE fanboys is "but you can run it on unix". Except that at my company, it costs 5 times as much for a unix box.
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Paul Watson wrote:
But Java has a huge place in the telecommunications market.
Ah - phone games. Good point.
Paul Watson wrote:
Oracle for instance has a massive investment in Java, their next decade of releases is Java based.
Yes, that is why their Windows client tools totally suck.
Christian Graus wrote:
Ah - phone games. Good point.
:laugh: No, not games. All their backend systems. Their SDP is all Java.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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Oh absolutely, J2EE is a disaster. Just look at the many replacements being floated, some of which are not half-bad. But Java has a huge place in the telecommunications market. You have to ensure your application runs in a Java application server if you want to sell your application to them. Oracle for instance has a massive investment in Java, their next decade of releases is Java based. And not one of the major telecomms companies will touch .NET. They actively discriminate against .NET applications. Java has many, many more years before it reaches a state like COBOL. By that time I doubt .NET will be chosen as the replacement. Something else will have come along, maybe even something from Microsoft, and that will be chosen.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
They actively discriminate against .NET applications.
hardly surprising, and the typical ignorance you would expect from such big investors in java :rolleyes: :->
---Guy H (;-)---
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Paul Watson wrote:
They actively discriminate against .NET applications.
hardly surprising, and the typical ignorance you would expect from such big investors in java :rolleyes: :->
---Guy H (;-)---
It is not complete ignorance. Sticking to one environment does make it easier on many fronts. Mixing .NET apps and Java apps can cause headaches.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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Sun released major portions of Java under GPL today according to this news story http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2168433/sun-settles-gpl-open-source[^]! I cant however find it on the mainstream media yet. You can now see and even modify the source for the HotSpot runtime, the javac compiler, and others.:cool: :cool: Most of java is expected to be released under GPL early next year. Whats your take on the license ? I think they made it clear that software developed using Java can continue to be closed source. What do you think will be the impact on .NET ?
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Paul Watson wrote:
But Java has a huge place in the telecommunications market.
Ah - phone games. Good point.
Paul Watson wrote:
Oracle for instance has a massive investment in Java, their next decade of releases is Java based.
Yes, that is why their Windows client tools totally suck.
How do people/companies make money and therefore are able to support and develop a product when it is given away. This merely proliferates propeller heads does it not as with the Linux open source distros where there is 20 different variations. Great for technical nuts but not much chop for the user even if the user is a software developer. How will java stay unified and moving forward
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Paul Watson wrote:
But Java has a huge place in the telecommunications market.
Ah - phone games. Good point.
Paul Watson wrote:
Oracle for instance has a massive investment in Java, their next decade of releases is Java based.
Yes, that is why their Windows client tools totally suck.