Java is now open source ?
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Sorry mate but Java is nowhere near extinction.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Sure, it will always live, just like COBOL. J2EE is a disaster compared to ASP.NET. Without a killer web platform, Java has no reason to exist, that I can see.
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Sure, it will always live, just like COBOL. J2EE is a disaster compared to ASP.NET. Without a killer web platform, Java has no reason to exist, that I can see.
Oh absolutely, J2EE is a disaster. Just look at the many replacements being floated, some of which are not half-bad. But Java has a huge place in the telecommunications market. You have to ensure your application runs in a Java application server if you want to sell your application to them. Oracle for instance has a massive investment in Java, their next decade of releases is Java based. And not one of the major telecomms companies will touch .NET. They actively discriminate against .NET applications. Java has many, many more years before it reaches a state like COBOL. By that time I doubt .NET will be chosen as the replacement. Something else will have come along, maybe even something from Microsoft, and that will be chosen.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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Oh absolutely, J2EE is a disaster. Just look at the many replacements being floated, some of which are not half-bad. But Java has a huge place in the telecommunications market. You have to ensure your application runs in a Java application server if you want to sell your application to them. Oracle for instance has a massive investment in Java, their next decade of releases is Java based. And not one of the major telecomms companies will touch .NET. They actively discriminate against .NET applications. Java has many, many more years before it reaches a state like COBOL. By that time I doubt .NET will be chosen as the replacement. Something else will have come along, maybe even something from Microsoft, and that will be chosen.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
But Java has a huge place in the telecommunications market.
Ah - phone games. Good point.
Paul Watson wrote:
Oracle for instance has a massive investment in Java, their next decade of releases is Java based.
Yes, that is why their Windows client tools totally suck.
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Sun released major portions of Java under GPL today according to this news story http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2168433/sun-settles-gpl-open-source[^]! I cant however find it on the mainstream media yet. You can now see and even modify the source for the HotSpot runtime, the javac compiler, and others.:cool: :cool: Most of java is expected to be released under GPL early next year. Whats your take on the license ? I think they made it clear that software developed using Java can continue to be closed source. What do you think will be the impact on .NET ?
I would consider going to J2EE just to be more marketable. However, my current customers care about things like performance and applications being built very quickly. The J2EE runtime is a dog. All I ever hear about from J2EE fanboys is "but you can run it on unix". Except that at my company, it costs 5 times as much for a unix box.
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Paul Watson wrote:
But Java has a huge place in the telecommunications market.
Ah - phone games. Good point.
Paul Watson wrote:
Oracle for instance has a massive investment in Java, their next decade of releases is Java based.
Yes, that is why their Windows client tools totally suck.
Christian Graus wrote:
Ah - phone games. Good point.
:laugh: No, not games. All their backend systems. Their SDP is all Java.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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Oh absolutely, J2EE is a disaster. Just look at the many replacements being floated, some of which are not half-bad. But Java has a huge place in the telecommunications market. You have to ensure your application runs in a Java application server if you want to sell your application to them. Oracle for instance has a massive investment in Java, their next decade of releases is Java based. And not one of the major telecomms companies will touch .NET. They actively discriminate against .NET applications. Java has many, many more years before it reaches a state like COBOL. By that time I doubt .NET will be chosen as the replacement. Something else will have come along, maybe even something from Microsoft, and that will be chosen.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Paul Watson wrote:
They actively discriminate against .NET applications.
hardly surprising, and the typical ignorance you would expect from such big investors in java :rolleyes: :->
---Guy H (;-)---
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Paul Watson wrote:
They actively discriminate against .NET applications.
hardly surprising, and the typical ignorance you would expect from such big investors in java :rolleyes: :->
---Guy H (;-)---
It is not complete ignorance. Sticking to one environment does make it easier on many fronts. Mixing .NET apps and Java apps can cause headaches.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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Sun released major portions of Java under GPL today according to this news story http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2168433/sun-settles-gpl-open-source[^]! I cant however find it on the mainstream media yet. You can now see and even modify the source for the HotSpot runtime, the javac compiler, and others.:cool: :cool: Most of java is expected to be released under GPL early next year. Whats your take on the license ? I think they made it clear that software developed using Java can continue to be closed source. What do you think will be the impact on .NET ?
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Paul Watson wrote:
But Java has a huge place in the telecommunications market.
Ah - phone games. Good point.
Paul Watson wrote:
Oracle for instance has a massive investment in Java, their next decade of releases is Java based.
Yes, that is why their Windows client tools totally suck.
How do people/companies make money and therefore are able to support and develop a product when it is given away. This merely proliferates propeller heads does it not as with the Linux open source distros where there is 20 different variations. Great for technical nuts but not much chop for the user even if the user is a software developer. How will java stay unified and moving forward
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Paul Watson wrote:
But Java has a huge place in the telecommunications market.
Ah - phone games. Good point.
Paul Watson wrote:
Oracle for instance has a massive investment in Java, their next decade of releases is Java based.
Yes, that is why their Windows client tools totally suck.