Question about melatonin [modified]
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Josh Gray wrote:
Captain See Sharp It is nothing like Xanax or Ambien. Complete rubbish,
The people criticizing this 'drug' appear to know very little about it. It is nothing like Xanax or Ambien, addictive benzodiazepines. It is naturally occurring hormone of which levels in the body can be artificially increased by less than natural supplements. Of course knowledge and caution are always important, but this isn't just some fad diet medicine.
Brady Kelly wrote:
The people criticizing this 'drug' appear to know very little about it. It is nothing like Xanax or Ambien, addictive benzodiazepines. It is naturally occurring hormone of which levels in the body can be artificially increased by less than natural supplements. Of course knowledge and caution are always important, but this isn't just some fad diet medicine.
Spoken like a true disciple
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I personally went on Zoloft about 8 years ago after my dad died. The side effect? ADD. Then they gave me something for the ADD which I didn't like. So I live with--hey something shiny! My husband calls me Tangent Girl. Anyhow, it doesn't make me sleepy and I've had sleeping problems for years. The doctor perscribed something that is sometimes used as a mild anti-depressant (not one of those being advertised on tv). He said, 'you might have dry mouth.' I started having dreams where I was so thirsty, trying to drink from glasses only to have the water not come out--as if saran wrap was on the top of the glass. That was enough for me to quit. Sometimes I use benedryl, but more often I use alchohol. Bad, i know.
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SSRI's have a lot of side effects and strange mental changes that I would rather not go through. Its one thing to take a drug once or twice but a constant supply of the drug in your blood stream is very bad for your mind, even if the doctors say its OK.
leckey wrote:
Sometimes I use benedryl, but more often I use alchohol. Bad, i know.
Kava has some interestingly similar effects as alcohol and considerably less harmful from what I read. From my research melatonin, 5-HTP, and Kava are recipes for sleep and the most vivid dreams you can have. One site that contains interesting information on just about any drug you can imagine is erowid.org[^] The most interesting reading at erowid is the experiences that people post on the specific drug they are taking.
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Brady Kelly wrote:
The people criticizing this 'drug' appear to know very little about it. It is nothing like Xanax or Ambien, addictive benzodiazepines. It is naturally occurring hormone of which levels in the body can be artificially increased by less than natural supplements. Of course knowledge and caution are always important, but this isn't just some fad diet medicine.
Spoken like a true disciple
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I've never even seen melatonin advertised, nor used it, but I am interested in trying it because of what I have heard from friends with first hand experience. You will seldom find me being a disciple of anything.
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
but you and Loki[^] might!
Oh yeah, he's the man. Just check out his beard. :laugh:
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Catch the drift?
Yeah, but Its worth a try.
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Captain See SharpYeah, but Its worth a try.
Well, best of luck to you. Just know there are better ways yo.
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For some of us, we've spent years trying to find the cause; changing diet, where we sleep, caffeine intake...for me I can't find the cause. Sometimes I can fall asleep no problem but then wake up constantly. Last night I would fall asleep, go right into dream world, wake up after 3 minutes and be awake for 10. Did that until about 11 am (yes I called into work since I had such little sleep).
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leckey wrote:
we've spent years trying to find the cause; changing diet, where we sleep, caffeine intake...for me I can't find the cause.
Well, the typical factors in not sleeping well are an irregular sleeping schedule, not routinely exercising, poor nutrition (low carb, low fad, etc. diets aren't the way to go), and stress. I don't know the diet change you went through and if it wasn't better just different (don't trust TV for that advice that's for sure), but while that helps it alone won't cut it when it comes time to pass out. Changing the location you sleep it a lot will actually worsen your chances of getting to sleep. To make a long story short, the brain gets used to where it passes out each night. Oh, and caffeine intake will never help you get to sleep. If stress if your reason, try meditation (yoga, hypnosis, etc.). This stuff works pretty well if you're really stressed. And, if not of this fits the bill then you very well may have a sleeping condition. I do find however that people like to kid themselves when it comes to exhausting all the possibilities (diet still sucks, don't want to exercise, still stressed, etc.).
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Captain See SharpI know what the cause of the symptoms are and 5-HTP and good sleep are likely to remove the cause.
I disagree but you seem to have convinced yourself dispite what pretty much everyone here is telling you. Remember what The Verve said "And the drugs dont work they just make you worse..."
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Josh Gray wrote:
I disagree but you seem to have convinced yourself dispite what pretty much everyone here is telling you.
Yeah, I got the same vibe. It's kinda sad when people are willing to turn every-which-way but inward.
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Josh Gray wrote:
My father suffered from depression for many many years and was treated with Zoloft, its a real illness just like heart disease or anything else. If you want you can email me and Ill tell you a bit about what I learnt through his experiance.
I no longer suffer from depression except maybe a mild down day every now and then. It used to be extremely bad but time and mental effort allowed me to get passed it. My only problem now is slight anxiety at times and sleep problems occasionally. I don't have the money for doctors and such and I don't think I need them any more. I'm interested in 5-HTP because it provides a light mood lift and calming effect(great for those anxious days or in social situations) together with melatonin should provide good sleep which should prevent me from falling back into depression. Oh and Kava looks very interesting, I will try it eventually.
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Captain See SharpIt used to be extremely bad but time and mental effort allowed me to get passed it. My only problem now is slight anxiety at times and sleep problems occasionally.
And I'm sure the two are related.
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How many people here have used or use melatonin to treat your sleep problems? If so how effective is it? I have heard it will help get you to sleep and give you a higher quality sleep. It also has been known to induce extremely vivid dreams. I was thinking about combining it with 5-HTP to get a good sleep when I need. -- modified at 21:04 Tuesday 28th November, 2006
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1. The evidence for the efficacy of melatonin is sketchy and contradictory. Most controlled studies show no or little effect. However, most studies do indicate that it is safe for short-term use, so it might be worth a shot. 2. I've seen no real evidence anywhere that 5-HTP is effacious for sleep disorders. Mice studies have suggested that it can help mitigate the damage from sleep deprivation, but that's about it. 5-HTP is poorly studied and (IMO) criminally underregulated. If you're going to use it, you should probably discuss it with your doctor. 3. Personal reports like those on erowid are very entertaining, but they are a very, very lousy source of reliable information because the personal experiences written there aren't controlled or contextualized - so their experiences may have been nothing more than expectation fulfilled or a post hoc[^] fallacy. Have fun!
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How many people here have used or use melatonin to treat your sleep problems? If so how effective is it? I have heard it will help get you to sleep and give you a higher quality sleep. It also has been known to induce extremely vivid dreams. I was thinking about combining it with 5-HTP to get a good sleep when I need. -- modified at 21:04 Tuesday 28th November, 2006
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In my experience melatonin can be great but I don't think you should try using it if you haven't tried a few other things first. One of the other guys said that it might be worth trying exercise and he's right. Also avoid stimulating stuff (like tv, the internet, etc) late at night and don't take in any caffeine at all after about 4pm. I had difficulty sleeping when I was your age (even though I don't know how old you are, since I had difficulty getting to sleep from the age of about zero to 25 I am probably right) and it fixed itself when I got a real job and was training really hard at the gym and wearing myself out. Nowadays I reserve the use of melatonin for combatng jetlag etc. A single dose cures jetlag in my experience! Oh yeah, even when I've weighed 280lb I've never used more than 3mg at once. More is NOT better since the human body contains probably less than a tenth of this amount.
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if you want good sleep 1) increase your physical workout 2) if you have stress problems try meditation 3) drink extra water 4) quit coffee / tea 5) try to quit alcohol/cigarettes 6) good sex before sleep will do (only if you are eligible :laugh:) 7) balance you diet its your body and take care of it ,it will pay you back and vice versa :):)
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Amar Chaudhary wrote:
- good sex before sleep will do (only if you are eligible )
If you are a dude then even bad sex will tire you out! Even sex on your own... :laugh:
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Josh Gray wrote:
My father suffered from depression for many many years and was treated with Zoloft, its a real illness just like heart disease or anything else. If you want you can email me and Ill tell you a bit about what I learnt through his experiance.
I no longer suffer from depression except maybe a mild down day every now and then. It used to be extremely bad but time and mental effort allowed me to get passed it. My only problem now is slight anxiety at times and sleep problems occasionally. I don't have the money for doctors and such and I don't think I need them any more. I'm interested in 5-HTP because it provides a light mood lift and calming effect(great for those anxious days or in social situations) together with melatonin should provide good sleep which should prevent me from falling back into depression. Oh and Kava looks very interesting, I will try it eventually.
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I think it's a dangerous path you have choosen, all this self-medication without proper advice from a physician. Even if you've had bad experiences with doctors before, you would do well to see one before you start medicating yourself.
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How many people here have used or use melatonin to treat your sleep problems? If so how effective is it? I have heard it will help get you to sleep and give you a higher quality sleep. It also has been known to induce extremely vivid dreams. I was thinking about combining it with 5-HTP to get a good sleep when I need. -- modified at 21:04 Tuesday 28th November, 2006
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I just took some melatonin and......
Thanks. KHadden
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I just took some melatonin and......
Thanks. KHadden
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Captain See SharpI used to walk to work and school(a good 30-40 minute walk) every day for about a year.
Btw, I should mention. If your heart's not pumping it's not real exercise. Even people that walk for health tend to "power walk" (basically briskly). Dragging along one foot after another (I don't know your story, just giving you info) isn't quite the same. Also, keep in mind, the weather can affect your mood. Bad moods can hurt your exercise session. If you don't like walking the rain and snow for exercise then you owe it to yourself to find a new means of getting it in.
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Hi, Ever taught you might have diabetes of type 2. I experience the same problems with my sleep before i knew i had it. Go see you doc and get it check. Remember that millions of people have diabetes of that type and are unaware of it. Later :cool:
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Shog9 wrote:
whiskey
Unfortunately I am considered to be not old enough to buy or drink it which makes it difficult for me to get.
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Ken Hadden wrote:
I just took some melatonin and......
Did it work?
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Yes. If you truely have trouble sleeping as do I, use it. It seems to loose effectivness, though, when using it regularly so stop for a while once you are on a normal schedule again. Take it at least an hour before you want to sleep. And definately use the sublingual kind. It seems to work better, especially if you've eaten a large meal which will effect your ability to metabolize the swallowed kind. Valerian is decent as well. I've used both at the same time and zonked-out very quickly. -- modified at 16:40 Saturday 2nd December, 2006
Thanks. KHadden
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Yes. If you truely have trouble sleeping as do I, use it. It seems to loose effectivness, though, when using it regularly so stop for a while once you are on a normal schedule again. Take it at least an hour before you want to sleep. And definately use the sublingual kind. It seems to work better, especially if you've eaten a large meal which will effect your ability to metabolize the swallowed kind. Valerian is decent as well. I've used both at the same time and zonked-out very quickly. -- modified at 16:40 Saturday 2nd December, 2006
Thanks. KHadden
Ken Hadden wrote:
And definately use the sublingual kind.
I didn't buy the sublingual kind :sigh: but the pills may be better because it may stay in your system for a longer period of time.
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