which language to start with

Eytukan

VB for NewBies... :-D. Not kidding.. that may help him realise how simple things are. Later he can switch over to real programming.:rolleyes:

:Gong: 歡迎光臨吐西批 :Gong:

Amar Chaudhary

i think he is comfortable with that and he is real fast in getting things when we discuss problems with each other usually he is the first to get solutions:)

it is good to be important but it is more important to be good

Nish Nishant

Matt Gerrans wrote:

By the way, .NET compiles to IL, which isn't the same as PE.

The .NET compilers (C#, VB.NET etc.) generate PE executables. The MSIL is stored as data - and the first line is a JMP to some function (whose name I cant remember now) in mscoree.dll, which then executes the MSIL. I believe you already knew that - but thought I'd mention it so that people who didn't know wouldn't get the wrong idea that .NET compilers on Windows produce non-PE executables.

Regards, Nish

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El Corazon

LISP. If he can survive LISP then any other language will be a piece of cake. ;P:laugh: (you've got good answers above, I just had to be the odd-ball, been in a very... interesting mood... since this last weekend... no not talking about it. :-D:-D )

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

Paul Conrad

Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

LISP. If he can survive LISP then any other language will be a piece of cake.

Oh man, all of those (((((( ))))) :laugh:

If you try to write that in English, I might be able to understand more than a fraction of it. - Guffa

Shog9 0

Looks like it. Shame about the drawings though.

---- I just want you to be happy; That's my only little wish...

El Corazon

PaulC1972 wrote:

(((((( )))))

proof LISP gives you tunnel vision!

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

Paul Conrad

Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

proof LISP gives you tunnel vision!

:laugh::-D

If you try to write that in English, I might be able to understand more than a fraction of it. - Guffa

Amar Chaudhary

any links for compiler / ide and any idea about cost

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Christian Graus

Amar Chaudhary wrote:

for finding a better match for me

Does better mean he doesn't like your current choice ? If he can handle the C# syntax, it's a better choice than VB, because it makes C++ easier to jump to. Whatever he learns, please, for the love of all that's holy, teach him C# on the console prior to teaching him about GUI libraries and event driven coding. I am in despair that almost no-one seems to do that anymore.

Christian Graus - C++ MVP 'Why don't we jump on a fad that hasn't already been widely discredited ?' - Dilbert

El Corazon

I was joking. :) LISP is ancient, difficult, very symbolic, backwards, and pretty much meant for AI work. I doubt there are more than a handful of programmers on this board who know LISP, and no one would recommend it outside of joke. :-D sorry to lead you astray. :) however, for many languages: http://www.thefreecountry.com/compilers/index.shtml[^] http://www.thefreecountry.com/programming/editors.shtml[^]

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

Amar Chaudhary

Christian Graus wrote:

Does better mean he doesn't like your current choice ?

actually i don't have any choice and he had gone through few hundred of options

Christian Graus wrote:

C# on the console

yes i will implement that cause it is easier to learn when there few things distracting :)

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Amar Chaudhary wrote:

LOL

Is that "Laugh out Loud" or "Lots of Luck"? Seems a bit ambiguous, even to a human...

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Shog9 wrote:

Or Forth. If you can manage to dig up a Forth environment and a copy of Leo Brodie's "Starting Forth". Brillian beginner's book.

Agreed. I've got two copies myself and might be willing to part with one if I thought the person was really serious.

Amar Chaudhary

thanks i refer wikipedia and it said "Lisp is the second-oldest high-level programming language in widespread use today" so i asked you :)

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Christian Graus

Amar Chaudhary wrote:

actually i don't have any choice and he had gone through few hundred of options

ROTFL - just what you need.

Amar Chaudhary wrote:

es i will implement that cause it is easier to learn when there few things distracting

Great. That was obvious to me when I taught myself C++, but nowadays, people mostly laugh at me for suggesting it.

Christian Graus - C++ MVP 'Why don't we jump on a fad that hasn't already been widely discredited ?' - Dilbert

El Corazon

Amar Chaudhary wrote:

high-level programming language in widespread use today

because it is still used in AI, even more than Prolog even though Prolog was "supposed" to be better, plus it is used in script interpreters for a couple of professional programs which will remain nameless.... It's fun, when you have the right mindset (I think people call me insane when I say things like that), otherwise, it's difficult. :) Personally I find LISP, Forth, Prolog and a few other odd languages intriguing, but I am computer multi-lingual.... Now if only I could learn Spanish.... :rolleyes:

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

Scott Dorman

Christian Graus wrote:

Amar Chaudhary wrote: es i will implement that cause it is easier to learn when there few things distracting Great. That was obvious to me when I taught myself C++, but nowadays, people mostly laugh at me for suggesting it.

Perhaps the most important way to learn a new language. Programming GUI's may be the more "glamorous" thing to do, but it distracts you from actually learning how to do things in the language. It's relatively easy to learn that you must attach an event handler to a button (something most of the IDEs do for you anyway) in order to get it to actually do something...it's much harder to learn how to get it to actually do that "something".

----------------------------- In just two days, tomorrow will be yesterday.

Amar Chaudhary

sounds cool a must look :):)

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Okay, here's the post you've all been waiting for. Why not Plain English? Your dad will be writing simple programs with it the first day, and won't have to change languages even when he wants to write significant applications like page editors and compilers later on. And we can pretty much guarantee that the syntax he learns - whoops! already knows - won't be obsolete in several years. Besides, as we've mentioned numerous times before, our product was developed with the beginner (as well as the professional) specifically in mind. It's small. Fast. Friendly. Inexpensive. Easy to install. Remarkably simple yet surprisingly deep. And now, to sweeten the pot, let me propose a test. We'll supply a copy of Plain English at no charge, and you set your dad up with some kind of C# environment. After a week or two with each, we ask him what he thinks and post his thoughts here on CodeProject. What do you say - no, let me take that back. What does he say to this offer?