That's it, I'm ditching CVS!
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I hate it too. I have worked at quite a few places that prefer it simply because it is free. I have found it adequate at archiving, but its feature set for identifying changes and such when someone on your team checks in a large number of files and breaks the build is seriously lacking.
And isn't Subversion as free as CVS?
[]'s Harkos --- "Money isn't our god, integrity will free our soul." Cut Throat - Sepultura
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FYI: The workgroup edition is included in all VS2005 TE MSDN subscriptions. If you don't have one then that's not much use, but it might help someone.
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music to programmers listen to?
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Sleep deprivation does not cause physical harm. Humans can only survive about a week without sleep before flat out dying. - Espeir Logic Prism.David Wulff wrote:
FYI: The workgroup edition is included in all VS2005 TE MSDN subscriptions.
Really ? I've got a brand new MSDN Professional Subst (still waiting for the DVD's) and I 'm not allowed to download the Vs2005 Team Edition (only the Professional one that comes with no Source Control as far as I know). For now I'm a "one man developper" so I don't need any collaboration tool but I could use some versioning (something better than backups ;P) Do I miss the point ?
Ciao Marco
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Subversion is really slick! Branching, merging, versioning, etc, just became a whole lot easier. I'm switching Real Soon NowTM. :cool: If you haven't checked out Subversion yet, do. Don't forget TortoiseSVN (A shell extension which puts its cousin TortoiseCVS into shame!).
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And isn't Subversion as free as CVS?
[]'s Harkos --- "Money isn't our god, integrity will free our soul." Cut Throat - Sepultura
The point is that CVS has stumbled along and at least Subversion has made clear improvements.
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Subversion is really slick!
Ah, phooey. I like CVS. I guess the next project I'll try Subversion. I just couldn't get my head wrapped around their suggested setup. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithI had two problems with CVS - first it is ok with a few people but as a team grows things get out of sync, the server gets resource leaks etc. and ssecond it is difficult to keep everyone on the same version of tools (esp. the command line tools). Elaine :rose:
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Welcome to the fold A word of warning though: do not ever, even for a second, consider trying to run Ankh (Visual Studio Integrated SVN tool), it is spawn of the seventh gate of hell.
I didn't plan to. I've never ever liked the idea of having SCM built into the IDE. In my experience, it has always been in my way. I did like WinCVS though. I see there is something called RapidSVN, but unfortunately it doesn't look like it's anywhere near WinCVS featurewise. On the other hand, TortoiseSVN seems mature enough. If everything fails, there's always the command line tools. :) Thanks for the heads up though. Much appreciated!
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We are using Tortoise with CVS at work, 4 person team. I would like some VS 2005 integration if there is it, anyone suggest the best free add in? Also I look at SVN but apparently it's a b1tch to setup on a Windows box for server/client. Any quick dirty installers, tutorials that do the trick? Thanks
m3ntat_ wrote:
Also I look at SVN but apparently it's a b1tch to setup on a Windows box for server/client. Any quick dirty installers, tutorials that do the trick?
Take a look in the TortoiseSVN docs. It's got a chapter on how you install svnserve (the standalone server) as a service. I had no problems installing it on a Windows XP/2003 box. Be sure to take notice of the command line syntax for "SC". The equal sign must be placed like this "SC Argument= value". Notice the extra whitespace after the equal sign and before the value. Other than that, the installation process was straightforward. To create repositories etc, just use TortoiseSVN - works like a charm.
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Subversion is really slick! Branching, merging, versioning, etc, just became a whole lot easier. I'm switching Real Soon NowTM. :cool: If you haven't checked out Subversion yet, do. Don't forget TortoiseSVN (A shell extension which puts its cousin TortoiseCVS into shame!).
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There's also AnkhSVN - a handy open source VS .NET plugin that allows you to integrate SVN just like VSS. http://ankhsvn.tigris.org/
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Subversion is really slick! Branching, merging, versioning, etc, just became a whole lot easier. I'm switching Real Soon NowTM. :cool: If you haven't checked out Subversion yet, do. Don't forget TortoiseSVN (A shell extension which puts its cousin TortoiseCVS into shame!).
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
I'm switching
Welcome to the group. :-) I am curious how your conversion goes from CVS.
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About time, CVS is the worst system I've used. Elaine (progressive fluffy tigress)
Trollslayer wrote:
About time, CVS is the worst system I've used.
Apparently you've never used VSS.
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
I'm switching
Welcome to the group. :-) I am curious how your conversion goes from CVS.
- Nick Parker Microsoft MVP - Visual C#
My Blog | My ArticlesRCS just wouln't cope with some of the binary files in my repository. I'm going to ditch the revision history on those files (there aren't any for them basically) by adding them as new files in the new SVN repository. The python script isn't the fastest script in the world. It's been going for 2 hours now, and it's up to revision 812 out of 1299 for one of my CVS modules. I am going to split up my CVS modules into several SVN repositories. I find it ludicrous that files in one project affects the revision of files in totally unrelated projects. It will also cut down on the running time of the cvs2svn script. I anticipate that the conversion will finish at around 18:20 this evening. I suppose I'll have to work from home a little. :)
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David Wulff wrote:
FYI: The workgroup edition is included in all VS2005 TE MSDN subscriptions.
Really ? I've got a brand new MSDN Professional Subst (still waiting for the DVD's) and I 'm not allowed to download the Vs2005 Team Edition (only the Professional one that comes with no Source Control as far as I know). For now I'm a "one man developper" so I don't need any collaboration tool but I could use some versioning (something better than backups ;P) Do I miss the point ?
Ciao Marco
Marco [Stinger] wrote:
and I 'm not allowed to download the Vs2005 Team Edition
You don't have one of the team subscriptions so you won't get it.
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music to programmers listen to?
Join the Code Project Last.fm group | dwulff
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Subversion is really slick! Branching, merging, versioning, etc, just became a whole lot easier. I'm switching Real Soon NowTM. :cool: If you haven't checked out Subversion yet, do. Don't forget TortoiseSVN (A shell extension which puts its cousin TortoiseCVS into shame!).
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My team have particularly found SVN great for geographically distributed development efforts. We also like the fact that it sits outside of Visual Studio, meaning Visual Studio doesn't get to stuff things up with its crappy source control integration. (Of course, if you _need_ the source control integration for some unimaginable reason, there are tools out there that integrate SVN with Visual Studio.) I can't recommend SVN highly enough!!
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Subversion is really slick! Branching, merging, versioning, etc, just became a whole lot easier. I'm switching Real Soon NowTM. :cool: If you haven't checked out Subversion yet, do. Don't forget TortoiseSVN (A shell extension which puts its cousin TortoiseCVS into shame!).
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Did you get Tortoise running successfully without having Explorer start crashing? It works great, but I just got to have a working Windows Explorer :/ So for now, I have it uninstalled and just use the command line which is still great, because I love having source control on my home system. Steve
"Just trust yourself, then you will know how to live." - Goethe
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Did you get Tortoise running successfully without having Explorer start crashing? It works great, but I just got to have a working Windows Explorer :/ So for now, I have it uninstalled and just use the command line which is still great, because I love having source control on my home system. Steve
"Just trust yourself, then you will know how to live." - Goethe
Yeah, no problems with Tortoise at all. Perhaps your Windows Explorer is borked?
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VSTS is also pretty cool :-)
Christian Graus - C++ MVP 'Why don't we jump on a fad that hasn't already been widely discredited ?' - Dilbert
What is the command line support like with VSTS? I love svn over the command line.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
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David Wulff wrote:
FYI: The workgroup edition is included in all VS2005 TE MSDN subscriptions.
Really ? I've got a brand new MSDN Professional Subst (still waiting for the DVD's) and I 'm not allowed to download the Vs2005 Team Edition (only the Professional one that comes with no Source Control as far as I know). For now I'm a "one man developper" so I don't need any collaboration tool but I could use some versioning (something better than backups ;P) Do I miss the point ?
Ciao Marco
Perforce has a free limited user download you may want to check out. from perforce download page[^]: Licensing You may use software downloaded from Perforce for any purpose you want and for as long as you like. The Perforce Server supports only two users and five client workspaces unless used with a Perforce License. We will be happy to issue you a free Evaluation License to remove the user/workspace restrictions for a limited time. And no, I do NOT work for Perforce. ;) David
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We are using Tortoise with CVS at work, 4 person team. I would like some VS 2005 integration if there is it, anyone suggest the best free add in? Also I look at SVN but apparently it's a b1tch to setup on a Windows box for server/client. Any quick dirty installers, tutorials that do the trick? Thanks
Try AnkhSvn - http://ankhsvn.tigris.org/ Works quite good. Although I like Tortoise better. Rashack
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Perforce has a free limited user download you may want to check out. from perforce download page[^]: Licensing You may use software downloaded from Perforce for any purpose you want and for as long as you like. The Perforce Server supports only two users and five client workspaces unless used with a Perforce License. We will be happy to issue you a free Evaluation License to remove the user/workspace restrictions for a limited time. And no, I do NOT work for Perforce. ;) David
Thanks a lot, I'm going to give it a try Ciao Marco
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What is the command line support like with VSTS? I love svn over the command line.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
Paul Watson wrote:
What is the command line support like with VSTS? I love svn over the command line.
Why on God's Earth why? The most logical place for any version control to be is to be available whilst looking at your solution in VS2005. Historically we've used Sourcesafe 6 for our Delphi products (which wasn't as integrated but at least you got a GUI), and we're just beginning a massive rewrite in C#.NET. We couldn't really justify a move to VSTS (not that big), so we appraised (but rejected) CVS + Subversion as they just didn't integrate into VS2005 as well as the plug-in for our legacy SS6. We know there are issues with SS6 (some of which are overcome in SS2005), but we just don't see the need to move to something else (when we've happily been able to trust SS6 for 8 years or so). What can you possibly do with a command line interface which wouldn't better be served by a decent GUI interface or better still a source control system which is well integrated into the IDE? p.s. Pre-SS6 we used a command line based system - hated it!