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    Rohde
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    I just saw this one: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2072587,00.asp[^] I sure hope they've made C++ tolerable to code in.


    "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." - Paul Erdos (1913-1996)

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      I just saw this one: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2072587,00.asp[^] I sure hope they've made C++ tolerable to code in.


      "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." - Paul Erdos (1913-1996)

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      Wouldn't it be nice if they could release a bug free version? [edit] From the article: which features fixes for user-reported issues. Ah, so they're still sitting on all the bugs we haven't reported yet! :rolleyes: [/edit] [edit2] Oh, this article is SOOO juicy. For developers using Visual Studio 2005 on Windows Vista, Microsoft is working on an update to Visual Studio 2005 SP1 called the Visual Studio 2005 SP1 Update for Windows Vista. In other words, VS 2005 SP1-SP1. Or if you prefer, VS2005SP1UWV :rolleyes: This must all be part of the "Vista Experience". The Visual Studio 2005 SP1 Update for Windows Vista is expected to ship in the first quarter of 2007, after the consumer launch of Vista Hehe. Consumers first! We certainly don't want our devs using Vista for software development. Oh no. That would be, awkward! We are working with the Vista team to understand those, to provide workarounds where possible and also work on providing you with a set of fixes beyond SP1. We had a choice to make internally—hold up VS 2005 SP1 till we get the fixes in or decouple and ship VS 2005 SP1 as soon as possible knowing that we have to provide fixes for some of those Vista compatibility issues later. Based on your feedback of having SP1 for VS 2005 soon, we decided to separate the two In other words, the left hand doesn't know what the frack the right hand is doing nor does the right hand know how it can remove itself from it's current position lodged up the arse of a total boondoggle. Marc

      Thyme In The Country

      People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
      There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
      People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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        I just saw this one: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2072587,00.asp[^] I sure hope they've made C++ tolerable to code in.


        "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." - Paul Erdos (1913-1996)

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        Judah Gabriel Himango
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        Ok, so they've released VS 2005 SP1. Where's the download?

        Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Guess who's having a birthday? (It's not Jesus) The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango

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          Wouldn't it be nice if they could release a bug free version? [edit] From the article: which features fixes for user-reported issues. Ah, so they're still sitting on all the bugs we haven't reported yet! :rolleyes: [/edit] [edit2] Oh, this article is SOOO juicy. For developers using Visual Studio 2005 on Windows Vista, Microsoft is working on an update to Visual Studio 2005 SP1 called the Visual Studio 2005 SP1 Update for Windows Vista. In other words, VS 2005 SP1-SP1. Or if you prefer, VS2005SP1UWV :rolleyes: This must all be part of the "Vista Experience". The Visual Studio 2005 SP1 Update for Windows Vista is expected to ship in the first quarter of 2007, after the consumer launch of Vista Hehe. Consumers first! We certainly don't want our devs using Vista for software development. Oh no. That would be, awkward! We are working with the Vista team to understand those, to provide workarounds where possible and also work on providing you with a set of fixes beyond SP1. We had a choice to make internally—hold up VS 2005 SP1 till we get the fixes in or decouple and ship VS 2005 SP1 as soon as possible knowing that we have to provide fixes for some of those Vista compatibility issues later. Based on your feedback of having SP1 for VS 2005 soon, we decided to separate the two In other words, the left hand doesn't know what the frack the right hand is doing nor does the right hand know how it can remove itself from it's current position lodged up the arse of a total boondoggle. Marc

          Thyme In The Country

          People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
          There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
          People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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          I know where you're coming from on this but it's not entirely fair to say that anyone can release software with no bugs in it, we all know that will never happen. I can only imagine the complexity of releasing a new OS and having to make it work with every windows application on the planet let alone all the ones in your own company. It's doable but as long as MS is tied to marketing schedules and not technological ones and as long as they keep with the muddled development process they seem to have backed themselves into it's inevitable. It's very nearly time to see a complete rethink of the whole software development process, it's getting way to complex technically to even imagine this is all headed towards a good place. As complexity increases the potential for bugs and incompatibility increases exponentially along with it. If MS were smart they'd devote some major research to going over their entire product line, winnowing it down to the essentials, the desiging and building a whole new OS from scratch and all those apps from scratch. It will never happen I imagine, but it's the way to go forward and get out of the corner they've painted themselves into. Or maybe even split off the OS division entirely since it's in effect what they have now and make the OS division in charge and the apps divisions have to make their apps work with whatever the OS division puts out.

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            I know where you're coming from on this but it's not entirely fair to say that anyone can release software with no bugs in it, we all know that will never happen. I can only imagine the complexity of releasing a new OS and having to make it work with every windows application on the planet let alone all the ones in your own company. It's doable but as long as MS is tied to marketing schedules and not technological ones and as long as they keep with the muddled development process they seem to have backed themselves into it's inevitable. It's very nearly time to see a complete rethink of the whole software development process, it's getting way to complex technically to even imagine this is all headed towards a good place. As complexity increases the potential for bugs and incompatibility increases exponentially along with it. If MS were smart they'd devote some major research to going over their entire product line, winnowing it down to the essentials, the desiging and building a whole new OS from scratch and all those apps from scratch. It will never happen I imagine, but it's the way to go forward and get out of the corner they've painted themselves into. Or maybe even split off the OS division entirely since it's in effect what they have now and make the OS division in charge and the apps divisions have to make their apps work with whatever the OS division puts out.

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            John Cardinal wrote:

            release software with no bugs in it, we all know that will never happen.

            I beg to differ:

            #include <stdio.h>

            int main(int argc, char **argv)
            {
                printf("Hello World!\n");
                return 0;
            }

            ;P

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              Ok, so they've released VS 2005 SP1. Where's the download?

              Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Guess who's having a birthday? (It's not Jesus) The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango

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              Just what I was wondering :~

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                Wouldn't it be nice if they could release a bug free version? [edit] From the article: which features fixes for user-reported issues. Ah, so they're still sitting on all the bugs we haven't reported yet! :rolleyes: [/edit] [edit2] Oh, this article is SOOO juicy. For developers using Visual Studio 2005 on Windows Vista, Microsoft is working on an update to Visual Studio 2005 SP1 called the Visual Studio 2005 SP1 Update for Windows Vista. In other words, VS 2005 SP1-SP1. Or if you prefer, VS2005SP1UWV :rolleyes: This must all be part of the "Vista Experience". The Visual Studio 2005 SP1 Update for Windows Vista is expected to ship in the first quarter of 2007, after the consumer launch of Vista Hehe. Consumers first! We certainly don't want our devs using Vista for software development. Oh no. That would be, awkward! We are working with the Vista team to understand those, to provide workarounds where possible and also work on providing you with a set of fixes beyond SP1. We had a choice to make internally—hold up VS 2005 SP1 till we get the fixes in or decouple and ship VS 2005 SP1 as soon as possible knowing that we have to provide fixes for some of those Vista compatibility issues later. Based on your feedback of having SP1 for VS 2005 soon, we decided to separate the two In other words, the left hand doesn't know what the frack the right hand is doing nor does the right hand know how it can remove itself from it's current position lodged up the arse of a total boondoggle. Marc

                Thyme In The Country

                People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                Christian Graus
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                Marc Clifton wrote:

                h features fixes for user-reported issues.

                In other words, they might finally fix the issues that plague me to this day, and that they told me were features when I reported them prior to release ?

                Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog

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                  Ok, so they've released VS 2005 SP1. Where's the download?

                  Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Guess who's having a birthday? (It's not Jesus) The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango

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                  Patience, grasshopper... patience. :)

                  "I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image." - Stephen Hawking

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                    I know where you're coming from on this but it's not entirely fair to say that anyone can release software with no bugs in it, we all know that will never happen. I can only imagine the complexity of releasing a new OS and having to make it work with every windows application on the planet let alone all the ones in your own company. It's doable but as long as MS is tied to marketing schedules and not technological ones and as long as they keep with the muddled development process they seem to have backed themselves into it's inevitable. It's very nearly time to see a complete rethink of the whole software development process, it's getting way to complex technically to even imagine this is all headed towards a good place. As complexity increases the potential for bugs and incompatibility increases exponentially along with it. If MS were smart they'd devote some major research to going over their entire product line, winnowing it down to the essentials, the desiging and building a whole new OS from scratch and all those apps from scratch. It will never happen I imagine, but it's the way to go forward and get out of the corner they've painted themselves into. Or maybe even split off the OS division entirely since it's in effect what they have now and make the OS division in charge and the apps divisions have to make their apps work with whatever the OS division puts out.

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                    Kevin McFarlane
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                    John Cardinal wrote:

                    desiging and building a whole new OS from scratch

                    They have one in MS Research, built with reliability and security in mind. It's called Singularity. Probably won't see use beyond specialised apps. though.

                    Kevin

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                      John Cardinal wrote:

                      release software with no bugs in it, we all know that will never happen.

                      I beg to differ:

                      #include <stdio.h>

                      int main(int argc, char **argv)
                      {
                          printf("Hello World!\n");
                          return 0;
                      }

                      ;P

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                      codemunkeh
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                      for all i know about C(++), but that code fails if stdio.h isn't available, due to it not being there, or even a hardware failure ;P (my hard drive with my test copy of Vista on it blew up a while ago) maybe we should say that any purposeful program will never work given certain operating conditions...? or maybe i'm getting miles off track.

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                        for all i know about C(++), but that code fails if stdio.h isn't available, due to it not being there, or even a hardware failure ;P (my hard drive with my test copy of Vista on it blew up a while ago) maybe we should say that any purposeful program will never work given certain operating conditions...? or maybe i'm getting miles off track.

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                        Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:

                        but that code fails if stdio.h isn't available

                        No, it won't fail, the compiler will fail and therefore you can't have released it if you havn't compiled it.

                        Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:

                        even a hardware failure

                        Then that's not this program which has the bug, did the bug cause the crash?

                        Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:

                        any purposeful program will never work given certain operating conditions...?

                        Aww come on, you're saying that Hello World! doesn't have a purpose.  Why's it been used for the last 20+ years as the first piece of code in almost every single book ever published on programming. :rolleyes:

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                          Patience, grasshopper... patience. :)

                          "I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image." - Stephen Hawking

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                          m3ntat_
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                          Is this still only Beta? Found some stuff here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/results.aspx?pocId=&freetext=Visual%20Studio%202005%20Service%20Pack%201&DisplayLang=en[^]

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                            I just saw this one: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2072587,00.asp[^] I sure hope they've made C++ tolerable to code in.


                            "A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." - Paul Erdos (1913-1996)

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                            Guy Harwood
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                            seems there is only links for TS, TFS and express editions. anyone know why the pro one hasnt turned up yet? :confused:

                            ---Guy H (;-)---

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                              seems there is only links for TS, TFS and express editions. anyone know why the pro one hasnt turned up yet? :confused:

                              ---Guy H (;-)---

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                              Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                              If in with the TFS download.

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                              • C Christian Graus

                                Marc Clifton wrote:

                                h features fixes for user-reported issues.

                                In other words, they might finally fix the issues that plague me to this day, and that they told me were features when I reported them prior to release ?

                                Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog

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                                JamminJimE
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                                Christian Graus wrote:

                                In other words, they might finally fix the issues that plague me to this day

                                I hope for your sake they fix your problems. They sure haven't fixed mine. I got my hands on one of their fixes for VS2005 a couple of months ago from a friend who had another friend working for MS. Since then, I have started having IDE issues. No surprise, but the fix made it worse! Microsoft has a fix for this NEW problem with my IDE, but they aren't releasing it. I have access to the HotFix Beta site (or whatever they call it) for VS2005, but this fix isn't there. :wtf: You have to CALL Microsoft (or email them) to get this fix. The part that frustrates me is that I am using my MSDN license (not for production) and they don't consider that eligible for this particular hotfix. KB926405. I can't find it anywhere and have tried everything I can. I thought maybe it was just my license and had another developer with MSDN Universal (don't remember what they renamed it to!) try to get the patch with the same luck. If I still worked for the last company, at least I might be able to get my hands on the fix!

                                JamminJimE Microsoft Certified Application Developer.NET

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                                  Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:

                                  but that code fails if stdio.h isn't available

                                  No, it won't fail, the compiler will fail and therefore you can't have released it if you havn't compiled it.

                                  Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:

                                  even a hardware failure

                                  Then that's not this program which has the bug, did the bug cause the crash?

                                  Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:

                                  any purposeful program will never work given certain operating conditions...?

                                  Aww come on, you're saying that Hello World! doesn't have a purpose.  Why's it been used for the last 20+ years as the first piece of code in almost every single book ever published on programming. :rolleyes:

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                                  codemunkeh
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                                  [evaporates from shame] with "Hello World", in Scotland there's a temptation to use "See you, Jimmy!" i'll stick to being a quiet little VB student, and i'll get on with my minor school projects which are due in 7 days :omg:

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                                    [evaporates from shame] with "Hello World", in Scotland there's a temptation to use "See you, Jimmy!" i'll stick to being a quiet little VB student, and i'll get on with my minor school projects which are due in 7 days :omg:

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                                    Ed Poore
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                                    Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:

                                    quiet

                                    Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:

                                    VB

                                    Is there such a thing? :rolleyes:

                                    Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:

                                    i'll get on with my minor school projects which are due in 7 days

                                    You mean you've actually started a project more than the night before it's due? :wtf:

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                                    • J Judah Gabriel Himango

                                      Ok, so they've released VS 2005 SP1. Where's the download?

                                      Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Guess who's having a birthday? (It's not Jesus) The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango

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                                      scorpydude
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                                      Get off your arse and do a google you lazy man/women. http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/support/vs2005sp1/default.aspx[^]

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                                        Get off your arse and do a google you lazy man/women. http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/support/vs2005sp1/default.aspx[^]

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                                        Judah Gabriel Himango
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                                        I did, however, since SP1 was released just hour before posting this, Google hadn't indexed it yet.

                                        Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Guess who's having a birthday? (It's not Jesus) The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango

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