Microsoft Releases Bug-Fix Version of Visual Studio 2005
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Ok, so they've released VS 2005 SP1. Where's the download?
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Patience, grasshopper... patience. :)
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I know where you're coming from on this but it's not entirely fair to say that anyone can release software with no bugs in it, we all know that will never happen. I can only imagine the complexity of releasing a new OS and having to make it work with every windows application on the planet let alone all the ones in your own company. It's doable but as long as MS is tied to marketing schedules and not technological ones and as long as they keep with the muddled development process they seem to have backed themselves into it's inevitable. It's very nearly time to see a complete rethink of the whole software development process, it's getting way to complex technically to even imagine this is all headed towards a good place. As complexity increases the potential for bugs and incompatibility increases exponentially along with it. If MS were smart they'd devote some major research to going over their entire product line, winnowing it down to the essentials, the desiging and building a whole new OS from scratch and all those apps from scratch. It will never happen I imagine, but it's the way to go forward and get out of the corner they've painted themselves into. Or maybe even split off the OS division entirely since it's in effect what they have now and make the OS division in charge and the apps divisions have to make their apps work with whatever the OS division puts out.
John Cardinal wrote:
desiging and building a whole new OS from scratch
They have one in MS Research, built with reliability and security in mind. It's called Singularity. Probably won't see use beyond specialised apps. though.
Kevin
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John Cardinal wrote:
release software with no bugs in it, we all know that will never happen.
I beg to differ:
#include <stdio.h>
int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
printf("Hello World!\n");
return 0;
};P
for all i know about C(++), but that code fails if stdio.h isn't available, due to it not being there, or even a hardware failure ;P (my hard drive with my test copy of Vista on it blew up a while ago) maybe we should say that any purposeful program will never work given certain operating conditions...? or maybe i'm getting miles off track.
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for all i know about C(++), but that code fails if stdio.h isn't available, due to it not being there, or even a hardware failure ;P (my hard drive with my test copy of Vista on it blew up a while ago) maybe we should say that any purposeful program will never work given certain operating conditions...? or maybe i'm getting miles off track.
Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:
but that code fails if stdio.h isn't available
No, it won't fail, the compiler will fail and therefore you can't have released it if you havn't compiled it.
Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:
even a hardware failure
Then that's not this program which has the bug, did the bug cause the crash?
Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:
any purposeful program will never work given certain operating conditions...?
Aww come on, you're saying that Hello World! doesn't have a purpose. Why's it been used for the last 20+ years as the first piece of code in almost every single book ever published on programming. :rolleyes:
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Patience, grasshopper... patience. :)
"I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image." - Stephen Hawking
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I just saw this one: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2072587,00.asp[^] I sure hope they've made C++ tolerable to code in.
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seems there is only links for TS, TFS and express editions. anyone know why the pro one hasnt turned up yet? :confused:
---Guy H (;-)---
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seems there is only links for TS, TFS and express editions. anyone know why the pro one hasnt turned up yet? :confused:
---Guy H (;-)---
If in with the TFS download.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
h features fixes for user-reported issues.
In other words, they might finally fix the issues that plague me to this day, and that they told me were features when I reported them prior to release ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
In other words, they might finally fix the issues that plague me to this day
I hope for your sake they fix your problems. They sure haven't fixed mine. I got my hands on one of their fixes for VS2005 a couple of months ago from a friend who had another friend working for MS. Since then, I have started having IDE issues. No surprise, but the fix made it worse! Microsoft has a fix for this NEW problem with my IDE, but they aren't releasing it. I have access to the HotFix Beta site (or whatever they call it) for VS2005, but this fix isn't there. :wtf: You have to CALL Microsoft (or email them) to get this fix. The part that frustrates me is that I am using my MSDN license (not for production) and they don't consider that eligible for this particular hotfix. KB926405. I can't find it anywhere and have tried everything I can. I thought maybe it was just my license and had another developer with MSDN Universal (don't remember what they renamed it to!) try to get the patch with the same luck. If I still worked for the last company, at least I might be able to get my hands on the fix!
JamminJimE Microsoft Certified Application Developer.NET
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Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:
but that code fails if stdio.h isn't available
No, it won't fail, the compiler will fail and therefore you can't have released it if you havn't compiled it.
Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:
even a hardware failure
Then that's not this program which has the bug, did the bug cause the crash?
Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:
any purposeful program will never work given certain operating conditions...?
Aww come on, you're saying that Hello World! doesn't have a purpose. Why's it been used for the last 20+ years as the first piece of code in almost every single book ever published on programming. :rolleyes:
[evaporates from shame] with "Hello World", in Scotland there's a temptation to use "See you, Jimmy!" i'll stick to being a quiet little VB student, and i'll get on with my minor school projects which are due in 7 days :omg:
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[evaporates from shame] with "Hello World", in Scotland there's a temptation to use "See you, Jimmy!" i'll stick to being a quiet little VB student, and i'll get on with my minor school projects which are due in 7 days :omg:
Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:
quiet
Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:
VB
Is there such a thing? :rolleyes:
Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:
i'll get on with my minor school projects which are due in 7 days
You mean you've actually started a project more than the night before it's due? :wtf:
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Ok, so they've released VS 2005 SP1. Where's the download?
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Get off your arse and do a google you lazy man/women. http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/support/vs2005sp1/default.aspx[^]
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Get off your arse and do a google you lazy man/women. http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/support/vs2005sp1/default.aspx[^]
I did, however, since SP1 was released just hour before posting this, Google hadn't indexed it yet.
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