Is this a good thing?
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Those aren't rules; those are "guidelines"
Semantics designed to divert attention, but it doesn't work! X|
The Grand Negus wrote:
at least in the United States
What makes you think anyone cares how things are done in the US? :rolleyes:
The Grand Negus wrote:
I wasn't asked to agree to anything when I joined here.
It was assumed, incorrectly with respect to you, that you were joining to benefit from interacting with a diverse group of people. :doh:
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
JimmyRopes wrote:
It was assumed, incorrectly with respect to you, that you were joining to benefit from interacting with a diverse group of people.
You're right. That's not why we joined, and that's not why we're still here. We're looking, as I've stated on many occasions, for disciples who want to learn our ways and help us with a very difficult and lengthy quest. See our brief Manifesto (www.osmosian.com/manifesto.pdf) for details. Our contribution to this site, nevertheless, is manifold: new and different ideas, lively discussions, sage advice, and free (and nearly-free) software suitable for detailed study and emulation. We've also written three articles that were, unfortunately, deleted.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Okay - I saw that thread before it was deleted and some of your other recent posts and I figured that at least you were staying on-topic. When the topic didn't directly invoke anything that could do with your Plain English compiler you didn't mention it. When it did mention something you did. Which I think is fair enough. So long as you are actively taking part in the site I don't have a problem with you mentioning your PE compiler from time-to-time. However, for some people I think it has become a bit like the boy who cried wolf. You cried out over and over about your Plain English compiler so often that people are tired of hearing about it. They want to ignore those comments and they want to remove them from the site, so they report it as spam. Just as in the story the villagers thought the boy was spamming them about the presence of a wolf. I think that because of the unfortunate reputation that you seem to have built up you need to be a bit more canny about mentioning your PE compiler.
Wouldn't it be better if the "some people" you mention could simply be as reasonable as you? Or are you so much better than these others that I shouldn't expect them to respond in the same fair and balanced way? Either you're right (in your response to my post) and they're wrong, or vice-versa. I think you're right, and therefore don't see any need to change. On the other hand, if if turns out that you're unusually and exeptionally and super-humanly meek and understanding and reasonable, and they're just "plain old folks", then I should change to meet these others where they are. The fact is, I don't think reading a post and judging it on its merits - or ignoring it with or without reading it (my name's in the title) - is a super-human feat in any context. And therefore I do expect my fellow men to act like you; in fact, I think it's their duty to do so.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Either you're right (in your response to my post) and they're wrong, or vice-versa. I think you're right, and therefore don't see any need to change. On the other hand, if if turns out that you're unusually and exeptionally and super-humanly meek and understanding and reasonable, and they're just "plain old folks", then I should change to meet these others where they are.
You just don't like to make friends do you?
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir
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JimmyRopes wrote:
It was assumed, incorrectly with respect to you, that you were joining to benefit from interacting with a diverse group of people.
You're right. That's not why we joined, and that's not why we're still here. We're looking, as I've stated on many occasions, for disciples who want to learn our ways and help us with a very difficult and lengthy quest. See our brief Manifesto (www.osmosian.com/manifesto.pdf) for details. Our contribution to this site, nevertheless, is manifold: new and different ideas, lively discussions, sage advice, and free (and nearly-free) software suitable for detailed study and emulation. We've also written three articles that were, unfortunately, deleted.
The Grand Negus wrote:
We're looking, as I've stated on many occasions, for disciples who want to learn our ways and help us with a very difficult and lengthy quest.
Therein lays your problem. :rolleyes:
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Either you're right (in your response to my post) and they're wrong, or vice-versa. I think you're right, and therefore don't see any need to change. On the other hand, if if turns out that you're unusually and exeptionally and super-humanly meek and understanding and reasonable, and they're just "plain old folks", then I should change to meet these others where they are.
You just don't like to make friends do you?
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir
I can't always be wrong ... or can I?CaveFox wrote:
You just don't like to make friends do you?
No, I don't. As I've said many times before on these forums, I'm not here to make friends; I'm looking for disciples. I'm not looking for people who fit in here - I'm looking for the ones who don't. I'm looking for a few choice individuals to help me develop something significant before I go the way of all flesh. People who can think clearly, unemotionally, and creatively with extreme focus. People, in short, who are willing to learn and able to get things done. I've got no time or interest in contentious, undisciplined, lazy, cowardly, beligerant, sloppy, or otherwise defective individuals who do not want to improve themselves and their situation. Been there, done that. Waste of time.
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So you are unemployed then? -- modified at 10:21 Monday 1st January, 2007
Brad Australian -CAUTION- The previous statement may contain traces of PHP, and by reading this statement you negate the right to vote me down.
LOL...no I'm employed.
"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, `Who is destroying the world?' You are."
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CaveFox wrote:
You just don't like to make friends do you?
No, I don't. As I've said many times before on these forums, I'm not here to make friends; I'm looking for disciples. I'm not looking for people who fit in here - I'm looking for the ones who don't. I'm looking for a few choice individuals to help me develop something significant before I go the way of all flesh. People who can think clearly, unemotionally, and creatively with extreme focus. People, in short, who are willing to learn and able to get things done. I've got no time or interest in contentious, undisciplined, lazy, cowardly, beligerant, sloppy, or otherwise defective individuals who do not want to improve themselves and their situation. Been there, done that. Waste of time.
The Grand Negus wrote:
People, in short, who are willing to learn and able to get things done. I've got no time or interest in contentious, undisciplined, lazy, cowardly, beligerant, sloppy, or otherwise defective individuals who do not want to improve themselves and their situation
And who decides who is "undisciplined, lazy, cowardly, belligerent, sloppy, or otherwise defective individuals"? You have no idea who I am (or any other person in this forum). Basically what is comes down to ... you think you are better than us? Every body has their own ideas/ideals and if they don't like you "helping people to understand your product" let it be. I checked some of your posts (and maybe you should read some of it your self) and almost every one has the words "Plain English" in it. If you find it so damn frustrating to add to the codeproject experience then leave? It's not that hard.
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir
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JimmyRopes wrote:
Making obscure references to the bible are offensive to some; including me.
If we remove everything that is offensive to anyone, there will be nothing left. The Bible is a well known piece of literature and saying that it shouldn't be referenced here (or anywhere) is ridiculous - if the exact words I'm looking for are in there, why shouldn't I quote them? It's called "free speech", and disallowing such free speech on a public forum is called "religious discrimination" which, in my country, is considered a crime.
JimmyRopes wrote:
Please show some compassion to your fellow “loungers” who have very different belief systems and respect the diversity that is the lounge.
But you've just shown a lack of "compassion" regarding my beliefs and you've further attempted to reduce the diversity of the lounge by disallowing a quote from one of the most famous and widely-read books in the world! Censorship is censorship, whether you're censoring a popular and well-known work or something more obscure.
JimmyRopes wrote:
Did it ever occur to you that it may be considered advertising?
No. There was nothing in the post except a free offer of help.
The Grand Negus wrote:
If we remove everything that is offensive to anyone, there will be nothing left.
There are appropriate forums on this site, namely the Soap Box, where you can be as offensive as you like. :rolleyes:
The Grand Negus wrote:
The Bible is a well known piece of literature and saying that it shouldn't be referenced here (or anywhere) is ridiculous
Soap Box! :rolleyes:
The Grand Negus wrote:
It's called "free speech", and disallowing such free speech on a public forum is called "religious discrimination" which, in my country, is considered a crime.
Does it ever occur to you that people may not care how the US does things? :doh: When did CP move to the US? :omg: Are the rest of the world still invited or is it an exclusive US club these days? :rolleyes:
The Grand Negus wrote:
But you've just shown a lack of "compassion" regarding my beliefs and you've further attempted to reduce the diversity of the lounge by disallowing a quote from one of the most famous and widely-read books in the world!
Soap Box! :rolleyes:
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
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The Grand Negus wrote:
People, in short, who are willing to learn and able to get things done. I've got no time or interest in contentious, undisciplined, lazy, cowardly, beligerant, sloppy, or otherwise defective individuals who do not want to improve themselves and their situation
And who decides who is "undisciplined, lazy, cowardly, belligerent, sloppy, or otherwise defective individuals"? You have no idea who I am (or any other person in this forum). Basically what is comes down to ... you think you are better than us? Every body has their own ideas/ideals and if they don't like you "helping people to understand your product" let it be. I checked some of your posts (and maybe you should read some of it your self) and almost every one has the words "Plain English" in it. If you find it so damn frustrating to add to the codeproject experience then leave? It's not that hard.
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir
I can't always be wrong ... or can I?CaveFox wrote:
And who decides who is "undisciplined, lazy, cowardly, belligerent, sloppy, or otherwise defective individuals"?
Everybody and anybody, based (hopefully) on the evidence available to them. People make judgements about other people all the time. You, for example, have made a number of judgements about me based on my posts here.
CaveFox wrote:
almost every one has the words "Plain English" in it.
Right. That is the product that we are offering as "proof of concept" regarding our theories, our practices, and our goals. It appears in nearly every post because we're looking for people who are interested in those theories, practices, and goals, as I've said before.
CaveFox wrote:
If you find it so damn frustrating to add to the codeproject experience then leave? It's not that hard.
But we have and are "adding to the CodeProject experience". Just not in the usual or expected way (diversity is a great thing, yes?). As I've said elsewhere in this thread, our contribution to this site is unique and manifold: new and different ideas, lively discussions, sage advice, and free (and nearly-free) software suitable for detailed study and emulation. We've also written three articles that were, unfortunately, deleted.
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The Grand Negus wrote:
If we remove everything that is offensive to anyone, there will be nothing left.
There are appropriate forums on this site, namely the Soap Box, where you can be as offensive as you like. :rolleyes:
The Grand Negus wrote:
The Bible is a well known piece of literature and saying that it shouldn't be referenced here (or anywhere) is ridiculous
Soap Box! :rolleyes:
The Grand Negus wrote:
It's called "free speech", and disallowing such free speech on a public forum is called "religious discrimination" which, in my country, is considered a crime.
Does it ever occur to you that people may not care how the US does things? :doh: When did CP move to the US? :omg: Are the rest of the world still invited or is it an exclusive US club these days? :rolleyes:
The Grand Negus wrote:
But you've just shown a lack of "compassion" regarding my beliefs and you've further attempted to reduce the diversity of the lounge by disallowing a quote from one of the most famous and widely-read books in the world!
Soap Box! :rolleyes:
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
JimmyRopes wrote:
Does it ever occur to you that people may not care how the US does things?
Sure. But I'm not saying free speech is good because it exists in the USA; I'm saying it's good in general, for all men; the USA is just an example of the policy at work. I'm not saying the right to express religious views is good because it exists in the USA; I'm saying it's good thing in general, for all men; the USA is just an example of the policy at work. There are many things right and wrong about any country. But unnecessarily and artificially limiting who can say what, where and when is definitely a step in the wrong direction that should be resisted by all good men.
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CaveFox wrote:
And who decides who is "undisciplined, lazy, cowardly, belligerent, sloppy, or otherwise defective individuals"?
Everybody and anybody, based (hopefully) on the evidence available to them. People make judgements about other people all the time. You, for example, have made a number of judgements about me based on my posts here.
CaveFox wrote:
almost every one has the words "Plain English" in it.
Right. That is the product that we are offering as "proof of concept" regarding our theories, our practices, and our goals. It appears in nearly every post because we're looking for people who are interested in those theories, practices, and goals, as I've said before.
CaveFox wrote:
If you find it so damn frustrating to add to the codeproject experience then leave? It's not that hard.
But we have and are "adding to the CodeProject experience". Just not in the usual or expected way (diversity is a great thing, yes?). As I've said elsewhere in this thread, our contribution to this site is unique and manifold: new and different ideas, lively discussions, sage advice, and free (and nearly-free) software suitable for detailed study and emulation. We've also written three articles that were, unfortunately, deleted.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Everybody and anybody, based (hopefully) on the evidence available to them. People make judgements about other people all the time. You, for example, have made a number of judgements about me based on my posts here. That is the product that we are offering as "proof of concept" regarding our theories, our practices, and our goals. It appears in nearly every post because we're looking for people who are interested in those theories, practices, and goals, as I've said before.
I am sorry it was not intended to sound like that or judge you. I just meant to point out that your posts did kinda sound like advertising.
The Grand Negus wrote:
our contribution to this site is unique and manifold: new and different ideas
There is nothing wrong with that and people that don't like it might be close minded. Personally I always like to learn/try something new. If you need somebody to help test or preferably help code a module, feel free to contact me :-D
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Everybody and anybody, based (hopefully) on the evidence available to them. People make judgements about other people all the time. You, for example, have made a number of judgements about me based on my posts here. That is the product that we are offering as "proof of concept" regarding our theories, our practices, and our goals. It appears in nearly every post because we're looking for people who are interested in those theories, practices, and goals, as I've said before.
I am sorry it was not intended to sound like that or judge you. I just meant to point out that your posts did kinda sound like advertising.
The Grand Negus wrote:
our contribution to this site is unique and manifold: new and different ideas
There is nothing wrong with that and people that don't like it might be close minded. Personally I always like to learn/try something new. If you need somebody to help test or preferably help code a module, feel free to contact me :-D
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir
I can't always be wrong ... or can I?CaveFox wrote:
Personally I always like to learn/try something new.
Good.
CaveFox wrote:
If you need somebody to help test or preferably help code a module, feel free to contact me
All our code is written in Plain English, so the first step is to familiarize yourself with the development environment. If you're really interested, write me at help@osmosian.com and I'll get you started. And if you haven't already, read the Manifesto on our website (www.osmosian.com) to get a better idea of our goals and how we hope to achieve them.
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JimmyRopes wrote:
Does it ever occur to you that people may not care how the US does things?
Sure. But I'm not saying free speech is good because it exists in the USA; I'm saying it's good in general, for all men; the USA is just an example of the policy at work. I'm not saying the right to express religious views is good because it exists in the USA; I'm saying it's good thing in general, for all men; the USA is just an example of the policy at work. There are many things right and wrong about any country. But unnecessarily and artificially limiting who can say what, where and when is definitely a step in the wrong direction that should be resisted by all good men.
The Grand Negus wrote:
But I'm not saying free speech is good because it exists in the USA; I'm saying it's good in general, for all men; the USA is just an example of the policy at work.
Just don't say anything politically incorrect, say a racial slur, or a religious slight, or you may find out that the US pays lip service to free speech but the facts on the ground may be quite a different story.
The Grand Negus wrote:
I'm not saying the right to express religious views is good because it exists in the USA; I'm saying it's good thing in general, for all men; the USA is just an example of the policy at work.
Soap Box!
The Grand Negus wrote:
But unnecessarily and artificially limiting who can say what, where and when is definitely a step in the wrong direction that should be resisted by all good men.
That is one of the more lucid things I have ever heard you say, but again you miss the point. You are not limited as to what you can say in the appropriate forum. It is just that the lounge, by convention, isn't the place for open discussion on every topic. Does that make the lounge inherently evil? I think not! It just means that it is not open to free discourse, presumably, to make it a friendlier place for all the members of CP to relax. Would it be appropriate to go into a church and demand that the minister extend equal time to a discussion of devil worship? If you want spirited discussion go to the appropriate forum, don't try to mold the lounge into something it is not intended to be.
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
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The Grand Negus wrote:
But I'm not saying free speech is good because it exists in the USA; I'm saying it's good in general, for all men; the USA is just an example of the policy at work.
Just don't say anything politically incorrect, say a racial slur, or a religious slight, or you may find out that the US pays lip service to free speech but the facts on the ground may be quite a different story.
The Grand Negus wrote:
I'm not saying the right to express religious views is good because it exists in the USA; I'm saying it's good thing in general, for all men; the USA is just an example of the policy at work.
Soap Box!
The Grand Negus wrote:
But unnecessarily and artificially limiting who can say what, where and when is definitely a step in the wrong direction that should be resisted by all good men.
That is one of the more lucid things I have ever heard you say, but again you miss the point. You are not limited as to what you can say in the appropriate forum. It is just that the lounge, by convention, isn't the place for open discussion on every topic. Does that make the lounge inherently evil? I think not! It just means that it is not open to free discourse, presumably, to make it a friendlier place for all the members of CP to relax. Would it be appropriate to go into a church and demand that the minister extend equal time to a discussion of devil worship? If you want spirited discussion go to the appropriate forum, don't try to mold the lounge into something it is not intended to be.
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
JimmyRopes wrote:
If you want spirited discussion go to the appropriate forum, don't try to mold the lounge into something it is not intended to be.
Agreed. The problem I think, in this particular case, was that the thread got way off topic. And because (see below) I don't have a firm line in my head between "religious" and "secular" topics...
JimmyRopes wrote:
Would it be appropriate to go into a church and demand that the minister extend equal time to a discussion of devil worship?
I've pastored a home church for nearly 20 years now and I think church is exactly the place where a discussion of devil worship should take place! We've discussed pretty much anything and everything in our group... which is exactly why we abandoned the "organized church" for the home church setting in the first place.
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A couple of days ago a guy asked for assistance "getting over the beginner hump" in the General Discussions forum. He's a C# programmer; his request said, "I am looking for something that would walk a person through completion of a mildly complex program, starting from the design and planning phase and ending with a final release product." I offered to walk him through a re-write of our Plain English development system in C# - without cost or obligation. This offer was met, surprisingly, with strong resistance and nasty remarks from many; and - thankfully - with a few words of support from others. Fine; everyone has an opinion. But then the offer was "reported as spam or abuse" and deleted by the powers that be. Is this a good thing?
Here we go again. We have discussed this with you so many times it's on the point of being ridiculous. Let me summarise some of your posts below. "It's the reference manual that comes with our product, together with the source code for a significant working example, and which was offered here, to any member, for free, for eight consecutive months." The Code Project is a place to post Visual Studio and .NET articles, with the aim being to share source code so that other developers can learn how to code. We do not support articles that do not provide full source code (apart from a small number of older articles that we like so much we don't have the heart to remove), or articles that do not focus on Visual Studio and .NET. This isn't because we don't like other languages or technologies, but rather because we have chosen to focus and not be a "every technology under the sun" site. Post full source code for your compiler, for free, in a form that is compatible with Visual Studio and you can post as many articles as you want and answer questions in forums with reference to your article. "There are no rules on this site. ... Those aren't rules; those are "guidelines". Rules for behavior must be agreed to by the governed (or their representatives) before they become effective" You're confusing rules with a contract (and simply being argumentative). We have rules and we have explained them again and again. If you want me to provide you with a contract for you to sign before you can use our site then fine. That just really weirds me out, though, that you honetly feel this way. "The owner does not, in my opinion, have the "right to edit or otherwise alter any post or content" because that, in effect, may put words in the poster's mouth that are not an accurate representation of the poster's views. You, for example, wouldn't want Maunder adding some curse-words or a meaning-altering "not" to the sentence above, would you?" And we do not edit posts. We (and our infrastructure) delete or moves them. It comes down to this: We are here to: a) Help developers in their Visual Studio and .NET development b) Allow authors to showcase their Visual Studio and .NET talents c) Focus on Visual Studio and .NET in order to keep things simple for everyone I've put everything I have in me for the last 7 years to stay on track with these goals. If someone decides they have an agenda they want to push and I feel they are abusing or taking advantage of us or our site then I ensure th
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Here we go again. We have discussed this with you so many times it's on the point of being ridiculous. Let me summarise some of your posts below. "It's the reference manual that comes with our product, together with the source code for a significant working example, and which was offered here, to any member, for free, for eight consecutive months." The Code Project is a place to post Visual Studio and .NET articles, with the aim being to share source code so that other developers can learn how to code. We do not support articles that do not provide full source code (apart from a small number of older articles that we like so much we don't have the heart to remove), or articles that do not focus on Visual Studio and .NET. This isn't because we don't like other languages or technologies, but rather because we have chosen to focus and not be a "every technology under the sun" site. Post full source code for your compiler, for free, in a form that is compatible with Visual Studio and you can post as many articles as you want and answer questions in forums with reference to your article. "There are no rules on this site. ... Those aren't rules; those are "guidelines". Rules for behavior must be agreed to by the governed (or their representatives) before they become effective" You're confusing rules with a contract (and simply being argumentative). We have rules and we have explained them again and again. If you want me to provide you with a contract for you to sign before you can use our site then fine. That just really weirds me out, though, that you honetly feel this way. "The owner does not, in my opinion, have the "right to edit or otherwise alter any post or content" because that, in effect, may put words in the poster's mouth that are not an accurate representation of the poster's views. You, for example, wouldn't want Maunder adding some curse-words or a meaning-altering "not" to the sentence above, would you?" And we do not edit posts. We (and our infrastructure) delete or moves them. It comes down to this: We are here to: a) Help developers in their Visual Studio and .NET development b) Allow authors to showcase their Visual Studio and .NET talents c) Focus on Visual Studio and .NET in order to keep things simple for everyone I've put everything I have in me for the last 7 years to stay on track with these goals. If someone decides they have an agenda they want to push and I feel they are abusing or taking advantage of us or our site then I ensure th
Nicely said Chris. May I suggest an IP block for this guy if he continues with his rant.
Epitaph: Foolish humans, never escaped Earth.- Vernor Vinge
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Here we go again. We have discussed this with you so many times it's on the point of being ridiculous. Let me summarise some of your posts below. "It's the reference manual that comes with our product, together with the source code for a significant working example, and which was offered here, to any member, for free, for eight consecutive months." The Code Project is a place to post Visual Studio and .NET articles, with the aim being to share source code so that other developers can learn how to code. We do not support articles that do not provide full source code (apart from a small number of older articles that we like so much we don't have the heart to remove), or articles that do not focus on Visual Studio and .NET. This isn't because we don't like other languages or technologies, but rather because we have chosen to focus and not be a "every technology under the sun" site. Post full source code for your compiler, for free, in a form that is compatible with Visual Studio and you can post as many articles as you want and answer questions in forums with reference to your article. "There are no rules on this site. ... Those aren't rules; those are "guidelines". Rules for behavior must be agreed to by the governed (or their representatives) before they become effective" You're confusing rules with a contract (and simply being argumentative). We have rules and we have explained them again and again. If you want me to provide you with a contract for you to sign before you can use our site then fine. That just really weirds me out, though, that you honetly feel this way. "The owner does not, in my opinion, have the "right to edit or otherwise alter any post or content" because that, in effect, may put words in the poster's mouth that are not an accurate representation of the poster's views. You, for example, wouldn't want Maunder adding some curse-words or a meaning-altering "not" to the sentence above, would you?" And we do not edit posts. We (and our infrastructure) delete or moves them. It comes down to this: We are here to: a) Help developers in their Visual Studio and .NET development b) Allow authors to showcase their Visual Studio and .NET talents c) Focus on Visual Studio and .NET in order to keep things simple for everyone I've put everything I have in me for the last 7 years to stay on track with these goals. If someone decides they have an agenda they want to push and I feel they are abusing or taking advantage of us or our site then I ensure th
Chris Maunder wrote:
We are here to: a) Help developers in their Visual Studio and .NET development b) Allow authors to showcase their Visual Studio and .NET talents c) Focus on Visual Studio and .NET in order to keep things simple for everyone I've put everything I have in me for the last 7 years to stay on track with these goals.
Are you quite sure? Seven years? (1) The subtitle under your logo that says "Your Visual Studio and .NET Homepage" was not there when we first joined less than a year ago; I have a screen shot of the CodeProject home page - with the advertisement you sold us displayed in the upper left - to prove it. You knew who we were and what we were selling at that time; why didn't you refuse to sell us advertising, or at least discourage us from buying? On the contrary, you and your employees encouraged us to advertise here, and the trend continues: one of your members encouraged us to take out more ads this very day, and another platinum-level member and one of your "protectors" suggested that we write articles for the site on natural language programming. A third individual suggested we advertise in our signature (a suggestion that several high-ranking members have made to us before). (2) The .NET framework was not a serious contender for development seven years ago. (3) A cursory examination of the lounge reveals over 100 distinct messages discussing LINUX, all posted within the last month. (4) The "Mathematics and Algorithms" forum appears to be quite general in scope and character. (5) The brand new "Design and Architecture" forum gives no indication that it is product-specific. (6) The General Discussions forum still carries the description, "For discussing anything relevant to this site, or to the developer community as a whole." (7) The Lounge is described as a place "For lazing about and discussing anything that takes your fancy." (8) The Soapbox is provided specifically for "off-topic" rants and states that "If you want to get something off your chest then do it here," where "something" clearly means "pretty much anything" based on the content of that forum. (9) The Work and Training Issues forum is broad enough to include those who want to "Talk about work issues, get tips on resume writing or discussion certification programs." How that is Visual Studio or .NET specific escapes me. (10) Not to mention that there is also a SQL forum, a
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
But in the end you have to prove you have changed, not that everyone else here are idiots for not following your beliefs.
I don't think - and have never said - that the people here are "idiots" for not following my beliefs. I have said, and will say again now, that I think they are wrong, as in incorrect in not doing so; certainly wrong in not first studying those beliefs before rejecting them. But how else can things be? You think I'm wrong in many of my beliefs, and you therefore fervently oppose them, giving various facts and examples to support your opinion. You think I'm wrong in my approach to propagating those beliefs, and so you passionately criticise it, suggesting improvements according to the light that's been given you. Fine; that's called discussion and argument and "the free exchange of ideas". But you don't delete my posts! That would be nothing but censorship. Yes. I have a great deal of meaningful things in my head (in my opinion) and I intend to "download" those things into other heads before I die; the good parts, I trust, will stick and be further developed, while the nonsense will fall away. But I won't apologize for that; that's exactly what teachers do. And I encourage you to do the same. When I heard that you were teaching your girlfriend's son (I think it was) about computers, I thought, "Good. I think the kid would benefit more from hearing from both of us, rather than either one of us alone, but good nevertheless." (By the way, if you'd like a copy of Plain English for the little guy, just let me know. It will give you a lot to talk about!)
The Grand Negus wrote:
I don't think - and have never said - that the people here are "idiots" for not following my beliefs. I have said, and will say again now, that I think they are wrong, as in incorrect in not doing so; certainly wrong in not first studying those beliefs before rejecting them.
You do not use the "word" but you do downgrade them. I can tell you from experience why integers do not work, you reject them. I can explain to you the loss of bits at the top or bottom end of the integer during math operations, you ignore them. You simply claim you are right, quote something about God, your miracle son, or somesuch as justification for your greatness. You are a narcissist, you are always right even when you are dead wrong. It is useless to explain anything to you, you simply down-talk the person as if you are the messenger of God, you as much call them an "idiot" without using the word by telling them to find new teachers, new schools, reject their schools and join your foray into who knows what. You ignore common sense even when we offer it to you. I did not delete your posts, I find them rubish of the worst kind because such errors in integer math costs fortunes, have in the past, which is WHY WE DON'T USE THEM! There is a reason why we have floating point numbers, it is specific to the bit storage and operations on a digital computer. If you ignore a computer, sure an integer is as great and wonderful as a floating point number, possibly even better. But as soon as you put it in a computer word, you change the result, you restrict the math operations, and you need twice as many integers, and twice as many bits (both) in order to do the same math operations as a floating point number. To hold a 64bit integer representation of any number, you need to put it in a 128bit integer in order to do multiplication on it. To express a floating point number, you need two integers (a multiplier and a divisor), Where have you saved any bits? You need 256bits to store a 64bit result! egad, and you think you are a genius for devising this? Well guess what, you didn't. It was used for COBOL storage, and is a prime reason for the loss of the language as a whole due to the inaccuracies built into the language due to integer representation of floating point numbers. You ignore those of us who have the experience for your ideas that have little to do with mathematics, and absolutely nothing to do with a computer except on the operation of a theoretical c
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CaveFox wrote:
You just don't like to make friends do you?
No, I don't. As I've said many times before on these forums, I'm not here to make friends; I'm looking for disciples. I'm not looking for people who fit in here - I'm looking for the ones who don't. I'm looking for a few choice individuals to help me develop something significant before I go the way of all flesh. People who can think clearly, unemotionally, and creatively with extreme focus. People, in short, who are willing to learn and able to get things done. I've got no time or interest in contentious, undisciplined, lazy, cowardly, beligerant, sloppy, or otherwise defective individuals who do not want to improve themselves and their situation. Been there, done that. Waste of time.
The Grand Negus wrote:
People who can think clearly, unemotionally, and creatively with extreme focus. People, in short, who are willing to learn and able to get things done.
You are talking to them, and p*ssing them off. Some of us have change the various industries already, reshaped the world as we saw fit. You can call us lazy, cowardly, belligerent, sloppy, or otherwise, but open up the door to a computer shop and see the number of 3D games, and boards, and ask yourself who was part of that revolution before you reject all of us out of hand as ignorant hoodlums who are simply ignorant of your genius. :zzz:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
But in the end you have to prove you have changed, not that everyone else here are idiots for not following your beliefs.
I don't think - and have never said - that the people here are "idiots" for not following my beliefs. I have said, and will say again now, that I think they are wrong, as in incorrect in not doing so; certainly wrong in not first studying those beliefs before rejecting them. But how else can things be? You think I'm wrong in many of my beliefs, and you therefore fervently oppose them, giving various facts and examples to support your opinion. You think I'm wrong in my approach to propagating those beliefs, and so you passionately criticise it, suggesting improvements according to the light that's been given you. Fine; that's called discussion and argument and "the free exchange of ideas". But you don't delete my posts! That would be nothing but censorship. Yes. I have a great deal of meaningful things in my head (in my opinion) and I intend to "download" those things into other heads before I die; the good parts, I trust, will stick and be further developed, while the nonsense will fall away. But I won't apologize for that; that's exactly what teachers do. And I encourage you to do the same. When I heard that you were teaching your girlfriend's son (I think it was) about computers, I thought, "Good. I think the kid would benefit more from hearing from both of us, rather than either one of us alone, but good nevertheless." (By the way, if you'd like a copy of Plain English for the little guy, just let me know. It will give you a lot to talk about!)
The Grand Negus wrote:
(By the way, if you'd like a copy of Plain English for the little guy, just let me know. It will give you a lot to talk about!)
I am not teaching him programming, unless he wants to learn programming. That includes C/C++/C#/VB or PE. I am not looking for disciples, my legacy lives in the industry I work in. I am looking to encourage a child's curiosity for the world at large, that includes computers, astronomy, science, and especially the gymnastics and history he already loves. I haven't berated him with do this, or do that. He is his own person, with his own mind, which I encourage to think, we talked about the science behind magnetic levitation, rockets, telescopes, flight, including the science behind wing and engine design to achieve lift and demonstrations of theory of lift using a glider. These are things he already had an interest in, I simply had the knowledge to offer, his mother did not, nor his father. If he were not already curious, I would not offer just to push my agenda. Because I am not seeking disciples. I have pushed my agenda on the rest of the 3D industry, which is one of the reasons it has grown so much, and why it now includes floating point numbers in its math also (finally), and has pushed out of the graphics industry to press on general computation, spreading into every other computer industry. But he will choose what he wants, if that is law, great, if that is Astronomy, great still, if that is a high school gym teacher, still great, and programming just the same. As long as it is his goal in life and not his Mother's, his Father's, or mine. He is not a disciple to me, he is a person, which is far better in my opinion.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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The Grand Negus wrote:
(By the way, if you'd like a copy of Plain English for the little guy, just let me know. It will give you a lot to talk about!)
I am not teaching him programming, unless he wants to learn programming. That includes C/C++/C#/VB or PE. I am not looking for disciples, my legacy lives in the industry I work in. I am looking to encourage a child's curiosity for the world at large, that includes computers, astronomy, science, and especially the gymnastics and history he already loves. I haven't berated him with do this, or do that. He is his own person, with his own mind, which I encourage to think, we talked about the science behind magnetic levitation, rockets, telescopes, flight, including the science behind wing and engine design to achieve lift and demonstrations of theory of lift using a glider. These are things he already had an interest in, I simply had the knowledge to offer, his mother did not, nor his father. If he were not already curious, I would not offer just to push my agenda. Because I am not seeking disciples. I have pushed my agenda on the rest of the 3D industry, which is one of the reasons it has grown so much, and why it now includes floating point numbers in its math also (finally), and has pushed out of the graphics industry to press on general computation, spreading into every other computer industry. But he will choose what he wants, if that is law, great, if that is Astronomy, great still, if that is a high school gym teacher, still great, and programming just the same. As long as it is his goal in life and not his Mother's, his Father's, or mine. He is not a disciple to me, he is a person, which is far better in my opinion.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
He is not a disciple to me, he is a person, which is far better in my opinion.
You seem to think that a disciple is a person who is forced to do or believe something against his will. The definition, however (which I take from dictionary.com), is simply, "a person who is a pupil or an adherent of the doctrines of another". In other words, a disciple is a person who has chosen to make one or more of the teachings of another his own - think "good student". Being a disciple doesn't make one less of a person; it just saves that person the toil and trouble of re-inventing various wheels.