MVP Behavior

El Corazon

Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

I'm now curious as to what the linked post was seeing as the OPs message was removed.

check my definitions at the end.... although I don't use the word, I think you can figure out what word was used at him that he complained.

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

Lost User

The Grand Negus wrote:

But why would we want to do such a thing? It's simple and efficient as it stands. And we only have to know one language to maintain and extend it - Plain English.

I'd rather program with a Hexeditor. You would want to do such a thing because it would get plenty of attention, make it open source and write it in a real programming language, make it work with .NET!!! Then people would be able to extend their current software systems in P.E. Its just a smart thing to do.

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JimmyRopes

The Nag-Us' latest device; "hell bound" was created today! :~ hell bound[^] :doh::doh::doh:

I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes

Rama Krishna Vavilala

JimmyRopes wrote:

The Nag-Us' latest device

No it's nothing to do with Negus. This guy is Kyle.

Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. -Brian Kernighan

El Corazon

at least he now understands where he is going.

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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Captain See Sharp wrote:

a real programming language

Please define this term so I can better understand you.

Lost User

The Grand Negus wrote:

Please define this term so I can better understand you.

A real programming language - A computer programming language used in real world applications. Like I said if you .NETify your language people might use it.

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Captain See Sharp wrote:

A real programming language - A computer programming language used in real world applications.

Please claify. What constitutes a "real world application"?

El Corazon

The Grand Negus wrote:

Please claify. What constitutes a "real world application"?

http://www.vterrain.org/Misc/defense.html[^] http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/datum/gif/xyzllh.gif[^] :-D

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

El Corazon

and http://www.moshier.net/[^] http://www.stellarium.org/[^] http://www.shatters.net/celestia/[^] if you want an "out of this world" application. -- modified at 22:44 Wednesday 3rd January, 2007

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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And are those the only two?

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The question was "What constitutes a real-world application?" as in, "How can we distinguish a real-world application from a non-real-world application?" Five (or more) examples don't help. You didn't list "Google"; is that a real-world application? What about Visual Basic? Applesoft Basic? Zork?

El Corazon

The Grand Negus wrote:

And are those the only two?

no, but there are more than there are lines in your compiler.

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

Ed Poore

Well even if they aren't classified as "real-world applications" we might show a bit more of respect if your PEC could be demonstrated to do either one of these. E.g. yes we know VB & PE are both programming languages (I use the term loosly in this case) but while we've seen demos of what VB can do (both through videos and programs that can actually be downloaded and run) we have seen nothing, absolutely nothing from your compiler. You're thinking so abstractly that you've forgotten the one thing a compiler is meant to do, produce an executable (that runs).

I have no idea what I just said. But my intentions were sincere.

El Corazon

The Grand Negus wrote:

You didn't list "Google"; is that a real-world application? What about Visual Basic? Applesoft Basic? Zork?

I didn't list a lot of things, because the world is full of real world applications. First, it has do do more than promote itself, that is an advertisement blurb not a real-world application. I don't think you would like the answers for those, A) you could never write Google with PE, it uses fuzzy logic, Visual Basic and Applesoft Basic, hardly, you "might" be able to write applesoft basic, but I doubt even that... but still, I programmed in it, it counted as a real-world application 25 years ago, now it counts as an elementary school science fair project. Zork is old school, lexical analysis has come a long way since then, most high-school students could code Zork in their sleep, so it has near been relegated to "Dick and Jane" equivalent instruction for computers. I wouldn't count "Dick and Jane" books as reading material either, but they are great for kindergarteners before they grow up and need something more stimulating for growing intellect. obviously I know more in my industry than others, but for starters: MATLAB, Engineering CAD design, Lightwave, ModSAF, MPEG2/4 streamers, encoders or players, air-craft control or simulation (and before you jump in, fix your round-off/bit-loss problem at the top-end, you will not be allowed to crash air-craft to find out how "good" your software really is). you can also try visiting for ideas: http://www.gdconf.com/programming/index.htm[^]

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

El Corazon

Ed.Poore wrote:

produce an executable (that runs).

it produces itself, and an editor/IDE that makes emacs look cool. :rolleyes: it does rival vi & wordpad though. ;)

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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Ed.Poore wrote:

You're thinking so abstractly that you've forgotten the one thing a compiler is meant to do, produce an executable (that runs).

But our compiler does exactly that. The current version - interface, text editor, compiler/linker, etc - was coded up in, and compiled with, the previous version. Then we used it to write the documentation, draw the pictures for our website, code the programs that process credit-card orders, produce the sample application, and a variety of other things. So it runs. Fast. And Reliably. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your statement?

Ed Poore

What my underlying meaning was, where's the proof? If people here had proof that it actually did something then they might warm up a bit. It needn't be useful either, we're geeks so it could just be something cool, they'd be more likely to take a look then.

I have no idea what I just said. But my intentions were sincere.

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Ed.Poore wrote:

If people here had proof that it actually did something then they might warm up a bit. It needn't be useful either, we're geeks so it could just be something cool, they'd be more likely to take a look then.

I'm a geek and I think a program that is not copy protected, requires no installation program, and that includes a unique interface, a simplified file manager, an elegant text editor, a hexadecimal dumper, a wysiwyg page-layout facility, and a native-code generating compiler, written entirely in Plain English without a single nested if or loop, and with a point-and-click interface that somehow manages to be friendly despite the fact that it has no radio buttons, check boxes, scroll bars, or pictured icons, and that can recreate itself in less than 3 seconds on a bottom-of-the-line Dell resulting in an executable that is less than a megabyte that requires no special runtime libraries is cool. If you think so too, write me (help@osmosian.com) and I'll give you a link to a copy so you can see for yourself. Before you get ten pages into the manual you'll be reading the documentation in the built-in page editor and recompiling the thing in itself.

Ed Poore

I would but won't, why don't you create a screencast of this happening to prove to people that it can do it. They simply won't trust the software and I for one don't have time to setup a dedicated machine to try it out.

I have no idea what I just said. But my intentions were sincere.