MVP Behavior
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The Nag-Us' latest device; "hell bound" was created today! :~ hell bound[^] :doh::doh::doh:
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
JimmyRopes wrote:
The Nag-Us' latest device
No it's nothing to do with Negus. This guy is Kyle.
Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. -Brian Kernighan
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The Nag-Us' latest device; "hell bound" was created today! :~ hell bound[^] :doh::doh::doh:
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
at least he now understands where he is going.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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The Grand Negus wrote:
But why would we want to do such a thing? It's simple and efficient as it stands. And we only have to know one language to maintain and extend it - Plain English.
I'd rather program with a Hexeditor. You would want to do such a thing because it would get plenty of attention, make it open source and write it in a real programming language, make it work with .NET!!! Then people would be able to extend their current software systems in P.E. Its just a smart thing to do.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
a real programming language
Please define this term so I can better understand you.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Please define this term so I can better understand you.
A real programming language - A computer programming language used in real world applications. Like I said if you .NETify your language people might use it.
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Please define this term so I can better understand you.
A real programming language - A computer programming language used in real world applications. Like I said if you .NETify your language people might use it.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
A real programming language - A computer programming language used in real world applications.
Please claify. What constitutes a "real world application"?
The Grand Negus wrote:
Please claify. What constitutes a "real world application"?
http://www.vterrain.org/Misc/defense.html[^] http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/datum/gif/xyzllh.gif[^] :-D
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
A real programming language - A computer programming language used in real world applications.
Please claify. What constitutes a "real world application"?
and http://www.moshier.net/[^] http://www.stellarium.org/[^] http://www.shatters.net/celestia/[^] if you want an "out of this world" application. -- modified at 22:44 Wednesday 3rd January, 2007
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Please claify. What constitutes a "real world application"?
http://www.vterrain.org/Misc/defense.html[^] http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/datum/gif/xyzllh.gif[^] :-D
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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and http://www.moshier.net/[^] http://www.stellarium.org/[^] http://www.shatters.net/celestia/[^] if you want an "out of this world" application. -- modified at 22:44 Wednesday 3rd January, 2007
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
The question was "What constitutes a real-world application?" as in, "How can we distinguish a real-world application from a non-real-world application?" Five (or more) examples don't help. You didn't list "Google"; is that a real-world application? What about Visual Basic? Applesoft Basic? Zork?
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The Grand Negus wrote:
And are those the only two?
no, but there are more than there are lines in your compiler.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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The question was "What constitutes a real-world application?" as in, "How can we distinguish a real-world application from a non-real-world application?" Five (or more) examples don't help. You didn't list "Google"; is that a real-world application? What about Visual Basic? Applesoft Basic? Zork?
Well even if they aren't classified as "real-world applications" we might show a bit more of respect if your PEC could be demonstrated to do either one of these. E.g. yes we know VB & PE are both programming languages (I use the term loosly in this case) but while we've seen demos of what VB can do (both through videos and programs that can actually be downloaded and run) we have seen nothing, absolutely nothing from your compiler. You're thinking so abstractly that you've forgotten the one thing a compiler is meant to do, produce an executable (that runs).
I have no idea what I just said. But my intentions were sincere.
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The question was "What constitutes a real-world application?" as in, "How can we distinguish a real-world application from a non-real-world application?" Five (or more) examples don't help. You didn't list "Google"; is that a real-world application? What about Visual Basic? Applesoft Basic? Zork?
The Grand Negus wrote:
You didn't list "Google"; is that a real-world application? What about Visual Basic? Applesoft Basic? Zork?
I didn't list a lot of things, because the world is full of real world applications. First, it has do do more than promote itself, that is an advertisement blurb not a real-world application. I don't think you would like the answers for those, A) you could never write Google with PE, it uses fuzzy logic, Visual Basic and Applesoft Basic, hardly, you "might" be able to write applesoft basic, but I doubt even that... but still, I programmed in it, it counted as a real-world application 25 years ago, now it counts as an elementary school science fair project. Zork is old school, lexical analysis has come a long way since then, most high-school students could code Zork in their sleep, so it has near been relegated to "Dick and Jane" equivalent instruction for computers. I wouldn't count "Dick and Jane" books as reading material either, but they are great for kindergarteners before they grow up and need something more stimulating for growing intellect. obviously I know more in my industry than others, but for starters: MATLAB, Engineering CAD design, Lightwave, ModSAF, MPEG2/4 streamers, encoders or players, air-craft control or simulation (and before you jump in, fix your round-off/bit-loss problem at the top-end, you will not be allowed to crash air-craft to find out how "good" your software really is). you can also try visiting for ideas: http://www.gdconf.com/programming/index.htm[^]
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Well even if they aren't classified as "real-world applications" we might show a bit more of respect if your PEC could be demonstrated to do either one of these. E.g. yes we know VB & PE are both programming languages (I use the term loosly in this case) but while we've seen demos of what VB can do (both through videos and programs that can actually be downloaded and run) we have seen nothing, absolutely nothing from your compiler. You're thinking so abstractly that you've forgotten the one thing a compiler is meant to do, produce an executable (that runs).
I have no idea what I just said. But my intentions were sincere.
Ed.Poore wrote:
produce an executable (that runs).
it produces itself, and an editor/IDE that makes emacs look cool. :rolleyes: it does rival vi & wordpad though. ;)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Well even if they aren't classified as "real-world applications" we might show a bit more of respect if your PEC could be demonstrated to do either one of these. E.g. yes we know VB & PE are both programming languages (I use the term loosly in this case) but while we've seen demos of what VB can do (both through videos and programs that can actually be downloaded and run) we have seen nothing, absolutely nothing from your compiler. You're thinking so abstractly that you've forgotten the one thing a compiler is meant to do, produce an executable (that runs).
I have no idea what I just said. But my intentions were sincere.
Ed.Poore wrote:
You're thinking so abstractly that you've forgotten the one thing a compiler is meant to do, produce an executable (that runs).
But our compiler does exactly that. The current version - interface, text editor, compiler/linker, etc - was coded up in, and compiled with, the previous version. Then we used it to write the documentation, draw the pictures for our website, code the programs that process credit-card orders, produce the sample application, and a variety of other things. So it runs. Fast. And Reliably. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your statement?
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Ed.Poore wrote:
You're thinking so abstractly that you've forgotten the one thing a compiler is meant to do, produce an executable (that runs).
But our compiler does exactly that. The current version - interface, text editor, compiler/linker, etc - was coded up in, and compiled with, the previous version. Then we used it to write the documentation, draw the pictures for our website, code the programs that process credit-card orders, produce the sample application, and a variety of other things. So it runs. Fast. And Reliably. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your statement?
What my underlying meaning was, where's the proof? If people here had proof that it actually did something then they might warm up a bit. It needn't be useful either, we're geeks so it could just be something cool, they'd be more likely to take a look then.
I have no idea what I just said. But my intentions were sincere.
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What my underlying meaning was, where's the proof? If people here had proof that it actually did something then they might warm up a bit. It needn't be useful either, we're geeks so it could just be something cool, they'd be more likely to take a look then.
I have no idea what I just said. But my intentions were sincere.
Ed.Poore wrote:
If people here had proof that it actually did something then they might warm up a bit. It needn't be useful either, we're geeks so it could just be something cool, they'd be more likely to take a look then.
I'm a geek and I think a program that is not copy protected, requires no installation program, and that includes a unique interface, a simplified file manager, an elegant text editor, a hexadecimal dumper, a wysiwyg page-layout facility, and a native-code generating compiler, written entirely in Plain English without a single nested if or loop, and with a point-and-click interface that somehow manages to be friendly despite the fact that it has no radio buttons, check boxes, scroll bars, or pictured icons, and that can recreate itself in less than 3 seconds on a bottom-of-the-line Dell resulting in an executable that is less than a megabyte that requires no special runtime libraries is cool. If you think so too, write me (help@osmosian.com) and I'll give you a link to a copy so you can see for yourself. Before you get ten pages into the manual you'll be reading the documentation in the built-in page editor and recompiling the thing in itself.
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Ed.Poore wrote:
If people here had proof that it actually did something then they might warm up a bit. It needn't be useful either, we're geeks so it could just be something cool, they'd be more likely to take a look then.
I'm a geek and I think a program that is not copy protected, requires no installation program, and that includes a unique interface, a simplified file manager, an elegant text editor, a hexadecimal dumper, a wysiwyg page-layout facility, and a native-code generating compiler, written entirely in Plain English without a single nested if or loop, and with a point-and-click interface that somehow manages to be friendly despite the fact that it has no radio buttons, check boxes, scroll bars, or pictured icons, and that can recreate itself in less than 3 seconds on a bottom-of-the-line Dell resulting in an executable that is less than a megabyte that requires no special runtime libraries is cool. If you think so too, write me (help@osmosian.com) and I'll give you a link to a copy so you can see for yourself. Before you get ten pages into the manual you'll be reading the documentation in the built-in page editor and recompiling the thing in itself.
I would but won't, why don't you create a screencast of this happening to prove to people that it can do it. They simply won't trust the software and I for one don't have time to setup a dedicated machine to try it out.
I have no idea what I just said. But my intentions were sincere.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
I'm no longer going to bother trying defending you or your actions.
I'm surprised, Mark. Are you really saying that things like "FUCK! You forgot me bitch" and "Fuck off and get out" is appropriate language for a gold-status CodeProject MVP? Whatever the supposed provocation? I don't think such an outburst would be tolerated in any decent conference room in any respectable business, and I'm sure it would reflect negatively on that person's evaluation. Why isn't that taken into account here? But perhaps you didn't see original post and read only the edited post that was significantly less spicy...
MVP status is just a thank you. It doesn't come with expectations. Just thanks. People are still free to be themselves. Gold status is a time-volume metric that shows how long you've been here and how much activity you've had. It doesn't come with any expectations on behavior. People are still free to be themselves.
What's in a sig? This statement is false. Build a bridge and get over it. ~ Chris Maunder
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I would but won't, why don't you create a screencast of this happening to prove to people that it can do it. They simply won't trust the software and I for one don't have time to setup a dedicated machine to try it out.
I have no idea what I just said. But my intentions were sincere.
Ed.Poore wrote:
I would but won't, why don't you create a screencast of this happening to prove to people that it can do it. They simply won't trust the software and I for one don't have time to setup a dedicated machine to try it out.
I don't see what a screencast would prove - people could simply say it was a simulation. Besides, you don't need a dedicated machine to try it out; the program is safe. Marc Clifton (a "protector" and MVP here) downloaded and tried the thing out last February - and I think he'll tell you as much even though he's given up "trying to defend us" in other matters. This kind of suffocating paranoia is what so amazes and baffles us! Here's my name, address, and phone number: Gerry Rzeppa 1206 Hatter Rd Franklin, KY 42134 270-586-9864 Here's our website: www.osmosian.com Here's the website of our parent company: www.era-sql.com
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Ed.Poore wrote:
I would but won't, why don't you create a screencast of this happening to prove to people that it can do it. They simply won't trust the software and I for one don't have time to setup a dedicated machine to try it out.
I don't see what a screencast would prove - people could simply say it was a simulation. Besides, you don't need a dedicated machine to try it out; the program is safe. Marc Clifton (a "protector" and MVP here) downloaded and tried the thing out last February - and I think he'll tell you as much even though he's given up "trying to defend us" in other matters. This kind of suffocating paranoia is what so amazes and baffles us! Here's my name, address, and phone number: Gerry Rzeppa 1206 Hatter Rd Franklin, KY 42134 270-586-9864 Here's our website: www.osmosian.com Here's the website of our parent company: www.era-sql.com
The Grand Negus wrote:
This kind of suffocating paranoia is what so amazes and baffles us!
your obsessive compulsion to keep error-prone integer math is my biggest problem. Add floating point to your compiler and actually attempt to match the processing capability of a modern CPU and you would find far less trouble. But I will throw you a bone. If you want to prove yourself, AND get paid for it. http://www.dodsbir.net/sitis/quick_scan.asp[^]
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
