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  • N Not Active

    Sorry bit of a rant. While one of the developers on the team was out for two weeks I had to modify his code, make some improvements I had talked to him about earlier and he never understood or thought it was necessry. Now that he is back to work he is upset because I did it and now refuses to check the files in to VSS so no one can modify them. :sigh: :((


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    Ray Kinsella
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    Talk to him about Collective Code Ownership[^], it is one of the principles of Extreme Programming. Explain that the whole team owns the code and the improvements may not have been immediately obvious to anyone, but you discovered you needed them because of XYZ. Make sure he knows your changes weren't a poor reflection on him.

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      I checked them under my account and fully documented the changes and the reason for the change, and ran unit tests to confirm functionality. He is upset because I touched his code. Well, daaa you were out for two weeks, we couldn't wait for you get back. :rolleyes:


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      Does Project management stand behind "Noone singly owns a certian piece of code, we all do"? if yes: get that guy educated if no: think if you can accept such a policy. If not, find something better. The market isn't bad enough to make you put up with this.


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      • N Not Active

        Totally possible but the admin and team lead isn't the most qualified to begin with. It took me weeks to convince him of the benefits tiered development and not writing all your code in the aspx page. :rolleyes:


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        Antony M Kancidrowski
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        Whoever it is doesn't seem to be a team player. IMO it is better to be without such people.

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        I'm coloured, yet clear.
        I'm fruity and sweet.
        I'm jelly, what am I? Muse on it further, I shall return!
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        • N Not Active

          Totally possible but the admin and team lead isn't the most qualified to begin with. It took me weeks to convince him of the benefits tiered development and not writing all your code in the aspx page. :rolleyes:


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          KevinMac
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          Sorry about your luck. Perhaps a small bottle of single malt 10 year old in the bottom drawer would make the days pass better. :-D

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          • N Not Active

            Sorry bit of a rant. While one of the developers on the team was out for two weeks I had to modify his code, make some improvements I had talked to him about earlier and he never understood or thought it was necessry. Now that he is back to work he is upset because I did it and now refuses to check the files in to VSS so no one can modify them. :sigh: :((


            only two letters away from being an asset

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            Maximilien
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            Mark Nischalke wrote:

            Now that he is back to work he is upset because I did it and now refuses to check the files in to VSS so no one can modify them.

            this is unacceptable in a professional work environment. you should resolve this with the help of your boss or your team leader; have him arrange a meeting with both of you, and discuss this. If that behaviour continues, the boss and/or team leader should fire that programmer.


            Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad

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              Mark Nischalke wrote:

              Now that he is back to work he is upset because I did it and now refuses to check the files in to VSS so no one can modify them.

              this is unacceptable in a professional work environment. you should resolve this with the help of your boss or your team leader; have him arrange a meeting with both of you, and discuss this. If that behaviour continues, the boss and/or team leader should fire that programmer.


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              Ray Kinsella
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              Maximilien wrote:

              ou should resolve this with the help of your boss or your team leader

              You may want to warn him first, give him a chance to come around alone.

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              • N Not Active

                Sorry bit of a rant. While one of the developers on the team was out for two weeks I had to modify his code, make some improvements I had talked to him about earlier and he never understood or thought it was necessry. Now that he is back to work he is upset because I did it and now refuses to check the files in to VSS so no one can modify them. :sigh: :((


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                Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                I take it that he is not a CPian or he does not check the lounge.

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                • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                  I take it that he is not a CPian or he does not check the lounge.

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                  Ray Kinsella
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                  Mustn't be, why is no-one suggesting violence as an answer ... and/or alcohol or course ... :-D

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                  • N Not Active

                    Sorry bit of a rant. While one of the developers on the team was out for two weeks I had to modify his code, make some improvements I had talked to him about earlier and he never understood or thought it was necessry. Now that he is back to work he is upset because I did it and now refuses to check the files in to VSS so no one can modify them. :sigh: :((


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                    Lost User
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                    Demote him to making coffee.

                    Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                      Demote him to making coffee.

                      Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                      Paul Watson
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                      Demote him to a mission critical role?!?!? Are you mad!

                      regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

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                      I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.

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                      • N Not Active

                        Sorry bit of a rant. While one of the developers on the team was out for two weeks I had to modify his code, make some improvements I had talked to him about earlier and he never understood or thought it was necessry. Now that he is back to work he is upset because I did it and now refuses to check the files in to VSS so no one can modify them. :sigh: :((


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                        ednrgc
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                        Have him fired. No "team" needs clowns like that.

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                          Demote him to a mission critical role?!?!? Are you mad!

                          regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

                          Shog9 wrote:

                          I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.

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                          Gary Wheeler
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                          As if I would trust the recipe for the Sacred Swill™ to any of my coworkers :rolleyes:.


                          Software Zen: delete this;

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                            As if I would trust the recipe for the Sacred Swill™ to any of my coworkers :rolleyes:.


                            Software Zen: delete this;

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                            Paul Watson
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                            "It's all in the grind, all in the grind."

                            regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

                            Shog9 wrote:

                            I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.

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                              Demote him to a mission critical role?!?!? Are you mad!

                              regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

                              Shog9 wrote:

                              I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.

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                              WillemM
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                              Too much coffee I see ;P

                              WM. What about weapons of mass-construction? "You can always try to smash it with a wrench to fix that. It might actually work" - WillemM

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                                Have him fired. No "team" needs clowns like that.

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                                charlieg
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                                concur. Sounds like someone is forgetting who actually owns the code. Now, if you busted it, then that's another matter :). But sounds like to me a tantrum. If *I* were the project manager, we would have a "we don't seem to be communicating" meeting...

                                Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Whoever said children were cheaper by the dozen... lied. My son's PDA is an M249 SAW. My other son commutes in an M1A2 Abrams

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                                  Mark Nischalke wrote:

                                  Now that he is back to work he is upset because I did it and now refuses to check the files in to VSS so no one can modify them.

                                  this is unacceptable in a professional work environment. you should resolve this with the help of your boss or your team leader; have him arrange a meeting with both of you, and discuss this. If that behaviour continues, the boss and/or team leader should fire that programmer.


                                  Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad

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                                  See above, the team lead isn't really up on modern development practices himself. Myself and the PM have tried to educate them but there is resistance, especially with things they don't understand. Even after showing the samples and articles. I'm sure it has something to do with job security and feeling threaten by newer techniques (and people) But the good news is I'm just a consultant, I don't have to stay after the project is finished.


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                                    concur. Sounds like someone is forgetting who actually owns the code. Now, if you busted it, then that's another matter :). But sounds like to me a tantrum. If *I* were the project manager, we would have a "we don't seem to be communicating" meeting...

                                    Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Whoever said children were cheaper by the dozen... lied. My son's PDA is an M249 SAW. My other son commutes in an M1A2 Abrams

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                                    ednrgc
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                                    As a PM, I don't deal with these issues lightheartly. It is the one thing that can drive a steak through the heart of a team. That person will usually be given some of the worst assignments for a while to make sure he/she appreciates the peaceful/pleasurable environment I like to keep.

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                                      See above, the team lead isn't really up on modern development practices himself. Myself and the PM have tried to educate them but there is resistance, especially with things they don't understand. Even after showing the samples and articles. I'm sure it has something to do with job security and feeling threaten by newer techniques (and people) But the good news is I'm just a consultant, I don't have to stay after the project is finished.


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                                      Maximilien
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                                      Mark Nischalke wrote:

                                      See above, the team lead isn't really up on modern development practices himself.

                                      It's not modern practices !!! That developer is sabotaging your environment by preventing other developers to work on some source files.


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                                      • E ednrgc

                                        As a PM, I don't deal with these issues lightheartly. It is the one thing that can drive a steak through the heart of a team. That person will usually be given some of the worst assignments for a while to make sure he/she appreciates the peaceful/pleasurable environment I like to keep.

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                                        charlieg
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                                        Bwahahaha - I could work for you :)

                                        Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Whoever said children were cheaper by the dozen... lied. My son's PDA is an M249 SAW. My other son commutes in an M1A2 Abrams

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                                          As a PM, I don't deal with these issues lightheartly. It is the one thing that can drive a steak through the heart of a team. That person will usually be given some of the worst assignments for a while to make sure he/she appreciates the peaceful/pleasurable environment I like to keep.

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                                          ednrgc wrote:

                                          given some of the worst assignments

                                          But VB coding would be considered cruel and unusual punishment in some places ;P


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