iPhone is real [updated] [again]
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Too bad their service here sucks. If I switched I wouldn't get ANY signal in half my state! :sigh:
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Glad I am in Europe, it should come here unlocked and on any network.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
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Looks pretty cool, but they simply won't be able to call it an IPhone since that is trademarked to another company already. I wonder in the end how people will feel about the non tactile nature of the buttons. I've never held an IPod but I imagine one of the really good things about the current design is that you can operate it without looking at it because you can feel the buttons on it. If they could have added some sort of tactility to it in addition to the touch screen that would be a *killer* app.
They must have bought it from Linksys/Cisco or feel that they have a legal position to use it. Jobs keeps calling it that and all the screens say iPhone.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
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They must have bought it from Linksys/Cisco or feel that they have a legal position to use it. Jobs keeps calling it that and all the screens say iPhone.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
Not likely, in fact there are 4 companies that have applied for the IPhone trademark or derivitive, two of which have already sold products with that trademark, none of them are Apple. http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=1371[^] The UPSPTO is simply never going to give a trademark to a company (apple) that apparently hasn't even applied for it over two other companies that have already been selling products with that trademark.
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Not likely, in fact there are 4 companies that have applied for the IPhone trademark or derivitive, two of which have already sold products with that trademark, none of them are Apple. http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=1371[^] The UPSPTO is simply never going to give a trademark to a company (apple) that apparently hasn't even applied for it over two other companies that have already been selling products with that trademark.
I would imagine they have already worked out deals. It would be stupid for a company the size of Apple to have such obvious trademark conflicts and be sued for everything they own.
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Looks pretty cool, but they simply won't be able to call it an IPhone since that is trademarked to another company already. I wonder in the end how people will feel about the non tactile nature of the buttons. I've never held an IPod but I imagine one of the really good things about the current design is that you can operate it without looking at it because you can feel the buttons on it. If they could have added some sort of tactility to it in addition to the touch screen that would be a *killer* app.
John Cardinal wrote:
I've never held an IPod but I imagine one of the really good things about the current design is that you can operate it without looking at it because you can feel the buttons on it.
I rarely ever use my iPod without looking at it. The only thing might be to hit next while it's in shuffle mode and I don't want to listen to a song that's come up. But I'm sure there'll be some sort of gesture you can draw over it to do that instead.
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Nice, Apple are doing the iPhone[^]. Full touch-screen, no physical buttons, 8gb, music, video and... wow, it makes phone calls :) It runs OS X and includes the Safari browser, not just a cut-down mobile browser (so full Ajax.) It looks pretty good. $499 for 4gb model, $599 for 8gb (no brainer), available in June in the USA, Q4 in Europe, 2008 for Asia. Apple site updated with pretty pictures and marketeering.[^]
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
Looks cool, just too bad it is a phone! This is what the iPod should be like :)
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I would imagine they have already worked out deals. It would be stupid for a company the size of Apple to have such obvious trademark conflicts and be sued for everything they own.
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Well as Scottie might say "you canna break the laws of physics". This is a similar situation. I see absolutely no way around it. If there was ever a hope that Cisco would sell the trademark to Apple it was surely dashed when only a few months ago Cisco released a line of products under that long held trademark.
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Not likely, in fact there are 4 companies that have applied for the IPhone trademark or derivitive, two of which have already sold products with that trademark, none of them are Apple. http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=1371[^] The UPSPTO is simply never going to give a trademark to a company (apple) that apparently hasn't even applied for it over two other companies that have already been selling products with that trademark.
Fair enough but they must have worked something out. Jobs is pretty candid about this kind of thing, if they couldn't get "iPhone" he would have said so in the keynote; "Lads, we wanted to call it an iPhone too but you know these laws, we just can't, so it's the Apple Phone." But he called it the iPhone. And the Apple website says iPhone. I hope they get it, it fits everything else they have done the past few years.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
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Looks cool, just too bad it is a phone! This is what the iPod should be like :)
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Well, it's got full iPod functionality in it and it isn't an afterthought like on most MP3 phones. nano like storage though.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
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Well as Scottie might say "you canna break the laws of physics". This is a similar situation. I see absolutely no way around it. If there was ever a hope that Cisco would sell the trademark to Apple it was surely dashed when only a few months ago Cisco released a line of products under that long held trademark.
"We expect to receive a signed agreement today," she [Cisco] said.[^] You are right John, Apple can't break the rules, but thankfully they have seem to have paid Cisco a lot of money. And finding the iPhone on the Cisco website is bloody difficult.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
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Well, it's got full iPod functionality in it and it isn't an afterthought like on most MP3 phones. nano like storage though.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
Yeah it's very cool. But a Macworld keynote without any Mac stuff?!?! No mention of Leo etc. Very strange. And the name change from Apple Computer to just Apple speaks volumes I think.
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My experience is exactly the opposite. Cingular coverage rocks, and everyone else sucks.
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Major metro area? I believe that's the draw for them. I'm in Iowa though and half the state has no coverage. I could only dial 911 if need be. Not worth it for me. People here who DO have them say they get dropped calls a lot too due to lack of towers etc.
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Looks pretty cool, but they simply won't be able to call it an IPhone since that is trademarked to another company already. I wonder in the end how people will feel about the non tactile nature of the buttons. I've never held an IPod but I imagine one of the really good things about the current design is that you can operate it without looking at it because you can feel the buttons on it. If they could have added some sort of tactility to it in addition to the touch screen that would be a *killer* app.
Don't think they'll care. If the other company sues them, it'll take enough time for judges to decide the case, so that Apple can make profite from the trade mark. Remember the old Apple Records vs Apple Computer legal battle? In the end, they agreed that Apple Computer could use the name and logo as long as they don't mess with music business. Of course, this pact was broken when iPod and iTunes was released. That's why you cannot buy any Beatles' songs in iTunes, by the way :(
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Yeah, I don't want to get too excited before someone else holds it and comments. The touchscreen might not be tactile enough, it might be too complex, battery life may be awful and it may cost more than my MacBook Pro :) Still, it is impressive even as just a concept demo.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
Most people drop their cell phones at least once every two months or so. I wonder how that'd affect the 8GB disk inside :~
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Most people drop their cell phones at least once every two months or so. I wonder how that'd affect the 8GB disk inside :~
Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)Like the nano it will likely be a solid-state memory device, not a spinning hard-disk. I've dropped my nano plenty of times. Also the iPhone has an accelerometer which like in laptops could unmount anything that can be damaged in a fall.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
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Major metro area? I believe that's the draw for them. I'm in Iowa though and half the state has no coverage. I could only dial 911 if need be. Not worth it for me. People here who DO have them say they get dropped calls a lot too due to lack of towers etc.
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Sacramento, CA, and everywhere within 100 miles. It hasn't always been good, but since they merged with AT&T Wireless, the number of places I have been able to get reception has increased. Contrast that with my wife who uses Nextel. She has dropped calls all the time, whereas I have yet to suffer one. *knocks on wood* It's all relative, I guess. :)
Nicholas Wigant wrote:
People here who DO have them say they get dropped calls a lot too due to lack of towers etc.
I can believe it. When I first moved up here two+ years ago, I couldn't get reception in my house. Now I get full bars, though. It was either the acquisition of ATTWS's assets or network upgrades.
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Don't think they'll care. If the other company sues them, it'll take enough time for judges to decide the case, so that Apple can make profite from the trade mark. Remember the old Apple Records vs Apple Computer legal battle? In the end, they agreed that Apple Computer could use the name and logo as long as they don't mess with music business. Of course, this pact was broken when iPod and iTunes was released. That's why you cannot buy any Beatles' songs in iTunes, by the way :(
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Sorry but that's irrelevant to this situation. In this particular case they are trying to market a product with both a conflicting trademark and an identical and or very similar product to what is described in the trademark database by at least two other competitors that already have products in the market place. The apple records and apple computers issue was completely different because it was not a directly competing product in the market place. There is no way a company is going to just proceed with violating a trademark in such a way as you describe unless they completely ignore their lawyers because they could easily be sued for every cent of profit they make illegally using someone else's trademark.
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Nice, Apple are doing the iPhone[^]. Full touch-screen, no physical buttons, 8gb, music, video and... wow, it makes phone calls :) It runs OS X and includes the Safari browser, not just a cut-down mobile browser (so full Ajax.) It looks pretty good. $499 for 4gb model, $599 for 8gb (no brainer), available in June in the USA, Q4 in Europe, 2008 for Asia. Apple site updated with pretty pictures and marketeering.[^]
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
Well, it's an impressive showcase of combining all technology into one single device but personally I'm not interested. I bet battery life would be the biggest letdown. This is clearly not a product for everyone. Some people manage to drain cell phone battery just by talking. Imagine what would happen if they also used it as music player and PDA. Would you want your battery to die down in the middle of an important call because you listened to the music too much? And since it's apple the battery is going to be non-replaceble (at least not field replacable). Interface wise it may be a good solution, but until I use one first hand there is no way to telling. I used zune in the store and it had horrible interface, completely non-intuitive and took ages to figure it out (actually I never did figure it out since I could only use one in store and obviously had no time nor access to the manual). BTW I bet the interface will be one huge frustration for SMS messaging. I just can't see touch screen interface being quick and responsive enough for fast SMS typing. Size wise it's good if you think of it as three devices in one, but it's still bigger than single phone, or music player, or PDA. Price? A little too high, but that's expected from the Apple. I can buy a decent phone from Nokia and a music player for a lot less than $600. Integration? With iTunes and iCalendar (or whatever) sure, but I doubt very much it will sync with outlook. And that's not to mention that personally I would never install anything apple on my PC for gazillions of reasons. So who is destined to own one? Hardcore apple fans for sure. Oh-look-at-me people sure. Any tech savy person (PC based) will not touch apple software, business people will not touch it because it won't synch with office suite. In the end it will become another fashion statement just like an iPod. Many will buy it, as long as they can afford it, but others will look for a different solution.
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"We expect to receive a signed agreement today," she [Cisco] said.[^] You are right John, Apple can't break the rules, but thankfully they have seem to have paid Cisco a lot of money. And finding the iPhone on the Cisco website is bloody difficult.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
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Nice, Apple are doing the iPhone[^]. Full touch-screen, no physical buttons, 8gb, music, video and... wow, it makes phone calls :) It runs OS X and includes the Safari browser, not just a cut-down mobile browser (so full Ajax.) It looks pretty good. $499 for 4gb model, $599 for 8gb (no brainer), available in June in the USA, Q4 in Europe, 2008 for Asia. Apple site updated with pretty pictures and marketeering.[^]
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
Dees Wooks Barree Cool Mon! I'm not at all an Apple Fanboy in fact if anything I'm the opposite but this device just might be seen on my person and in public. Looks absolutely cool! What I hope is that it will start a series of copycat and 1-up devices to come from other makers watching their marketshare dissolve away. Then I stay with Sprint. If that sucker worked with Sprint man I'd preorder today.