Vista...
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So I'm not bashing Vista nor am I advocating it. Read this as, "I smoked but I didn't inhale your honor.":rolleyes: One of the problems I'm having though is getting some devices to work in Vista and some programs just won't work. I wince each time I get something new because it's like Russian Roulette. - Microsoft Visual Studio 2005, "Vista has compatiblity issues..." - Microsoft SQL Server 2005 DE, No problems. - Adobe Creative Suite (CS), No problems. - Macromedia Studio MX 2004, No problems. - Macromedia Director 2004 MX, No problems. - LogMeIn IT Reach, "SERIOUS PROBLEMS" - PCMCIA TV Capture Card, "SERIOUS PROBLEMS" I had a few other programs I don't recall that would not work on Vista. Camtasia Studio would not work on Vista RC1 and I bet it doesn't work on Vista RTM. So my prediction is that Vista adoption is going to be *slow* until this whole security rights thing gets worked out and some other issues. Am I the only one that's found that running Vista is problematic? Who has installed Vista only to discover that key stuff isn't working and you had to go back to XP? (I ask this as XP SP2 loads onto a spare 2.5" drive I have so I can use my TV Capture Card.) Vista:^)
code-frog wrote:
So my prediction is that Vista adoption is going to be *slow*
This is pretty much a truism that's applied to every new version of the operating system, at least as far back as Windows 3.0. (Windows before that was irrelevant, and DOS didn't have this kind of issues.) The OS gets released, manufacturers start getting drivers up to date, smoke billows out the back of a few boxes, bugs get fixed, and the mainstream gradually migrates to the new environment, often at gunpoint. In other words, it's just the normal noises around here...
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So I'm not bashing Vista nor am I advocating it. Read this as, "I smoked but I didn't inhale your honor.":rolleyes: One of the problems I'm having though is getting some devices to work in Vista and some programs just won't work. I wince each time I get something new because it's like Russian Roulette. - Microsoft Visual Studio 2005, "Vista has compatiblity issues..." - Microsoft SQL Server 2005 DE, No problems. - Adobe Creative Suite (CS), No problems. - Macromedia Studio MX 2004, No problems. - Macromedia Director 2004 MX, No problems. - LogMeIn IT Reach, "SERIOUS PROBLEMS" - PCMCIA TV Capture Card, "SERIOUS PROBLEMS" I had a few other programs I don't recall that would not work on Vista. Camtasia Studio would not work on Vista RC1 and I bet it doesn't work on Vista RTM. So my prediction is that Vista adoption is going to be *slow* until this whole security rights thing gets worked out and some other issues. Am I the only one that's found that running Vista is problematic? Who has installed Vista only to discover that key stuff isn't working and you had to go back to XP? (I ask this as XP SP2 loads onto a spare 2.5" drive I have so I can use my TV Capture Card.) Vista:^)
You're not alone Rex. As soon as I read about the security changes I knew this would be likely to be a painful upgrade. However, it's not as bad as it seems. Drivers aside (always a bugbear with a new release of an OS) we've found very few problems in apps we use ourselves - and most of them can be circumvented by running them as admin until compatible versions become available. From a developer perspective we've found that virtually all of the issues we've encountered have been down to failure to correctly consider how resources such as the local machine hive and the program files folder should be used. Those guidelines have been in place for so long now that in most cases what's happening is that Vista is merely exposing the sloppiness of the original developers. The only showstopper issue we've encountered is that Hardware DEP under Vista is much more aggressive under Vista than XP. This can stop a whole category of apps dead - notably application security/registration tools such as Armadillo. I know Silicon Realms are scratching their head over this one right now, as we've an open issue with them on the subject. Personally, I doubt we'll see Vista in widespread use for at least a year. That's no different than previous releases. We're hedging our bets using VMs and removable drive caddies....
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Well, I guess hardware venders will have to get their head out of the... Umm. sand and actaully get drivers built. The same problem happened with 95 and XP but both seemed to fly along anyway. There is old hardware I have had that still has no way to work on XP. My only hardware issue was my Kodak web cam which does not work on Vista 64. I have limited functionality with my Graphire tablet, but I have not checked recently as they probably have a new driver available. I think most people will purchase Vista with a system or package so thier only problems will be with accessories, which most people will just take back and get ones that do work.
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Rocky Moore wrote:
Well, I guess hardware venders will have to get their head out of the... Umm. sand and actaully get drivers built.
Or, Microsoft should return to their previous policy of "upward compatibility" so this unnecessary burden is not forced, unfairly and obnoxiously, on everyone else.
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So I'm not bashing Vista nor am I advocating it. Read this as, "I smoked but I didn't inhale your honor.":rolleyes: One of the problems I'm having though is getting some devices to work in Vista and some programs just won't work. I wince each time I get something new because it's like Russian Roulette. - Microsoft Visual Studio 2005, "Vista has compatiblity issues..." - Microsoft SQL Server 2005 DE, No problems. - Adobe Creative Suite (CS), No problems. - Macromedia Studio MX 2004, No problems. - Macromedia Director 2004 MX, No problems. - LogMeIn IT Reach, "SERIOUS PROBLEMS" - PCMCIA TV Capture Card, "SERIOUS PROBLEMS" I had a few other programs I don't recall that would not work on Vista. Camtasia Studio would not work on Vista RC1 and I bet it doesn't work on Vista RTM. So my prediction is that Vista adoption is going to be *slow* until this whole security rights thing gets worked out and some other issues. Am I the only one that's found that running Vista is problematic? Who has installed Vista only to discover that key stuff isn't working and you had to go back to XP? (I ask this as XP SP2 loads onto a spare 2.5" drive I have so I can use my TV Capture Card.) Vista:^)
code-frog wrote:
- Microsoft Visual Studio 2005, "Vista has compatiblity issues..."
er... would it run or not then? I don't want to install the Service packs, they break my application (at least it doesn't run on client's computer anymore for some reason...) :sigh:
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I've got Vista dual-booting on a MacBook Pro but use it only for games. And there seems to be a version of CamTasia that works on Vista now[^]. I use Camtasia on Windows XP in a Parallels VM though.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
Paul Watson wrote:
And there seems to be a version of CamTasia that works on Vista now[^]. I use Camtasia on Windows XP in a Parallels VM though.
You're using CamTasia? What do you use it for?
“Some have an idea that the reason we in this country discard things so readily is because we have so much. The facts are exactly opposite - the reason we have so much is simply because we discard things so readily. We replace the old in return for something that will serve us better.”--Alfred P. Sloan
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Paul Watson wrote:
And there seems to be a version of CamTasia that works on Vista now[^]. I use Camtasia on Windows XP in a Parallels VM though.
You're using CamTasia? What do you use it for?
“Some have an idea that the reason we in this country discard things so readily is because we have so much. The facts are exactly opposite - the reason we have so much is simply because we discard things so readily. We replace the old in return for something that will serve us better.”--Alfred P. Sloan
Screencasts mainly[^]. Worked better than Macromedia's Captivate for full-motion capture.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
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code-frog wrote:
- Microsoft Visual Studio 2005, "Vista has compatiblity issues..."
er... would it run or not then? I don't want to install the Service packs, they break my application (at least it doesn't run on client's computer anymore for some reason...) :sigh:
If you run it as admin it works fine. If you don't there are a few things you'll find you won't be able to do. No biggie really.
Anna :rose: Linting the day away :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
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So I'm not bashing Vista nor am I advocating it. Read this as, "I smoked but I didn't inhale your honor.":rolleyes: One of the problems I'm having though is getting some devices to work in Vista and some programs just won't work. I wince each time I get something new because it's like Russian Roulette. - Microsoft Visual Studio 2005, "Vista has compatiblity issues..." - Microsoft SQL Server 2005 DE, No problems. - Adobe Creative Suite (CS), No problems. - Macromedia Studio MX 2004, No problems. - Macromedia Director 2004 MX, No problems. - LogMeIn IT Reach, "SERIOUS PROBLEMS" - PCMCIA TV Capture Card, "SERIOUS PROBLEMS" I had a few other programs I don't recall that would not work on Vista. Camtasia Studio would not work on Vista RC1 and I bet it doesn't work on Vista RTM. So my prediction is that Vista adoption is going to be *slow* until this whole security rights thing gets worked out and some other issues. Am I the only one that's found that running Vista is problematic? Who has installed Vista only to discover that key stuff isn't working and you had to go back to XP? (I ask this as XP SP2 loads onto a spare 2.5" drive I have so I can use my TV Capture Card.) Vista:^)
I'm running it and, for the most part, I've not run into many issues. MagicDisc and DaemonTools both won't work properly (MagicDisc seems to work fine when you install it. But if you reboot, you're screwed.) Some of the primarily linux tools (nmap, I'm looking at you) give me strange error messages unless I run them as admin. But for day to day stuff, it works perfectly. These things will get sorted out though. Remember, it still hasn't been released to general availability, so despite it being RTM, you're still considered an early adopter.
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If you run it as admin it works fine. If you don't there are a few things you'll find you won't be able to do. No biggie really.
Anna :rose: Linting the day away :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
Cool!... :cool:
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Rocky Moore wrote:
Well, I guess hardware venders will have to get their head out of the... Umm. sand and actaully get drivers built.
Or, Microsoft should return to their previous policy of "upward compatibility" so this unnecessary burden is not forced, unfairly and obnoxiously, on everyone else.
agree......this security crap has gone over the top....i mean, gawd, I don't have a friggen million dollar company running in my home systems, so why oh why would I even want to bother with overly restrictive os that now is just getting in the way....msoft really seems to have lost its way....
Just trying to keep the forces of entropy at bay
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Rocky Moore wrote:
Well, I guess hardware venders will have to get their head out of the... Umm. sand and actaully get drivers built.
Or, Microsoft should return to their previous policy of "upward compatibility" so this unnecessary burden is not forced, unfairly and obnoxiously, on everyone else.
Well, there was problems when XP came out also. Personally, I do not want them to keep dumbing down their systems just to maintain legacy junk. Much better to cut the cord and move on to a new level!
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agree......this security crap has gone over the top....i mean, gawd, I don't have a friggen million dollar company running in my home systems, so why oh why would I even want to bother with overly restrictive os that now is just getting in the way....msoft really seems to have lost its way....
Just trying to keep the forces of entropy at bay
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Screencasts mainly[^]. Worked better than Macromedia's Captivate for full-motion capture.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
Nice.
“Some have an idea that the reason we in this country discard things so readily is because we have so much. The facts are exactly opposite - the reason we have so much is simply because we discard things so readily. We replace the old in return for something that will serve us better.”--Alfred P. Sloan