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  • R Rocky Moore

    Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

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    realJSOP
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    I'm not missing. I am working on a series of articles for CP since all the local roads are closed and I can't get to work. :) I only prefix compiler definitions with underscores, like so:

    #define _USE_THIS_MSG_ WM_APP+1

    I don't prefix variables with underscores, and don't embed variable names with underscores beyond the gratuitous "m_".

    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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      I agree, using _ is just ugly and hard to type. Unfortunatly I'm stuck at a client right now who insists on using it. Reason? Because we've always done it that way :rolleyes:


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      Aaron VanWieren
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      Mark Nischalke wrote:

      Because we've always done it that way

      Oh no, the dreaded "We have always done it that way"!!! :-D

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      • M Mohamed Meligy

        I use - Pascal casing with "_" prefix for proivate members. - Pascal casing for local variables. - Camel casing for public properties, and all methods. This is meant to make reading code "easier". It's also Mirosoft naming BTW, you can find it in the class library developer guidance. Mohamed Ahmed Meligy Software Engineer SilverKey.us[^] - Egypt Branch http://GeeksWithBlogs.NET/Mohamed[^] -- modified at 0:42 Tuesday 16th January, 2007

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        Mohamed A. Meligy wrote:

        class library developer guidance.

        Just curious, but do you have a link for this. Whenever I look for this, I find a gazillion different styles being used in Microsoft example code.

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        • R Rocky Moore

          Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

          Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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          I am very agreeable with the underscore since it takes advantage of Intellisense for seeing my private/protected fields quickly. It should not matter what you name a field because it should always be accessed through a property. What I would like to hear some opinions on is the naming of User Interface controls such that I don't want my default event handlers looking really crazy i.e. do you: btnValidate buttonValidate validateButton (something else) cneff78

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          • R Rocky Moore

            Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

            Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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            lotuspro
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            I appear to be in the minority here but I *always* use the underscore to prefix private members. I do this for 2 reasons: 1.) As noted by another commentor, I consider the m_ wholly antiquated and sorely reminiscent of old school VB 2.) whenever I write a new class, especially in something like a data layer, I name my members the same as my field names in my database, but of course I have Properties also and then should also have the same name, so I end up with a simple _fieldName notation. It makes for eacy copy & paste. I'm right, that is all ;)

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            • A Aaron VanWieren

              Can't stand _them. Sorry to butt in on this, but this is one thing I truly hate. Isn't this part of or all of the Hungarian notation? Which has historical roots in early programming?

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              No, it's not part of Hungarian notation. Hungarian notation was a programming practice that prefixed variables with the type (for example, iLoopCounter, dSalary, etc). The m_ or just plain _ prefix is a method to be able to use a good name in the class and as parameters. class myClass { string _name; public bool myFunction(string name) { _name = name; } } as an example. I think the m_ came into play when class global variables were directly accessable as it made it easier to read (nameClass.m_name is easier than nameClass._name), but with the shift to treating local variables as private and providing accessors, the m_ isn't as necessary and using the _ prefix preserves the "good" names and makes it easier to translate code between languages that are/are not case sensitive.

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              • C Christian Graus

                avanwieren wrote:

                Isn't this part of or all of the Hungarian notation?

                No.  m_ is part of hungarian notation, but the main thing is to prefix the type as in m_hwndTheWindowHandle, m_nWindowCount.

                Christian Graus - C++ MVP 'Why don't we jump on a fad that hasn't already been widely discredited ?' - Dilbert

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                Both Hungarian and use of underscores have their roots in C espeically those of us that lived in a flavor of unix. Amongst the development community I worked with in the late 80s, we used underscores to avoid name collisions between file scope and local variables. We used Hungarian notation to add type and pointer details to variables especially those defined as extern. With the advent of Object-Oriented programming and the concept of encapsulation, the need to know the type essentially became less useful and besides, as those that lived through maintenance of such code, misleading or erronous. From what I have seen, the use of underscores or prefix styles is usually done to avoid name collisions between class field/member declarations and parameter names that might be used in methods or constructor parameter lists. My opinion is that there are better means to do this by either avoiding the collision or use of a qualifying this. to scope to the correct member. Hence, I do not find use of prefix or underscores useful but can live with them if used consistently.

                Don Eddleman Principal Enterprise Architect Healthways

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                • R Rocky Moore

                  Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

                  Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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                  BC3Tech
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                  i vote m_ here.

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                  • D DavidNohejl

                    Stick^ wrote:

                    Read a good discussion about it in Code Complete 2nd Edition.

                    I didn't get there yet, but yesterday I read capitol where is suggested that it might be good idea to prefix input parameters with i_, output parameters by o_ and parameters that will be modified by.... m_ ! :wtf:


                    "Throughout human history, we have been dependent on machines to survive. Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony. " - Morpheus

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                    Stick
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                    Actually better to use IN and OUT as you will find MS doing. Forgot the techie name for this syntax in signatures, but the only reason MS is doing it is they are going for interoperability with .NET languages.

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                    • R Rocky Moore

                      Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

                      Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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                      I used the m prefix when using VB6. Now with VS2005, I much prefer the _ and have also stoped using str, int, prefixes also. Much more like the Java mode for naming object. David

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                      • R Rocky Moore

                        Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

                        Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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                        I usually name the private member in lowercase, and the Properties to access them in CamelCase.

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                        • A Aaron VanWieren

                          Mohamed A. Meligy wrote:

                          class library developer guidance.

                          Just curious, but do you have a link for this. Whenever I look for this, I find a gazillion different styles being used in Microsoft example code.

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                          Search MSDN for naming conventions.

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                          • R Rocky Moore

                            Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

                            Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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                            >Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? My habit is to use m_ for module level variables. I never make them public. If I want to expose its value, I use a property to get or set it. I use no prefix for variables whose scope is within the method. I also use a 3 letter prefix for the data type, e.g. strName, m_lngCount, etc. It is not the only way, but it is a way I like, it is readable, and I see no reason to change. I never saw a reason to simply use a "_". I remember the days when processor cycles and memory (RAM and disk) were at such a premium that code was cryptic. Those days have been gone for decades, so I saw no reason not to use more human readable names. JD Waleska, GA

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                            • P Phil Harding

                              Rocky Moore wrote:

                              Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members

                              Firmly in the "m_" camp for class attributes (member variables is sooo last season) :)

                              Phil Harding.
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                              DavidNohejl
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                              We call' em fields.


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                                We call' em fields.


                                "Throughout human history, we have been dependent on machines to survive. Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony. " - Morpheus

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                                Phil Harding
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                                dnh wrote:

                                We call' em fields

                                Luddite :)

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                                • R Rocky Moore

                                  Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

                                  Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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                                  Member 96
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                                  It took me a *long* time to break that habit when I moved to c#.

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                                  • R Rocky Moore

                                    Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

                                    Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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                                    For those who are interested, I created a poll to settle this once and for all (:laugh:). Variable Naming Conventions Poll[^] BTW: The site is new - Any feed back would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Steve

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                                    • R Rocky Moore

                                      Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

                                      Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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                                      the real r2d2
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                                      For members: itsDoc For arguements: theDoc For locals: aOK = false; while( ! aOK ) { : : aOK = true; } return aOK;

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                                      • A Aaron VanWieren

                                        Can't stand _them. Sorry to butt in on this, but this is one thing I truly hate. Isn't this part of or all of the Hungarian notation? Which has historical roots in early programming?

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                                        AccorTracy
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                                        Can't stand them either. Half the time I'll fat-finger it and type ")" or "+", which means I have to stop and fix it, or look down at the keyboard to make sure my ring-finger is hitting the right key.

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                                        • R Rocky Moore

                                          Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

                                          Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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                                          No. I reject such nonsense. When you say: private int NumberOfWheels; ...that makes it pretty clear. I reject comments, prefixes, and anything besides the above to define a variable. Everything you need to know about it is in the definition. I would also avoid basing any decisions on Microsoft sample code.

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