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  • W Wags

    Hmmm... Many people would have read it as (for the second job), that the $5000 increments were in terms of yearly salary. Therefore the calculations for each year would be: First year: It would pay 180,000 * 0.5 + 185,000 * 0.5 = 182,500; Second year: 190,000 * 0.5 + 195,000 * 0.5 = 192,500; Third year: 200,000 * 0.5 + 205,000 * 0.5 = 202,500. Total = 577,500 Just because job 2 gives a raise (assumed to be an annual salary raise) doesn't mean you get that entire $5,000 in the remaining 6 months of the year: you would only get 6 months pro rata. (I know this is how it works with my pay. I wish it was calculated your way.) :)

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    The question clearly states that $5000 increment every 6 months , how can you assume its not 5000, but 2500 for 6 months This is not at all a puzzle of "trick of words in the question"

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      Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

      hike of 5,000 is on the annual salary

      ???? the question says with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months. why will it be on the annual salary ? as per your explaination , it needs to be $5,000 raise every 12 months, not 6 months then only you can count 2500 for 6 months -- modified at 19:52 Tuesday 16th January, 2007 -- modified at 19:53 Tuesday 16th January, 2007

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      Nish beat me to it. I guess the puzzle was ambiguous: I've never heard of a raise working like that. (What's it a raise on if not the annual salary?!) No matter. Kept us (semi-)entertained for a bit. Thanks Quartz. (:beer: and then bed I think.)

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        Quartz... wrote:

        have posted the solution here[^] see for yourself

        I've replied to your solution, which I believe is not right. To make your solution right, the original puzzle has to be reworded.

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        Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

        the original puzzle has to be reworded

        This is definetly not a "trick of words" puzzle, the question clearly stated that the increment is 5000, every 6 months

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          Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

          hike of 5,000 is on the annual salary

          ???? the question says with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months. why will it be on the annual salary ? as per your explaination , it needs to be $5,000 raise every 12 months, not 6 months then only you can count 2500 for 6 months -- modified at 19:52 Tuesday 16th January, 2007 -- modified at 19:53 Tuesday 16th January, 2007

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          Quartz... wrote:

          the question says with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months. why will it be on the annual salary ?

          All figures are mentioned in annual wage terms. The 180K is the annual salary. So a 5K hike means, it's a hike on the annual salary.

          Quartz... wrote:

          as per your explaination , it needs to be $5,000 raise every 12 months, not 6 months then only you can count 2500 for 6 months

          No. The hike is given every 6 months, but the hike is applied on the annual salary. For example if my salary is 24K annually, I get 2K per month. Say at the end of the 3rd month my pay is revised to 30K annually. That's a hike of 6K. Now my monthly pay becomes 2.5K. That's how salaries are defined. So as I said, your solution is not right - and to make it right, you'd have to change your original question.

          Regards, Nish


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          • W Wags

            Nish beat me to it. I guess the puzzle was ambiguous: I've never heard of a raise working like that. (What's it a raise on if not the annual salary?!) No matter. Kept us (semi-)entertained for a bit. Thanks Quartz. (:beer: and then bed I think.)

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            Wags wrote:

            Nish beat me to it. I guess the puzzle was ambiguous: I've never heard of a raise working like that. (What's it a raise on if not the annual salary?!) No matter. Kept us (semi-)entertained for a bit. Thanks Quartz.

            I think he worded the question wrong.

            Regards, Nish


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            • R Raj Lal

              The question clearly states that $5000 increment every 6 months , how can you assume its not 5000, but 2500 for 6 months This is not at all a puzzle of "trick of words in the question"

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              Quartz... wrote:

              The question clearly states that $5000 increment every 6 months , how can you assume its not 5000, but 2500 for 6 months

              $5000 increment every six months means that his annual salary is incremented by $5000. It does not mean his 6-monthly salary is incremented by $5000. The default salary is annual. So all salary hikes are also annual :-)

              Regards, Nish


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              • R Raj Lal

                Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                the original puzzle has to be reworded

                This is definetly not a "trick of words" puzzle, the question clearly stated that the increment is 5000, every 6 months

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                Quartz... wrote:

                This is definetly not a "trick of words" puzzle, the question clearly stated that the increment is 5000, every 6 months

                Yes, and increments are always applied on the annual salary. Every six months, his annual pay is incremented by 5000.

                Regards, Nish


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                • W Wags

                  I'm sure it's meant to be a serious puzzle but it still doesn't make sense to me. Faulty reasoning? :confused: http://www.cut-the-knot.org/arithmetic/Kline-Loyd.shtml[^] Perhaps Quartz could explain in his own words.:suss:

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                  Ahhh! Thanks for the link, that explains it.

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                    Quartz... wrote:

                    the question says with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months. why will it be on the annual salary ?

                    All figures are mentioned in annual wage terms. The 180K is the annual salary. So a 5K hike means, it's a hike on the annual salary.

                    Quartz... wrote:

                    as per your explaination , it needs to be $5,000 raise every 12 months, not 6 months then only you can count 2500 for 6 months

                    No. The hike is given every 6 months, but the hike is applied on the annual salary. For example if my salary is 24K annually, I get 2K per month. Say at the end of the 3rd month my pay is revised to 30K annually. That's a hike of 6K. Now my monthly pay becomes 2.5K. That's how salaries are defined. So as I said, your solution is not right - and to make it right, you'd have to change your original question.

                    Regards, Nish


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                    I am quite surprised by your argument. even when the question clearly says the its 5000 raise every 6 months i mean what does "EVERY 6 MONTHS" implies here you might want to look at this here[^]

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                      Quartz... wrote:

                      The question clearly states that $5000 increment every 6 months , how can you assume its not 5000, but 2500 for 6 months

                      $5000 increment every six months means that his annual salary is incremented by $5000. It does not mean his 6-monthly salary is incremented by $5000. The default salary is annual. So all salary hikes are also annual :-)

                      Regards, Nish


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                      How is that possible, $5000 increment every six months when you are "ACTUALLY" adding only 2500 every 6 months :)

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                      • W Wags

                        Nish beat me to it. I guess the puzzle was ambiguous: I've never heard of a raise working like that. (What's it a raise on if not the annual salary?!) No matter. Kept us (semi-)entertained for a bit. Thanks Quartz. (:beer: and then bed I think.)

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                        Wags wrote:

                        I guess the puzzle was ambiguous

                        This is a classic puzzle "In Mathematical Puzzles of Sam Loyd (M. Gardner, Dover, 1959) " before anyone of us were even born Clickety[^]

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                        • R Raj Lal

                          How is that possible, $5000 increment every six months when you are "ACTUALLY" adding only 2500 every 6 months :)

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                          Quartz... wrote:

                          $5000 increment every six months

                          I think you and I can argue on this forever, and still disagree. To me, the above statement means that every 6 months, my salary will be hiked by $5000. And my salary is in annual terms (that's standard the world over).

                          Regards, Nish


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                          • R Raj Lal

                            I am quite surprised by your argument. even when the question clearly says the its 5000 raise every 6 months i mean what does "EVERY 6 MONTHS" implies here you might want to look at this here[^]

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                            Quartz... wrote:

                            i mean what does "EVERY 6 MONTHS" implies here

                            It implies that he gets a hike every 6 months. It does not imply that the hike amount is applied over his next 6 months of pay.

                            Quartz... wrote:

                            you might want to look at this here[^]

                            I read that too. That's worded wrong too - similar to how you worded it. It won't stand a legal scrutiny. Anyway I think we've argued enough on this. I still stand by my original point. :)

                            Regards, Nish


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                              Quartz... wrote:

                              i mean what does "EVERY 6 MONTHS" implies here

                              It implies that he gets a hike every 6 months. It does not imply that the hike amount is applied over his next 6 months of pay.

                              Quartz... wrote:

                              you might want to look at this here[^]

                              I read that too. That's worded wrong too - similar to how you worded it. It won't stand a legal scrutiny. Anyway I think we've argued enough on this. I still stand by my original point. :)

                              Regards, Nish


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                              ok so according to you if a company say they will pay you a hike of $100 every month You will expect to get actually $ (100/12) every month according to your logic.

                              Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                              It won't stand a legal scrutiny

                              I suggest you ask your hr manager/account manager and confirm this, What it means when the company says RAISE of $5000 every 6 months. You arew actually confusing with %age increment which is in most companies annually so they say 10% increment ANNUALLY (implied that, its on annual salary because IT specifically says ANNUALLY) Even if the increment is 10% semi-annually or 6 monthly, that means it applies to semi annual income or 6 months income.

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