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  • R Raj Lal

    Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

    hike of 5,000 is on the annual salary

    ???? the question says with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months. why will it be on the annual salary ? as per your explaination , it needs to be $5,000 raise every 12 months, not 6 months then only you can count 2500 for 6 months -- modified at 19:52 Tuesday 16th January, 2007 -- modified at 19:53 Tuesday 16th January, 2007

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    Nish beat me to it. I guess the puzzle was ambiguous: I've never heard of a raise working like that. (What's it a raise on if not the annual salary?!) No matter. Kept us (semi-)entertained for a bit. Thanks Quartz. (:beer: and then bed I think.)

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      Quartz... wrote:

      have posted the solution here[^] see for yourself

      I've replied to your solution, which I believe is not right. To make your solution right, the original puzzle has to be reworded.

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      Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

      the original puzzle has to be reworded

      This is definetly not a "trick of words" puzzle, the question clearly stated that the increment is 5000, every 6 months

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      • R Raj Lal

        Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

        hike of 5,000 is on the annual salary

        ???? the question says with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months. why will it be on the annual salary ? as per your explaination , it needs to be $5,000 raise every 12 months, not 6 months then only you can count 2500 for 6 months -- modified at 19:52 Tuesday 16th January, 2007 -- modified at 19:53 Tuesday 16th January, 2007

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        Quartz... wrote:

        the question says with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months. why will it be on the annual salary ?

        All figures are mentioned in annual wage terms. The 180K is the annual salary. So a 5K hike means, it's a hike on the annual salary.

        Quartz... wrote:

        as per your explaination , it needs to be $5,000 raise every 12 months, not 6 months then only you can count 2500 for 6 months

        No. The hike is given every 6 months, but the hike is applied on the annual salary. For example if my salary is 24K annually, I get 2K per month. Say at the end of the 3rd month my pay is revised to 30K annually. That's a hike of 6K. Now my monthly pay becomes 2.5K. That's how salaries are defined. So as I said, your solution is not right - and to make it right, you'd have to change your original question.

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        • W Wags

          Nish beat me to it. I guess the puzzle was ambiguous: I've never heard of a raise working like that. (What's it a raise on if not the annual salary?!) No matter. Kept us (semi-)entertained for a bit. Thanks Quartz. (:beer: and then bed I think.)

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          Wags wrote:

          Nish beat me to it. I guess the puzzle was ambiguous: I've never heard of a raise working like that. (What's it a raise on if not the annual salary?!) No matter. Kept us (semi-)entertained for a bit. Thanks Quartz.

          I think he worded the question wrong.

          Regards, Nish


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          • R Raj Lal

            The question clearly states that $5000 increment every 6 months , how can you assume its not 5000, but 2500 for 6 months This is not at all a puzzle of "trick of words in the question"

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            Quartz... wrote:

            The question clearly states that $5000 increment every 6 months , how can you assume its not 5000, but 2500 for 6 months

            $5000 increment every six months means that his annual salary is incremented by $5000. It does not mean his 6-monthly salary is incremented by $5000. The default salary is annual. So all salary hikes are also annual :-)

            Regards, Nish


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            • R Raj Lal

              Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

              the original puzzle has to be reworded

              This is definetly not a "trick of words" puzzle, the question clearly stated that the increment is 5000, every 6 months

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              Nish Nishant
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              Quartz... wrote:

              This is definetly not a "trick of words" puzzle, the question clearly stated that the increment is 5000, every 6 months

              Yes, and increments are always applied on the annual salary. Every six months, his annual pay is incremented by 5000.

              Regards, Nish


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              • W Wags

                I'm sure it's meant to be a serious puzzle but it still doesn't make sense to me. Faulty reasoning? :confused: http://www.cut-the-knot.org/arithmetic/Kline-Loyd.shtml[^] Perhaps Quartz could explain in his own words.:suss:

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                Ahhh! Thanks for the link, that explains it.

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                • N Nish Nishant

                  Quartz... wrote:

                  the question says with a guaranteed $5,000 raise every six months. why will it be on the annual salary ?

                  All figures are mentioned in annual wage terms. The 180K is the annual salary. So a 5K hike means, it's a hike on the annual salary.

                  Quartz... wrote:

                  as per your explaination , it needs to be $5,000 raise every 12 months, not 6 months then only you can count 2500 for 6 months

                  No. The hike is given every 6 months, but the hike is applied on the annual salary. For example if my salary is 24K annually, I get 2K per month. Say at the end of the 3rd month my pay is revised to 30K annually. That's a hike of 6K. Now my monthly pay becomes 2.5K. That's how salaries are defined. So as I said, your solution is not right - and to make it right, you'd have to change your original question.

                  Regards, Nish


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                  I am quite surprised by your argument. even when the question clearly says the its 5000 raise every 6 months i mean what does "EVERY 6 MONTHS" implies here you might want to look at this here[^]

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                  • N Nish Nishant

                    Quartz... wrote:

                    The question clearly states that $5000 increment every 6 months , how can you assume its not 5000, but 2500 for 6 months

                    $5000 increment every six months means that his annual salary is incremented by $5000. It does not mean his 6-monthly salary is incremented by $5000. The default salary is annual. So all salary hikes are also annual :-)

                    Regards, Nish


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                    How is that possible, $5000 increment every six months when you are "ACTUALLY" adding only 2500 every 6 months :)

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                    • W Wags

                      Nish beat me to it. I guess the puzzle was ambiguous: I've never heard of a raise working like that. (What's it a raise on if not the annual salary?!) No matter. Kept us (semi-)entertained for a bit. Thanks Quartz. (:beer: and then bed I think.)

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                      Wags wrote:

                      I guess the puzzle was ambiguous

                      This is a classic puzzle "In Mathematical Puzzles of Sam Loyd (M. Gardner, Dover, 1959) " before anyone of us were even born Clickety[^]

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                      • R Raj Lal

                        How is that possible, $5000 increment every six months when you are "ACTUALLY" adding only 2500 every 6 months :)

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                        Quartz... wrote:

                        $5000 increment every six months

                        I think you and I can argue on this forever, and still disagree. To me, the above statement means that every 6 months, my salary will be hiked by $5000. And my salary is in annual terms (that's standard the world over).

                        Regards, Nish


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                        • R Raj Lal

                          I am quite surprised by your argument. even when the question clearly says the its 5000 raise every 6 months i mean what does "EVERY 6 MONTHS" implies here you might want to look at this here[^]

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                          Nish Nishant
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                          Quartz... wrote:

                          i mean what does "EVERY 6 MONTHS" implies here

                          It implies that he gets a hike every 6 months. It does not imply that the hike amount is applied over his next 6 months of pay.

                          Quartz... wrote:

                          you might want to look at this here[^]

                          I read that too. That's worded wrong too - similar to how you worded it. It won't stand a legal scrutiny. Anyway I think we've argued enough on this. I still stand by my original point. :)

                          Regards, Nish


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                          • N Nish Nishant

                            Quartz... wrote:

                            i mean what does "EVERY 6 MONTHS" implies here

                            It implies that he gets a hike every 6 months. It does not imply that the hike amount is applied over his next 6 months of pay.

                            Quartz... wrote:

                            you might want to look at this here[^]

                            I read that too. That's worded wrong too - similar to how you worded it. It won't stand a legal scrutiny. Anyway I think we've argued enough on this. I still stand by my original point. :)

                            Regards, Nish


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                            Raj Lal
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                            ok so according to you if a company say they will pay you a hike of $100 every month You will expect to get actually $ (100/12) every month according to your logic.

                            Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                            It won't stand a legal scrutiny

                            I suggest you ask your hr manager/account manager and confirm this, What it means when the company says RAISE of $5000 every 6 months. You arew actually confusing with %age increment which is in most companies annually so they say 10% increment ANNUALLY (implied that, its on annual salary because IT specifically says ANNUALLY) Even if the increment is 10% semi-annually or 6 monthly, that means it applies to semi annual income or 6 months income.

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