Unacceptable?
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See[^]. Does anyone see a problem here? Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it? Is Visual Studio really so deficient that a programmer must resort to a wiki to get a function header? Is C# so incomplete that a programmer can't convert a point from device to logical coordinates without leaping out of the managed code paradigm? Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.
In a perfect world, yes. In reality, it's a coin toss. Keep in mind, if you think this is bad, try programming in Unix, specifically GUI programming with the idiocies of X. Talk about incomplete documentation. The problem, IMHO, is the lack of competition, both for Microsoft, and for unix like systems, specifically those unix systems that insist on promoting the brain dead X system. Curiosity: As I typed this, FF underlined "unix" as a spelling error. When I right clicked on the text, the first suggestion I got in the menu was "unfix". I thought that was funny :)
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See[^]. Does anyone see a problem here? Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it? Is Visual Studio really so deficient that a programmer must resort to a wiki to get a function header? Is C# so incomplete that a programmer can't convert a point from device to logical coordinates without leaping out of the managed code paradigm? Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.
The Grand Negus wrote:
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Blast! I wish you had at least written "See Nish's thread" instead of objectifying me and my thread into a mere incident you could capitalize on to push your stuff. I bet that if your English language compiler works at all, that it lacks politeness and etiquette and is an extremely rude compiler. :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
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See[^]. Does anyone see a problem here? Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it? Is Visual Studio really so deficient that a programmer must resort to a wiki to get a function header? Is C# so incomplete that a programmer can't convert a point from device to logical coordinates without leaping out of the managed code paradigm? Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it?
They did. In the form of C/C++ header files. Which, in their wisdom, they made inaccessible to C# and VB.NET apps, except via a C++/CLI proxy. Enter PInvoke, a souped-up version of a feature in classic VB. End result: it's actually less error-prone to call native APIs from C++/CLI than it is from the supposedly "safe" languages... Was it a stupid move? Well, yes. But if you look at it from the perspective of creating a platform that wouldn't need access to low-level routines... it's still stupid. But perhaps understandable, at least as a hack for those of us needing access to very old routines living in DLLs where the source code is no longer available. But yeah, i wouldn't recommend it for new systems, and i'm surprised MS didn't provide a better way of accessing WinAPI routines.
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See[^]. Does anyone see a problem here? Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it? Is Visual Studio really so deficient that a programmer must resort to a wiki to get a function header? Is C# so incomplete that a programmer can't convert a point from device to logical coordinates without leaping out of the managed code paradigm? Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Does anyone see a problem here?
Yes. You are not the world's cop on what is right and wrong.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it?
It is documented. In fact, there's a lot of information on using PInvoke on the Microsoft website that is FAR better than what's on pinvoke.net. Just because someone decides to re-invent the wheel (which frankly is what pinvoke is in many cases) doesn't mean somebody else isn't doing there job.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.
Why? The implication here is that Microsoft must be perfect and that a community built resource is somehow representative of imperfection. If you want to make the world a better place, I'd start with something more important to the average Joe than whether Microsoft provides an C# pinvoke example for every one of its (documented) SDK API's. If you want to make this forum a better place, I'd suggest taking a hike. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
The Grand Negus wrote:
See[^].
Blast! I wish you had at least written "See Nish's thread" instead of objectifying me and my thread into a mere incident you could capitalize on to push your stuff. I bet that if your English language compiler works at all, that it lacks politeness and etiquette and is an extremely rude compiler. :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
thread into a mere incident you could capitalize on to push your stuff.
To be fair he has not mentioned PEC in his post.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
that it lacks politeness and etiquette and is an extremely rude compiler.
:laugh::laugh:
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The Grand Negus wrote:
See[^].
Blast! I wish you had at least written "See Nish's thread" instead of objectifying me and my thread into a mere incident you could capitalize on to push your stuff. I bet that if your English language compiler works at all, that it lacks politeness and etiquette and is an extremely rude compiler. :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
that it lacks politeness and etiquette and is an extremely rude compiler.
His compiler probably so verbose it spits out a novel just to explain how your English language description of what you want done is inconsistent, incomplete, and irrelevant, complete with fictitous characters, a complex plot involving a murder, and heck, maybe even a sex scene or two. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
that it lacks politeness and etiquette and is an extremely rude compiler.
His compiler probably so verbose it spits out a novel just to explain how your English language description of what you want done is inconsistent, incomplete, and irrelevant, complete with fictitous characters, a complex plot involving a murder, and heck, maybe even a sex scene or two. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
and heck, maybe even a sex scene or two.
Marc, it looks as if that LA hangover is gonna linger on for a few days more :rolleyes: :-D
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*) -
See[^]. Does anyone see a problem here? Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it? Is Visual Studio really so deficient that a programmer must resort to a wiki to get a function header? Is C# so incomplete that a programmer can't convert a point from device to logical coordinates without leaping out of the managed code paradigm? Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.
I don't recognize the term "unacceptable".
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See[^]. Does anyone see a problem here? Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it? Is Visual Studio really so deficient that a programmer must resort to a wiki to get a function header? Is C# so incomplete that a programmer can't convert a point from device to logical coordinates without leaping out of the managed code paradigm? Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.
Clearly, you have no idea how this stuff works. The Microsoft API is documented, how to call that API from C# is documented, the site is there so people don't have to reinvent the wheel.
Christian Graus - C++ MVP 'Why don't we jump on a fad that hasn't already been widely discredited ?' - Dilbert
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See[^]. Does anyone see a problem here? Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it? Is Visual Studio really so deficient that a programmer must resort to a wiki to get a function header? Is C# so incomplete that a programmer can't convert a point from device to logical coordinates without leaping out of the managed code paradigm? Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.
Hello! I'm thinking on start to post a lot of messages related to the great paradigm of the new plain CATALAN LANGUAGE COMPILER... It is as strange as yours, but I like CATALAN and I'll use that language to do that... Could you please send me all the source code of your work... Then I'll be able to translate the functions and all this stuff to CATALAN. I'm sure that only me will use that, but then this will place CATALAN at the same level than ENGLISH... (ooops! sorry, I shouldn't have posted that here...) I've seen that negus is a noun used formerly as a title for emperors of Ethiopia... (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/negus[^])... I don't want to be an emperor... I think I can continue being the BIGGEST AND GREATEST SUPER-ULTRA-WONDERFUL-EVER-KING-OF-THE-UNIVERSE-THAT-IS-BIGGER-THAN-ANYTHING-ELSE-EVEN-THE-GRAND-NEGUS-DON'T-MISS-THAT... and as I suppose that nobody here will speak CATALAN, I'll translate it as Joan Murt... (in this way I must not change my name here in CP)... PS: this is for you guys in the CP... be prepared... I'm coming!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHHHAHAAHHHHHghg ggc *cough* *cough* :rose:
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
that it lacks politeness and etiquette and is an extremely rude compiler.
His compiler probably so verbose it spits out a novel just to explain how your English language description of what you want done is inconsistent, incomplete, and irrelevant, complete with fictitous characters, a complex plot involving a murder, and heck, maybe even a sex scene or two. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
The Grand Negus wrote:
Does anyone see a problem here?
Yes. You are not the world's cop on what is right and wrong.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it?
It is documented. In fact, there's a lot of information on using PInvoke on the Microsoft website that is FAR better than what's on pinvoke.net. Just because someone decides to re-invent the wheel (which frankly is what pinvoke is in many cases) doesn't mean somebody else isn't doing there job.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.
Why? The implication here is that Microsoft must be perfect and that a community built resource is somehow representative of imperfection. If you want to make the world a better place, I'd start with something more important to the average Joe than whether Microsoft provides an C# pinvoke example for every one of its (documented) SDK API's. If you want to make this forum a better place, I'd suggest taking a hike. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
Yes. You are not the world's cop on what is right and wrong.
:laugh: So true. I wish I could have voted you higher than 5!
Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Boy, you've turned nasty. And you know better. Why?
Because YOU should know better, yet continue to demonstrate that you don't. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
Hello! I'm thinking on start to post a lot of messages related to the great paradigm of the new plain CATALAN LANGUAGE COMPILER... It is as strange as yours, but I like CATALAN and I'll use that language to do that... Could you please send me all the source code of your work... Then I'll be able to translate the functions and all this stuff to CATALAN. I'm sure that only me will use that, but then this will place CATALAN at the same level than ENGLISH... (ooops! sorry, I shouldn't have posted that here...) I've seen that negus is a noun used formerly as a title for emperors of Ethiopia... (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/negus[^])... I don't want to be an emperor... I think I can continue being the BIGGEST AND GREATEST SUPER-ULTRA-WONDERFUL-EVER-KING-OF-THE-UNIVERSE-THAT-IS-BIGGER-THAN-ANYTHING-ELSE-EVEN-THE-GRAND-NEGUS-DON'T-MISS-THAT... and as I suppose that nobody here will speak CATALAN, I'll translate it as Joan Murt... (in this way I must not change my name here in CP)... PS: this is for you guys in the CP... be prepared... I'm coming!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHHHAHAAHHHHHghg ggc *cough* *cough* :rose:
Do you have a manifesto, or was that just it? :rolleyes:
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes -
The Grand Negus wrote:
Does anyone see a problem here?
Yes. You are not the world's cop on what is right and wrong.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it?
It is documented. In fact, there's a lot of information on using PInvoke on the Microsoft website that is FAR better than what's on pinvoke.net. Just because someone decides to re-invent the wheel (which frankly is what pinvoke is in many cases) doesn't mean somebody else isn't doing there job.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.
Why? The implication here is that Microsoft must be perfect and that a community built resource is somehow representative of imperfection. If you want to make the world a better place, I'd start with something more important to the average Joe than whether Microsoft provides an C# pinvoke example for every one of its (documented) SDK API's. If you want to make this forum a better place, I'd suggest taking a hike. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc - I'm getting a slight hint of ambivalence towards pinvoke.net from you here.
the last thing I want to see is some pasty-faced geek with skin so pale that it's almost translucent trying to bump parts with a partner - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before. -
See[^]. Does anyone see a problem here? Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it? Is Visual Studio really so deficient that a programmer must resort to a wiki to get a function header? Is C# so incomplete that a programmer can't convert a point from device to logical coordinates without leaping out of the managed code paradigm? Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.
Unacceptable? The Grand Negus Is it an odd, yet humorous, coincidence that these two items appear on the same line? Yes, I think so! Ah, but not quite a coincidence, rather a statement of belief for I do find you Unacceptable.
Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic
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Do you have a manifesto, or was that just it? :rolleyes:
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes -
Marc - I'm getting a slight hint of ambivalence towards pinvoke.net from you here.
the last thing I want to see is some pasty-faced geek with skin so pale that it's almost translucent trying to bump parts with a partner - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.Pete O`Hanlon wrote:
Marc - I'm getting a slight hint of ambivalence towards pinvoke.net from you here.
Well, after my experience with asynchronous device read/write functions not properly handling GC issues, yeah, I'm ambivalent. OTOH, I didn't take the time to edit the page and fix it, so I'm still part of the problem, rather than the solution. :) Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
See[^]. Does anyone see a problem here? Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it? Is Visual Studio really so deficient that a programmer must resort to a wiki to get a function header? Is C# so incomplete that a programmer can't convert a point from device to logical coordinates without leaping out of the managed code paradigm? Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it?
Is that really what Microsoft's job is? There's no argument that they wouldn't have got to where they are had they not opened up APIs for everyone to use but did they have to? I don't think so. Whatever....I'm so ashamed that because of their idiocyncrocies I can make a good living for life. Bummer.
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See[^]. Does anyone see a problem here? Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it? Is Visual Studio really so deficient that a programmer must resort to a wiki to get a function header? Is C# so incomplete that a programmer can't convert a point from device to logical coordinates without leaping out of the managed code paradigm? Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Unacceptable?
your middle name. ;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)