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  • M Marc Clifton

    Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

    that it lacks politeness and etiquette and is an extremely rude compiler.

    His compiler probably so verbose it spits out a novel just to explain how your English language description of what you want done is inconsistent, incomplete, and irrelevant, complete with fictitous characters, a complex plot involving a murder, and heck, maybe even a sex scene or two. Marc

    Thyme In The Country

    People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
    There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
    People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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    Nish Nishant
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    Marc Clifton wrote:

    and heck, maybe even a sex scene or two.

    Marc, it looks as if that LA hangover is gonna linger on for a few days more :rolleyes: :-D

    Regards, Nish


    Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
    Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)

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      See[^]. Does anyone see a problem here? Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it? Is Visual Studio really so deficient that a programmer must resort to a wiki to get a function header? Is C# so incomplete that a programmer can't convert a point from device to logical coordinates without leaping out of the managed code paradigm? Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.

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      PIEBALDconsult
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      I don't recognize the term "unacceptable".

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        See[^]. Does anyone see a problem here? Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it? Is Visual Studio really so deficient that a programmer must resort to a wiki to get a function header? Is C# so incomplete that a programmer can't convert a point from device to logical coordinates without leaping out of the managed code paradigm? Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.

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        Christian Graus
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        Clearly, you have no idea how this stuff works.  The Microsoft API is documented, how to call that API from C# is documented, the site is there so people don't have to reinvent the wheel.

        Christian Graus - C++ MVP 'Why don't we jump on a fad that hasn't already been widely discredited ?' - Dilbert

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          See[^]. Does anyone see a problem here? Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it? Is Visual Studio really so deficient that a programmer must resort to a wiki to get a function header? Is C# so incomplete that a programmer can't convert a point from device to logical coordinates without leaping out of the managed code paradigm? Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.

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          Joan M
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          Hello! I'm thinking on start to post a lot of messages related to the great paradigm of the new plain CATALAN LANGUAGE COMPILER... It is as strange as yours, but I like CATALAN and I'll use that language to do that... Could you please send me all the source code of your work... Then I'll be able to translate the functions and all this stuff to CATALAN. I'm sure that only me will use that, but then this will place CATALAN at the same level than ENGLISH... (ooops! sorry, I shouldn't have posted that here...) I've seen that negus is a noun used formerly as a title for emperors of Ethiopia... (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/negus[^])... I don't want to be an emperor... I think I can continue being the BIGGEST AND GREATEST SUPER-ULTRA-WONDERFUL-EVER-KING-OF-THE-UNIVERSE-THAT-IS-BIGGER-THAN-ANYTHING-ELSE-EVEN-THE-GRAND-NEGUS-DON'T-MISS-THAT... and as I suppose that nobody here will speak CATALAN, I'll translate it as Joan Murt... (in this way I must not change my name here in CP)... PS: this is for you guys in the CP... be prepared... I'm coming!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHHHAHAAHHHHHghg ggc *cough* *cough* :rose:

          https://www.robotecnik.com freelance robots, PLC and CNC programmer.

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          • M Marc Clifton

            Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

            that it lacks politeness and etiquette and is an extremely rude compiler.

            His compiler probably so verbose it spits out a novel just to explain how your English language description of what you want done is inconsistent, incomplete, and irrelevant, complete with fictitous characters, a complex plot involving a murder, and heck, maybe even a sex scene or two. Marc

            Thyme In The Country

            People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
            There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
            People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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            Boy, you've turned nasty. And you know better. Why?

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            • M Marc Clifton

              The Grand Negus wrote:

              Does anyone see a problem here?

              Yes. You are not the world's cop on what is right and wrong.

              The Grand Negus wrote:

              Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it?

              It is documented. In fact, there's a lot of information on using PInvoke on the Microsoft website that is FAR better than what's on pinvoke.net. Just because someone decides to re-invent the wheel (which frankly is what pinvoke is in many cases) doesn't mean somebody else isn't doing there job.

              The Grand Negus wrote:

              Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.

              Why? The implication here is that Microsoft must be perfect and that a community built resource is somehow representative of imperfection. If you want to make the world a better place, I'd start with something more important to the average Joe than whether Microsoft provides an C# pinvoke example for every one of its (documented) SDK API's. If you want to make this forum a better place, I'd suggest taking a hike. Marc

              Thyme In The Country

              People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
              There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
              People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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              Dave Kreskowiak
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              Marc Clifton wrote:

              Yes. You are not the world's cop on what is right and wrong.

              :laugh: So true. I wish I could have voted you higher than 5!

              Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic

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                Boy, you've turned nasty. And you know better. Why?

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                Marc Clifton
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                The Grand Negus wrote:

                Boy, you've turned nasty. And you know better. Why?

                Because YOU should know better, yet continue to demonstrate that you don't. Marc

                Thyme In The Country

                People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                  Hello! I'm thinking on start to post a lot of messages related to the great paradigm of the new plain CATALAN LANGUAGE COMPILER... It is as strange as yours, but I like CATALAN and I'll use that language to do that... Could you please send me all the source code of your work... Then I'll be able to translate the functions and all this stuff to CATALAN. I'm sure that only me will use that, but then this will place CATALAN at the same level than ENGLISH... (ooops! sorry, I shouldn't have posted that here...) I've seen that negus is a noun used formerly as a title for emperors of Ethiopia... (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/negus[^])... I don't want to be an emperor... I think I can continue being the BIGGEST AND GREATEST SUPER-ULTRA-WONDERFUL-EVER-KING-OF-THE-UNIVERSE-THAT-IS-BIGGER-THAN-ANYTHING-ELSE-EVEN-THE-GRAND-NEGUS-DON'T-MISS-THAT... and as I suppose that nobody here will speak CATALAN, I'll translate it as Joan Murt... (in this way I must not change my name here in CP)... PS: this is for you guys in the CP... be prepared... I'm coming!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHHHAHAAHHHHHghg ggc *cough* *cough* :rose:

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                  JimmyRopes
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                  Do you have a manifesto, or was that just it? :rolleyes:

                  Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
                  Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
                  I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes

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                  • M Marc Clifton

                    The Grand Negus wrote:

                    Does anyone see a problem here?

                    Yes. You are not the world's cop on what is right and wrong.

                    The Grand Negus wrote:

                    Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it?

                    It is documented. In fact, there's a lot of information on using PInvoke on the Microsoft website that is FAR better than what's on pinvoke.net. Just because someone decides to re-invent the wheel (which frankly is what pinvoke is in many cases) doesn't mean somebody else isn't doing there job.

                    The Grand Negus wrote:

                    Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.

                    Why? The implication here is that Microsoft must be perfect and that a community built resource is somehow representative of imperfection. If you want to make the world a better place, I'd start with something more important to the average Joe than whether Microsoft provides an C# pinvoke example for every one of its (documented) SDK API's. If you want to make this forum a better place, I'd suggest taking a hike. Marc

                    Thyme In The Country

                    People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                    There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                    People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                    Pete OHanlon
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                    Marc - I'm getting a slight hint of ambivalence towards pinvoke.net from you here.

                    the last thing I want to see is some pasty-faced geek with skin so pale that it's almost translucent trying to bump parts with a partner - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                    Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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                      See[^]. Does anyone see a problem here? Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it? Is Visual Studio really so deficient that a programmer must resort to a wiki to get a function header? Is C# so incomplete that a programmer can't convert a point from device to logical coordinates without leaping out of the managed code paradigm? Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.

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                      Dave Kreskowiak
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                      Unacceptable? The Grand Negus Is it an odd, yet humorous, coincidence that these two items appear on the same line? Yes, I think so! Ah, but not quite a coincidence, rather a statement of belief for I do find you Unacceptable.

                      Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic

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                        Do you have a manifesto, or was that just it? :rolleyes:

                        Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
                        Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
                        I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes

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                        Joan M
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                        ... I'm still thinking on that... was that important? did I had to have a manifesto? :~ Here I have one: I'm going to sleep... 22:08 and I've been working from 7:00... :zzz: Have a good night to you and to all the CPians... :zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz:

                        https://www.robotecnik.com freelance robots, PLC and CNC programmer.

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                        • P Pete OHanlon

                          Marc - I'm getting a slight hint of ambivalence towards pinvoke.net from you here.

                          the last thing I want to see is some pasty-faced geek with skin so pale that it's almost translucent trying to bump parts with a partner - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                          Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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                          Marc Clifton
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                          Pete O`Hanlon wrote:

                          Marc - I'm getting a slight hint of ambivalence towards pinvoke.net from you here.

                          Well, after my experience with asynchronous device read/write functions not properly handling GC issues, yeah, I'm ambivalent. OTOH, I didn't take the time to edit the page and fix it, so I'm still part of the problem, rather than the solution. :) Marc

                          Thyme In The Country

                          People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                          There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                          People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                            See[^]. Does anyone see a problem here? Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it? Is Visual Studio really so deficient that a programmer must resort to a wiki to get a function header? Is C# so incomplete that a programmer can't convert a point from device to logical coordinates without leaping out of the managed code paradigm? Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.

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                            Mark Salsbery
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                            The Grand Negus wrote:

                            Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it?

                            Is that really what Microsoft's job is? There's no argument that they wouldn't have got to where they are had they not opened up APIs for everyone to use but did they have to? I don't think so. Whatever....I'm so ashamed that because of their idiocyncrocies I can make a good living for life. Bummer.

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                              See[^]. Does anyone see a problem here? Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it? Is Visual Studio really so deficient that a programmer must resort to a wiki to get a function header? Is C# so incomplete that a programmer can't convert a point from device to logical coordinates without leaping out of the managed code paradigm? Clearly, anyone who promotes Microsoft's principles and products should be ashamed.

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                              El Corazon
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                              The Grand Negus wrote:

                              Unacceptable?

                              your middle name. ;P

                              _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                                Hello! I'm thinking on start to post a lot of messages related to the great paradigm of the new plain CATALAN LANGUAGE COMPILER... It is as strange as yours, but I like CATALAN and I'll use that language to do that... Could you please send me all the source code of your work... Then I'll be able to translate the functions and all this stuff to CATALAN. I'm sure that only me will use that, but then this will place CATALAN at the same level than ENGLISH... (ooops! sorry, I shouldn't have posted that here...) I've seen that negus is a noun used formerly as a title for emperors of Ethiopia... (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/negus[^])... I don't want to be an emperor... I think I can continue being the BIGGEST AND GREATEST SUPER-ULTRA-WONDERFUL-EVER-KING-OF-THE-UNIVERSE-THAT-IS-BIGGER-THAN-ANYTHING-ELSE-EVEN-THE-GRAND-NEGUS-DON'T-MISS-THAT... and as I suppose that nobody here will speak CATALAN, I'll translate it as Joan Murt... (in this way I must not change my name here in CP)... PS: this is for you guys in the CP... be prepared... I'm coming!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHHHAHAAHHHHHghg ggc *cough* *cough* :rose:

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                                Gary R Wheeler
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                                Joan Murt wrote:

                                I've seen that negus is a noun used formerly as a title for emperors of Ethiopia...

                                Actually, I think he named himself after the leader of the Ferengi[^] from Star Trek. Very apropos, if you think about it. A nasty little troll with delusions of grandeur.


                                Software Zen: delete this;

                                Fold With Us![^]

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                                  The Grand Negus wrote:

                                  Isn't it Microsoft's job to document the operating system and provide programmers with the means to use it?

                                  Is that really what Microsoft's job is? There's no argument that they wouldn't have got to where they are had they not opened up APIs for everyone to use but did they have to? I don't think so. Whatever....I'm so ashamed that because of their idiocyncrocies I can make a good living for life. Bummer.

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                                  Mark Salsbery wrote:

                                  Is that really what Microsoft's job is?

                                  Yes. The vendor of an operating system documents his work so others can write application programs that run on top of it.

                                  Mark Salsbery wrote:

                                  because of their idiocyncrocies I can make a good living for life.

                                  Is making up for the idiosyncrasies of another really a "good living"? And do you really want to do that for your whole life? You sound ripe for a blessing - the Great Osmosian Blessing: "May God give you exactly what you're asking for." Amen.

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                                    Mark Salsbery wrote:

                                    Is that really what Microsoft's job is?

                                    Yes. The vendor of an operating system documents his work so others can write application programs that run on top of it.

                                    Mark Salsbery wrote:

                                    because of their idiocyncrocies I can make a good living for life.

                                    Is making up for the idiosyncrasies of another really a "good living"? And do you really want to do that for your whole life? You sound ripe for a blessing - the Great Osmosian Blessing: "May God give you exactly what you're asking for." Amen.

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                                    Shog9 0
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                                    The Grand Negus wrote:

                                    The vendor of an operating system documents his work so others can write application programs that run on top of it.

                                    I'm not convinced that MS is really in the OS business though. Oh, they create and sell operating systems, no doubt about that... but i never got a good vibe from them, if you know what i mean - it always seemed as though operating systems, frameworks, platforms... were sort of a by-product of whatever it was MS was really up to...

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                                      Mark Salsbery wrote:

                                      Is that really what Microsoft's job is?

                                      Yes. The vendor of an operating system documents his work so others can write application programs that run on top of it.

                                      Mark Salsbery wrote:

                                      because of their idiocyncrocies I can make a good living for life.

                                      Is making up for the idiosyncrasies of another really a "good living"? And do you really want to do that for your whole life? You sound ripe for a blessing - the Great Osmosian Blessing: "May God give you exactly what you're asking for." Amen.

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                                      Mark Salsbery
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                                      The Grand Negus wrote:

                                      Yes. The vendor of an operating system documents his work so others can write application programs that run on top of it.

                                      In a perfect world. I still don't believe it's a requirement.

                                      The Grand Negus wrote:

                                      Is making up for the idiosyncrasies of another really a "good living"? And do you really want to do that for your whole life?

                                      I'm personally having no trouble with writing for the Windows OS. If I have to occasionally dig for a solution then that's ok. Many people won't even look in the SDK. All I'm saying is if it was easy and perfectly documented then everybody would be doing it and I wouldn't make as much money. That may go against your Osmosian order but frankly, I'm no spiritual coder. I do it for the money. I'd rather not have to work :) Thanks for the blessing :)

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                                        The Grand Negus wrote:

                                        The vendor of an operating system documents his work so others can write application programs that run on top of it.

                                        I'm not convinced that MS is really in the OS business though. Oh, they create and sell operating systems, no doubt about that... but i never got a good vibe from them, if you know what i mean - it always seemed as though operating systems, frameworks, platforms... were sort of a by-product of whatever it was MS was really up to...

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                                        Mark Salsbery
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                                        I agree. I'm far from being a conspiracy theorist but I've been convinced on one occasion that MS only provided a dumbed-down API. Why wouldn't they though? They are in the software business and being the OS creator as well has distinct advantages :) That's a much more lowdown and dirty tactic then having some lame documentation IMO. Mark

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                                          The Grand Negus wrote:

                                          The vendor of an operating system documents his work so others can write application programs that run on top of it.

                                          I'm not convinced that MS is really in the OS business though. Oh, they create and sell operating systems, no doubt about that... but i never got a good vibe from them, if you know what i mean - it always seemed as though operating systems, frameworks, platforms... were sort of a by-product of whatever it was MS was really up to...

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                                          I have a book with interviews of "successful" developers from years back. One of them is Bill Gates and he goes on and on about how proud he was to be able to squeeze the print command for his basic interpreter into 20 bytes of assembler code. You're right; somewhere along the line his priorities changed...

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