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  • C Chris Maunder

    Suddenly every second submission I'm seeing is packed full of RAR nastiness. Has someone, somewhere decided that WinRAR is way, way cooler than Winzip and I didn't get the memo? Or is there a university somewhere preaching zip bad, rar good? It's just weird.

    cheers, Chris Maunder

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    NutSoft
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    Whilst I agree that WinZIP has the better user interface, you can't escape from the fact that there's a lot of RAR archives out there, so you need to at least be able to read them. I also use WinRAR to extract from ISO files - can you do that with WinZIP?

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    • C Chris Maunder

      Suddenly every second submission I'm seeing is packed full of RAR nastiness. Has someone, somewhere decided that WinRAR is way, way cooler than Winzip and I didn't get the memo? Or is there a university somewhere preaching zip bad, rar good? It's just weird.

      cheers, Chris Maunder

      CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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      Don Miguel
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      The possibility to repair a damaged rar archive make it better than zip ones. I was few times put in situation to repair a damaged rar archive and, to my surprise, reapiring works!!! So, IMHO, with this capability rar take over the zip.

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      • H Hans Dietrich

        Are all the 7-zip compression choices compatible with Winzip?

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        Abu Mami
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        7-zip is able to decompress anything that Winzip compresses (at least as far as I've encountered so far). However, Winzip isn't able to decompress the 7-zip format from what I know.

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        • K Kyudos

          Why not just get ZipGenius[^]? It handles all your favourite compression algorithms. And it's free. You can stop arguing now.

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          Abu Mami
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          I was using ZipGenius for a while but I had some serious speed problems with it. It would take forever to start up. I was lazy and went back to WinZip - I then discovered 7-zip and have been too lazy to pursue the issue further.

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          • V Vikram A Punathambekar

            I hate the WinRar interface. X| Besides, Rar is not as ubiquitous as Zip.

            Cheers, Vikram.


            "...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.

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            destynova
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            Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

            I hate the WinRar interface.

            I liked it until it started asking me for money all the time... Then I got 7Zip. Now that I'm using linux most of the time, I just use the commandline versions (rar -x... etc) or Ark/File Roller or something.

            Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

            Besides, Rar is not as ubiquitous as Zip.

            Well, at one time black and white TVs were more ubiquitous than colour TVs. Aren't you glad that didn't stop colour TV?

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            • C Chris Maunder

              Suddenly every second submission I'm seeing is packed full of RAR nastiness. Has someone, somewhere decided that WinRAR is way, way cooler than Winzip and I didn't get the memo? Or is there a university somewhere preaching zip bad, rar good? It's just weird.

              cheers, Chris Maunder

              CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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              pjrf
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              WinZip was very popular, until WinRar appear! Since there I only use WinRar. Of couse some persons froze in time... and it still is installed on corporate windows machines. Not that I tried other like 7zip but the result was always the same, WinRar can compress very good at great performance (Just see the memory signature to realize what is the best compress tool for Windows users...)

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              • C Chris Maunder

                Suddenly every second submission I'm seeing is packed full of RAR nastiness. Has someone, somewhere decided that WinRAR is way, way cooler than Winzip and I didn't get the memo? Or is there a university somewhere preaching zip bad, rar good? It's just weird.

                cheers, Chris Maunder

                CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                Lost User
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                I must come out of the closet for the fact that I, too, am a WinRAR fan. Unlike some others here, I far prefer the interface over WinZip (which never fails to make me feel like I should be on the floor with Duplo-blocks), and the integrated XP-zip? That just doesn't do it for me. Aside from that another factor is compatibility, I seem to hang out with RAR-types (someone pointed out that in "Europe" RAR was more popular, which I'd never thought about), so I work with that format most anyway. Now excuse me, I need to grow my hair further and smoke some weed.

                Paul

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                • C Chris Maunder

                  Suddenly every second submission I'm seeing is packed full of RAR nastiness. Has someone, somewhere decided that WinRAR is way, way cooler than Winzip and I didn't get the memo? Or is there a university somewhere preaching zip bad, rar good? It's just weird.

                  cheers, Chris Maunder

                  CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                  rabryst
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                  I use a free program called IZarc. It does everything, for free. "If you break a crumb in half, you have two crumbs." - George Carlin

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                  • J Johann Gerell

                    In all my recent XP installs, I've stopped installing WinZip, since the builtin ZIP-support of XP is enough as I see it. Oh, and I hate RAR.

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                    adudley256
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                    How many times have you hit extract twice? its just rubbish

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                    • M Michael Dunn

                      I've always found WinRAR to give better compression than WinZip 9 (although I haven't tried the new compression in WZ9 for compatibility reasons). RAR is popular in Europe, I'd actually never heard of it until I started exchanging files with my friend in Denmark.

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                      Sarath C
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                      Michael Dunn wrote:

                      I've always found WinRAR to give better compression than WinZip 9

                      You said it... I had a release to the offshore team members and I compresses the source files and binaries. It was nearly 52 MB or something when I used zip but in RAR which compressed the files 3 - 4MB lesser in size. Actually the size of the file really very costly while transfer data through FTP or some other slow medium.

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                      • C Chris Maunder

                        Suddenly every second submission I'm seeing is packed full of RAR nastiness. Has someone, somewhere decided that WinRAR is way, way cooler than Winzip and I didn't get the memo? Or is there a university somewhere preaching zip bad, rar good? It's just weird.

                        cheers, Chris Maunder

                        CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                        ednrgc
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                        Zip for work, RAR for personal......and I don't know why :wtf: Actually, I like it because it can handle multiple formats, rendering Winzip useless.

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                          How many times have you hit extract twice? its just rubbish

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                          Johann Gerell
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                          adudley256 wrote:

                          How many times have you hit extract twice?

                          Not once. Never.

                          adudley256 wrote:

                          its just rubbish

                          Nope, it's good enough[^]

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                          • C Chris Maunder

                            Suddenly every second submission I'm seeing is packed full of RAR nastiness. Has someone, somewhere decided that WinRAR is way, way cooler than Winzip and I didn't get the memo? Or is there a university somewhere preaching zip bad, rar good? It's just weird.

                            cheers, Chris Maunder

                            CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                            Adriaan Davel
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                            I'm not too sure about the newer Winzip versions, but the one I tested (not sure what version that was either as I have been using WinRar) could not compress files over 4 GB or something like that. Also when compressing database backups WinRar archives ended up to be about 10 - 50 % of Winzip archive sizes, so that sold WinRar to me (most of our backups are over 4Gb as well...) Not sure if WinZip has caught up, but I'm so happy with WinRar, I'm not moving. (Also WinRar actually put me in contact with their developers about features I needed, could get any support from WinZip...)

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                            • C Chris Maunder

                              Suddenly every second submission I'm seeing is packed full of RAR nastiness. Has someone, somewhere decided that WinRAR is way, way cooler than Winzip and I didn't get the memo? Or is there a university somewhere preaching zip bad, rar good? It's just weird.

                              cheers, Chris Maunder

                              CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                              Lost User
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                              RAR has better compression than ZIP and better spanning support, so it only makes sense that it's used more. However it seems to be a bit slower on the extraction side. I know nothing of 7Z, but if its compression is better then I'm all for it. Another note is that WinZip can't extract some RAR archives, not even in v11.

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                              • P Phillip Martin

                                Rar has always been way way cooler than zip. Better compression, solid archives, better spanning, zip just isn't in the same league. I never ever understood why zip files beat out both Rar and Arj archives. Winzip was the massive nail in the coffin for me. Horrid user interface, block whenever you click on a window to move it. Blechy! Rar Rar, Hes our man! If he can't do it, No one ... will. - Phil

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                                tliebscher_it
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                                Completely agreed. We developers internally only use WinRAR, since it provides a way better compression at the same speed as WinZip. Only if we send stuff out, we let WinRAR create zip-files, since the average XP-user usually doesn't have clue what to do with a rar. Greetz Torsten

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                                • C Chris Maunder

                                  Suddenly every second submission I'm seeing is packed full of RAR nastiness. Has someone, somewhere decided that WinRAR is way, way cooler than Winzip and I didn't get the memo? Or is there a university somewhere preaching zip bad, rar good? It's just weird.

                                  cheers, Chris Maunder

                                  CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                                  in9mar
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                                  The answer is clearly http://www.7-zip.org/ Better compression than both WinRar or WinZip, GPL, nice integration into explorer shell, no popups, good GUI, and Microsoft exchange server is too dumb to block .7z attachments. :cool:

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                                    Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

                                    I hate the WinRar interface.

                                    I liked it until it started asking me for money all the time... Then I got 7Zip. Now that I'm using linux most of the time, I just use the commandline versions (rar -x... etc) or Ark/File Roller or something.

                                    Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

                                    Besides, Rar is not as ubiquitous as Zip.

                                    Well, at one time black and white TVs were more ubiquitous than colour TVs. Aren't you glad that didn't stop colour TV?

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                                    Vikram A Punathambekar
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                                    destynova wrote:

                                    Well, at one time black and white TVs were more ubiquitous than colour TVs. Aren't you glad that didn't stop colour TV?

                                    That is ridiculous. Having a color TV when most of your neighbors have B&W TVs doesn't mean you can't watch their TV once in a while or the other way round. On the other hand, if somebody sends a RAR file, the receiver *has* to have WinRAR#; which is not the case with Zip files. # Or a compatible program, of course. On a lighter note, I don't watch TV. :-D

                                    Cheers, Vikram.


                                    "...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.

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                                    • C Chris Maunder

                                      Suddenly every second submission I'm seeing is packed full of RAR nastiness. Has someone, somewhere decided that WinRAR is way, way cooler than Winzip and I didn't get the memo? Or is there a university somewhere preaching zip bad, rar good? It's just weird.

                                      cheers, Chris Maunder

                                      CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                                      SheepYNesS
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                                      Hi chris Just for interest sake. If my memory serves me correct, RAR has better compression than ZIP. That aside, I dont use RAR or ZIP. I use WinAce (ACE compression). The app can handle almost anything (RAR, ZIP, PKZip, etc) and i find the interface a lot friendlier and attractive. (although ACE compression isnt as good as RAR). If you haven't tried it, give it a shot...i guarantee you'll be hooked. I am at least

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                                      • A adudley256

                                        How many times have you hit extract twice? its just rubbish

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                                        Kenpo Randy Jones
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                                        I have to agree with the other "never" response. I have unziped thousands of files using the built in zip and never once had to do it a second time. It is about as idiot proof as it gets. Granted there are features missing if you want to pack something up for distribution but that is not what it was meant for.

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                                          I use a free program called IZarc. It does everything, for free. "If you break a crumb in half, you have two crumbs." - George Carlin

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                                          Steve Holle
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                                          I agree. I use IZArc and am completely satisfied with it's operation and interface.

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