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I have been asked by a large overseas company (reputable in principle) to develop a custom app. I have not done this kind of thing before and would like comments from experienced CPians. I shouldn't have a problem with the price tag: work hours + resources. However, should I ask for a written contract? A 10% upfront fee? Payment/delivery schedule? Keep in mind that the whole transaction will be done via email. As always, thank you all.
DaTxomin wrote:
should I ask for a written contract?
Definitely. Without a contract you'll probably work "for free." Trust noone. :suss:
DaTxomin wrote:
A 10% upfront fee?
If you can get more, get more. What you get upfront could very well be all that you get. I might sound paranoid, but everyone wants a free lunch.
DaTxomin wrote:
Payment/delivery schedule?
Absolutely. Make sure that they can't go live with the app until you receive all (or almost all) of the payments. That will buy you some leverage in case they try to stiff you.
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I have been asked by a large overseas company (reputable in principle) to develop a custom app. I have not done this kind of thing before and would like comments from experienced CPians. I shouldn't have a problem with the price tag: work hours + resources. However, should I ask for a written contract? A 10% upfront fee? Payment/delivery schedule? Keep in mind that the whole transaction will be done via email. As always, thank you all.
Well I haven't done this either but I'd say
DaTxomin wrote:
should I ask for a written contract?
Hell yeah to that! No written contract equals no work.
DaTxomin wrote:
Payment/delivery schedule?
Probably. Good luck!!!
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Ask for a detailed specification, then provide a quote and ask for 30% up front.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Thanks for the reply, Christian. I have requested the specification and am aware of the demons of poorly detaled ones. Now, 30%!, wow, I am out of touch. How do you handle delivery of the final product? Per full payment or by providing a working demo that may lock or...?
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Well I haven't done this either but I'd say
DaTxomin wrote:
should I ask for a written contract?
Hell yeah to that! No written contract equals no work.
DaTxomin wrote:
Payment/delivery schedule?
Probably. Good luck!!!
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Techno Silliness
Jim Crafton wrote:
Probably.
I can see that providing clarity is your forte. ;)
:josh: My WPF Blog[^]
I reckon they call me Captain Funkalot cuz I's be frequently getting funky and what not. -
DaTxomin wrote:
should I ask for a written contract?
Definitely. Without a contract you'll probably work "for free." Trust noone. :suss:
DaTxomin wrote:
A 10% upfront fee?
If you can get more, get more. What you get upfront could very well be all that you get. I might sound paranoid, but everyone wants a free lunch.
DaTxomin wrote:
Payment/delivery schedule?
Absolutely. Make sure that they can't go live with the app until you receive all (or almost all) of the payments. That will buy you some leverage in case they try to stiff you.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^]
I reckon they call me Captain Funkalot cuz I's be frequently getting funky and what not. -
Jim Crafton wrote:
Probably.
I can see that providing clarity is your forte. ;)
:josh: My WPF Blog[^]
I reckon they call me Captain Funkalot cuz I's be frequently getting funky and what not.I try :)
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I do, I do, I do get paranoid. I just don't want to ruin it because of it because it sounds interesting.
DaTxomin wrote:
I do, I do, I do get paranoid. I just don't want to ruin it because of it because it sounds interesting.
I wasn't joking. There's nothing wrong with a healthy dose of paranoia.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^]
I reckon they call me Captain Funkalot cuz I's be frequently getting funky and what not. -
Thanks for the reply, Christian. I have requested the specification and am aware of the demons of poorly detaled ones. Now, 30%!, wow, I am out of touch. How do you handle delivery of the final product? Per full payment or by providing a working demo that may lock or...?
I give them the exe, then they pay 33%. Then I give them the source code, and they pay the remainder.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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I give them the exe, then they pay 33%. Then I give them the source code, and they pay the remainder.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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DaTxomin wrote:
I do, I do, I do get paranoid. I just don't want to ruin it because of it because it sounds interesting.
I wasn't joking. There's nothing wrong with a healthy dose of paranoia.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^]
I reckon they call me Captain Funkalot cuz I's be frequently getting funky and what not. -
DaTxomin wrote:
I wasn't joking either, unfortunately.
:laugh:
:josh: My WPF Blog[^]
I reckon they call me Captain Funkalot cuz I's be frequently getting funky and what not. -
I give them the exe, then they pay 33%. Then I give them the source code, and they pay the remainder.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
i hear the work is through rentacoder ;) bryce
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i hear the work is through rentacoder ;) bryce
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Interesting. I have not considered releasing the source. Shouldn't that up the price somewhat? It seems to make a big difference to me.
DaTxomin wrote:
I have not considered releasing the source
Then I hope you're not charging very much. If people pay you to write something, they own the source. At least, that's my attitude.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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I have been asked by a large overseas company (reputable in principle) to develop a custom app. I have not done this kind of thing before and would like comments from experienced CPians. I shouldn't have a problem with the price tag: work hours + resources. However, should I ask for a written contract? A 10% upfront fee? Payment/delivery schedule? Keep in mind that the whole transaction will be done via email. As always, thank you all.
DaTxomin wrote:
However, should I ask for a written contract?
Yes, in the most natural way possible, e.g., in the middle of the conversation, say it, "BTW, would you prefer sending me some form of a standard contract you may have, or should I send you mine?"
DaTxomin wrote:
A 10% upfront fee? Payment/delivery schedule?
I'd ask for both, although in my experience, companies are *very* sensitive to paying anything upfront in some countries (although I had no problem with some other countries).
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whose? well, mine isn't, and I would appreciate anything consructive if you can produce it.
It's a joke, it's well known around here that I had a bad experience doing RAC work a few years ago
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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DaTxomin wrote:
However, should I ask for a written contract?
Yes, in the most natural way possible, e.g., in the middle of the conversation, say it, "BTW, would you prefer sending me some form of a standard contract you may have, or should I send you mine?"
DaTxomin wrote:
A 10% upfront fee? Payment/delivery schedule?
I'd ask for both, although in my experience, companies are *very* sensitive to paying anything upfront in some countries (although I had no problem with some other countries).