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  • C Chris Maunder

    I just installed the latest update for Java. While doing this I was browsing the net, reading some news and doing other stuff using the browser. At the end of the Java install the installer closed all my browsing windows - without asking - and reloaded the Java.com page so I could "test my install". So I lost the messages I was typing, the news I was reading, and my online work. Thanks Sun. X|

    cheers, Chris Maunder

    CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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    Frank Kerrigan
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    Adobe auto update is anoying the hell out of me for the last wee while. It won't take no for an answer. You'd think saying no 100 times it would get the message.

    Grady Booch: I told Google to their face...what you need is some serious adult supervision. (2007 Turing lecture) http:\\www.frankkerrigan.com

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    • C Chris Maunder

      I just installed the latest update for Java. While doing this I was browsing the net, reading some news and doing other stuff using the browser. At the end of the Java install the installer closed all my browsing windows - without asking - and reloaded the Java.com page so I could "test my install". So I lost the messages I was typing, the news I was reading, and my online work. Thanks Sun. X|

      cheers, Chris Maunder

      CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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      benjymous
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      Ahh, but it's strongly recommended that you close all applications and retire to a safe distance before proceeding with the install, so it's your own fault really, expecting to be able to use your computer whilst it performs a glorified unzip. Honestly.

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      • D Dario Solera

        That's the Java way of doing things.

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        NormDroid
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        :laugh:

        We made the buttons on the screen look so good you'll want to lick them. Steve Jobs

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        • C Colin Angus Mackay

          Steve Hansen wrote:

          Quicktime Alternative & RealPlayer Alternative are the first 2 apps I install on any new installation

          Do you have links to that?


          Upcoming events: * Glasgow: Geek Dinner (5th March) * Edinburgh: Web Security Conference Day for Windows Developers (12th April) My: Website | Blog | Photos

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          Nish Nishant
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          Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

          Do you have links to that?

          This page does :- http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2003/06/12/8632.aspx[^]

          Regards, Nish


          Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
          Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)

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          • C Colin Angus Mackay

            Steve Hansen wrote:

            Quicktime Alternative & RealPlayer Alternative are the first 2 apps I install on any new installation

            Do you have links to that?


            Upcoming events: * Glasgow: Geek Dinner (5th March) * Edinburgh: Web Security Conference Day for Windows Developers (12th April) My: Website | Blog | Photos

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            Nish Nishant
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            I've been using Realplayer alt and Quicktime alt for 2+ years now. They work perfectly well :-)

            Regards, Nish


            Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
            Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)

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            • N Nish Nishant

              Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

              Do you have links to that?

              This page does :- http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2003/06/12/8632.aspx[^]

              Regards, Nish


              Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
              Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)

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              Dario Solera
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              Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

              This page does :- http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2003/06/12/8632.aspx\[^\]

              I'm quite scared of the comments to the post. :~

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              • D Dario Solera

                Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                This page does :- http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2003/06/12/8632.aspx\[^\]

                I'm quite scared of the comments to the post. :~

                ________________________________________________ Personal Blog [ITA] - Tech Blog [ENG] - My Photos Developing ScrewTurn Wiki 2.0 (2.0 RC is out)

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                Nish Nishant
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                Dario Solera wrote:

                I'm quite scared of the comments to the post.

                The comments were about Real Player and not about the Real and Quicktime alt players :-) I've been using the alt players for 2+ years now without any problem. Note that, some spurious sites may be distributing spyware-enhanced versions - so you should not download it from some random website.

                Regards, Nish


                Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)

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                • C Chris Maunder

                  I just installed the latest update for Java. While doing this I was browsing the net, reading some news and doing other stuff using the browser. At the end of the Java install the installer closed all my browsing windows - without asking - and reloaded the Java.com page so I could "test my install". So I lost the messages I was typing, the news I was reading, and my online work. Thanks Sun. X|

                  cheers, Chris Maunder

                  CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                  Nick Hodapp
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                  Why are you running Java?

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                    Why are you running Java?

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                    Nish Nishant
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                    Nick Hodapp wrote:

                    Why are you running Java?

                    All that biking in sub-zero temperatures seem to have had a maundering effect on Maunder. :rolleyes:

                    Regards, Nish


                    Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                    Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)

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                    • N Nick Hodapp

                      Why are you running Java?

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                      Colin Angus Mackay
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                      Nick Hodapp wrote:

                      Why are you running Java?

                      He's a heathen! Burn the heathen!


                      Upcoming events: * Glasgow: Geek Dinner (5th March) * Edinburgh: Web Security Conference Day for Windows Developers (12th April) My: Website | Blog | Photos

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                      • C Chris Maunder

                        I just installed the latest update for Java. While doing this I was browsing the net, reading some news and doing other stuff using the browser. At the end of the Java install the installer closed all my browsing windows - without asking - and reloaded the Java.com page so I could "test my install". So I lost the messages I was typing, the news I was reading, and my online work. Thanks Sun. X|

                        cheers, Chris Maunder

                        CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                        Charlie Williams
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                        I'd bet you dollars to donuts that the first thing the installer said was "It is strongly recommended that you exit all programs before continuing with this installation." I guess they really meant it this time. ;P


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                        • C Colin Angus Mackay

                          Steve Hansen wrote:

                          Quicktime Alternative & RealPlayer Alternative are the first 2 apps I install on any new installation

                          Do you have links to that?


                          Upcoming events: * Glasgow: Geek Dinner (5th March) * Edinburgh: Web Security Conference Day for Windows Developers (12th April) My: Website | Blog | Photos

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                          Steve Hansen
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                          http://www.free-codecs.com/download/QuickTime_Alternative.htm[^] http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Real_Alternative.htm[^] That's where I always get mine :)

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                          • C Chris Maunder

                            I just installed the latest update for Java. While doing this I was browsing the net, reading some news and doing other stuff using the browser. At the end of the Java install the installer closed all my browsing windows - without asking - and reloaded the Java.com page so I could "test my install". So I lost the messages I was typing, the news I was reading, and my online work. Thanks Sun. X|

                            cheers, Chris Maunder

                            CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                            Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                            Are you sure you did not miss this screen: http://www.codeproject.com/script/profile/upload/15383/Capture.JPG[^] I just installed it for Fun and found that dialog at the very beginning of the install.

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                            • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                              Are you sure you did not miss this screen: http://www.codeproject.com/script/profile/upload/15383/Capture.JPG[^] I just installed it for Fun and found that dialog at the very beginning of the install.

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                              Chris Maunder
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                              I didn't get that screen. That's very weird. But even if I did: Do you really expect me to read such warnings? And do something about them? C'mon, I'm a product of the '90s and have a short attention span.

                              cheers, Chris Maunder

                              CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                              • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                                Are you sure you did not miss this screen: http://www.codeproject.com/script/profile/upload/15383/Capture.JPG[^] I just installed it for Fun and found that dialog at the very beginning of the install.

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                                Dan Neely
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                                good point. while kill all generally indicates a lazy/incompetent author/phb, when the installer asks for a specific app there's generally a reason for it.

                                -- Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.

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                                • C Chris Maunder

                                  I just installed the latest update for Java. While doing this I was browsing the net, reading some news and doing other stuff using the browser. At the end of the Java install the installer closed all my browsing windows - without asking - and reloaded the Java.com page so I could "test my install". So I lost the messages I was typing, the news I was reading, and my online work. Thanks Sun. X|

                                  cheers, Chris Maunder

                                  CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                                  J Dunlap
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                                  An idea has crossed my mind several times for a site called installerwatch.com or something like that, where people can submit info about what the installers for different programs do to your system, and what to watch for. You could get info about an installer before you ran it, and hopefully it would also put pressure on developers to do a better job of their installers.

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                                  • C Chris Maunder

                                    I just installed the latest update for Java. While doing this I was browsing the net, reading some news and doing other stuff using the browser. At the end of the Java install the installer closed all my browsing windows - without asking - and reloaded the Java.com page so I could "test my install". So I lost the messages I was typing, the news I was reading, and my online work. Thanks Sun. X|

                                    cheers, Chris Maunder

                                    CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                                    Marc Clifton
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                                    Did you miss the "Close all applications before installing" message? That usually implies you don't open apps while installing either. Of course, the conclusion is probably based on a faulty premise: there was no "close all apps" message? Marc

                                    Thyme In The Country
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                                    People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                                    There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                                    People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                                    • W Wjousts

                                      Impolite installers are one of my pet peeves. It really annoys me when installer decides that they should plaster my desktop with icons without asking, mess with file associations and decided to run on start up and put a cute icon in my taskbar every time I start (I'm looking at you Quicktime and Real Player). :mad:

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                                      Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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                                      Wjousts wrote:

                                      plaster my desktop with icons without asking, mess with file associations

                                      True. I am annoyed with Netscape Communicator Installation. Icons of AOL which I can't use in India, Radio for which I don't have bandwidth and a lot of such things to clutter my desktop. Furthermore, Windows search is disturbed too.

                                      Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage Tech Gossips

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                                      • F Frank Kerrigan

                                        Adobe auto update is anoying the hell out of me for the last wee while. It won't take no for an answer. You'd think saying no 100 times it would get the message.

                                        Grady Booch: I told Google to their face...what you need is some serious adult supervision. (2007 Turing lecture) http:\\www.frankkerrigan.com

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                                        Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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                                        Frank Kerrigan wrote:

                                        You'd think saying no 100 times

                                        Window is frozen from user responses. :)

                                        Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage Tech Gossips

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                                        • M Marc Clifton

                                          Did you miss the "Close all applications before installing" message? That usually implies you don't open apps while installing either. Of course, the conclusion is probably based on a faulty premise: there was no "close all apps" message? Marc

                                          Thyme In The Country
                                          Interacx

                                          People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                                          There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                                          People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                                          Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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                                          Too many such messages make us just click 'OK' instead of reading it. There should be way where installer says 'Retry', 'Cancel' just Visual Studio setup doing when an IE or Visual Studio 6 is running.

                                          Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage Tech Gossips

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