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  • C Colin Angus Mackay

    Steve Hansen wrote:

    Quicktime Alternative & RealPlayer Alternative are the first 2 apps I install on any new installation

    Do you have links to that?


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    Nish Nishant
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    I've been using Realplayer alt and Quicktime alt for 2+ years now. They work perfectly well :-)

    Regards, Nish


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    • N Nish Nishant

      Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

      Do you have links to that?

      This page does :- http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2003/06/12/8632.aspx[^]

      Regards, Nish


      Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
      Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)

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      Dario Solera
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      Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

      This page does :- http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2003/06/12/8632.aspx\[^\]

      I'm quite scared of the comments to the post. :~

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        Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

        This page does :- http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2003/06/12/8632.aspx\[^\]

        I'm quite scared of the comments to the post. :~

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        Nish Nishant
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        Dario Solera wrote:

        I'm quite scared of the comments to the post.

        The comments were about Real Player and not about the Real and Quicktime alt players :-) I've been using the alt players for 2+ years now without any problem. Note that, some spurious sites may be distributing spyware-enhanced versions - so you should not download it from some random website.

        Regards, Nish


        Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
        Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)

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        • C Chris Maunder

          I just installed the latest update for Java. While doing this I was browsing the net, reading some news and doing other stuff using the browser. At the end of the Java install the installer closed all my browsing windows - without asking - and reloaded the Java.com page so I could "test my install". So I lost the messages I was typing, the news I was reading, and my online work. Thanks Sun. X|

          cheers, Chris Maunder

          CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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          Nick Hodapp
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          Why are you running Java?

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            Why are you running Java?

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            Nish Nishant
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            Nick Hodapp wrote:

            Why are you running Java?

            All that biking in sub-zero temperatures seem to have had a maundering effect on Maunder. :rolleyes:

            Regards, Nish


            Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
            Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)

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            • N Nick Hodapp

              Why are you running Java?

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              Colin Angus Mackay
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              Nick Hodapp wrote:

              Why are you running Java?

              He's a heathen! Burn the heathen!


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              • C Chris Maunder

                I just installed the latest update for Java. While doing this I was browsing the net, reading some news and doing other stuff using the browser. At the end of the Java install the installer closed all my browsing windows - without asking - and reloaded the Java.com page so I could "test my install". So I lost the messages I was typing, the news I was reading, and my online work. Thanks Sun. X|

                cheers, Chris Maunder

                CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                Charlie Williams
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                I'd bet you dollars to donuts that the first thing the installer said was "It is strongly recommended that you exit all programs before continuing with this installation." I guess they really meant it this time. ;P


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                • C Colin Angus Mackay

                  Steve Hansen wrote:

                  Quicktime Alternative & RealPlayer Alternative are the first 2 apps I install on any new installation

                  Do you have links to that?


                  Upcoming events: * Glasgow: Geek Dinner (5th March) * Edinburgh: Web Security Conference Day for Windows Developers (12th April) My: Website | Blog | Photos

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                  Steve Hansen
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                  http://www.free-codecs.com/download/QuickTime_Alternative.htm[^] http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Real_Alternative.htm[^] That's where I always get mine :)

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                  • C Chris Maunder

                    I just installed the latest update for Java. While doing this I was browsing the net, reading some news and doing other stuff using the browser. At the end of the Java install the installer closed all my browsing windows - without asking - and reloaded the Java.com page so I could "test my install". So I lost the messages I was typing, the news I was reading, and my online work. Thanks Sun. X|

                    cheers, Chris Maunder

                    CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                    Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                    Are you sure you did not miss this screen: http://www.codeproject.com/script/profile/upload/15383/Capture.JPG[^] I just installed it for Fun and found that dialog at the very beginning of the install.

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                    • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                      Are you sure you did not miss this screen: http://www.codeproject.com/script/profile/upload/15383/Capture.JPG[^] I just installed it for Fun and found that dialog at the very beginning of the install.

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                      Chris Maunder
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                      I didn't get that screen. That's very weird. But even if I did: Do you really expect me to read such warnings? And do something about them? C'mon, I'm a product of the '90s and have a short attention span.

                      cheers, Chris Maunder

                      CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                      • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                        Are you sure you did not miss this screen: http://www.codeproject.com/script/profile/upload/15383/Capture.JPG[^] I just installed it for Fun and found that dialog at the very beginning of the install.

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                        Dan Neely
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                        good point. while kill all generally indicates a lazy/incompetent author/phb, when the installer asks for a specific app there's generally a reason for it.

                        -- Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.

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                        • C Chris Maunder

                          I just installed the latest update for Java. While doing this I was browsing the net, reading some news and doing other stuff using the browser. At the end of the Java install the installer closed all my browsing windows - without asking - and reloaded the Java.com page so I could "test my install". So I lost the messages I was typing, the news I was reading, and my online work. Thanks Sun. X|

                          cheers, Chris Maunder

                          CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                          J Dunlap
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                          An idea has crossed my mind several times for a site called installerwatch.com or something like that, where people can submit info about what the installers for different programs do to your system, and what to watch for. You could get info about an installer before you ran it, and hopefully it would also put pressure on developers to do a better job of their installers.

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                          • C Chris Maunder

                            I just installed the latest update for Java. While doing this I was browsing the net, reading some news and doing other stuff using the browser. At the end of the Java install the installer closed all my browsing windows - without asking - and reloaded the Java.com page so I could "test my install". So I lost the messages I was typing, the news I was reading, and my online work. Thanks Sun. X|

                            cheers, Chris Maunder

                            CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                            Marc Clifton
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                            Did you miss the "Close all applications before installing" message? That usually implies you don't open apps while installing either. Of course, the conclusion is probably based on a faulty premise: there was no "close all apps" message? Marc

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                            People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                            There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                            People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                            • W Wjousts

                              Impolite installers are one of my pet peeves. It really annoys me when installer decides that they should plaster my desktop with icons without asking, mess with file associations and decided to run on start up and put a cute icon in my taskbar every time I start (I'm looking at you Quicktime and Real Player). :mad:

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                              Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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                              Wjousts wrote:

                              plaster my desktop with icons without asking, mess with file associations

                              True. I am annoyed with Netscape Communicator Installation. Icons of AOL which I can't use in India, Radio for which I don't have bandwidth and a lot of such things to clutter my desktop. Furthermore, Windows search is disturbed too.

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                              • F Frank Kerrigan

                                Adobe auto update is anoying the hell out of me for the last wee while. It won't take no for an answer. You'd think saying no 100 times it would get the message.

                                Grady Booch: I told Google to their face...what you need is some serious adult supervision. (2007 Turing lecture) http:\\www.frankkerrigan.com

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                                Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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                                Frank Kerrigan wrote:

                                You'd think saying no 100 times

                                Window is frozen from user responses. :)

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                                • M Marc Clifton

                                  Did you miss the "Close all applications before installing" message? That usually implies you don't open apps while installing either. Of course, the conclusion is probably based on a faulty premise: there was no "close all apps" message? Marc

                                  Thyme In The Country
                                  Interacx

                                  People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                                  There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                                  People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                                  Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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                                  Too many such messages make us just click 'OK' instead of reading it. There should be way where installer says 'Retry', 'Cancel' just Visual Studio setup doing when an IE or Visual Studio 6 is running.

                                  Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage Tech Gossips

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                                  • M Marc Clifton

                                    Did you miss the "Close all applications before installing" message? That usually implies you don't open apps while installing either. Of course, the conclusion is probably based on a faulty premise: there was no "close all apps" message? Marc

                                    Thyme In The Country
                                    Interacx

                                    People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                                    There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                                    People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                                    Chris Maunder
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                                    Marc Clifton wrote:

                                    there was no "close all apps" message?

                                    Nope - and I'm usually pretty good about those things. So basically either user error or a bug in the installer. What's new, eh? ;)

                                    cheers, Chris Maunder

                                    CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                                    • C Chris Maunder

                                      I didn't get that screen. That's very weird. But even if I did: Do you really expect me to read such warnings? And do something about them? C'mon, I'm a product of the '90s and have a short attention span.

                                      cheers, Chris Maunder

                                      CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                                      Lost User
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                                      Chris Maunder wrote:

                                      I'm a product of the '90s and have a short attention span.

                                      I think you'll find it was the 80's, that lack of beer consumption has really messed with your mind.

                                      Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004

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                                      • C Chris Maunder

                                        I didn't get that screen. That's very weird. But even if I did: Do you really expect me to read such warnings? And do something about them? C'mon, I'm a product of the '90s and have a short attention span.

                                        cheers, Chris Maunder

                                        CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                                        Ashley van Gerven
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                                        Chris Maunder wrote:

                                        I didn't get that screen

                                        The reason you didn't get is that Sun have hard-coded the names of all Microsoft-based site owners in their installer ;P

                                        "For fifty bucks I'd put my face in their soup and blow." - George Costanza

                                        CP article: SmartPager - a Flickr-style pager control with go-to-page popup layer.

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                                        • A Ashley van Gerven

                                          Chris Maunder wrote:

                                          I didn't get that screen

                                          The reason you didn't get is that Sun have hard-coded the names of all Microsoft-based site owners in their installer ;P

                                          "For fifty bucks I'd put my face in their soup and blow." - George Costanza

                                          CP article: SmartPager - a Flickr-style pager control with go-to-page popup layer.

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                                          Chris Maunder
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                                          Ah...that ol' trick...

                                          cheers, Chris Maunder

                                          CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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