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  • M Marcus J Smith

    This is so minor it probably is a non issue but it bugs me.

    If blnFlag = False Then
    'Good
    Else
    Continue
    End If

    This happens alot but I believe it is better to say

    If blnFlag = True Then
    Continue
    End If


    CleaKO

    "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
    "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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    AncientCodeslinger
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    #4

    Both examples make me shudder. Why would you compare a boolean to True or False? It IS true or false.

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    • A AncientCodeslinger

      Both examples make me shudder. Why would you compare a boolean to True or False? It IS true or false.

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      Roger Bamforth
      wrote on last edited by
      #5

      Absolutely. Along the same lines, my pet peeve is

      bool b;

      if (condition)
      {
      b = true;
      }
      else
      {
      b = false;
      }

      what on earth is wrong with

      bool b = condition;

      Regards - Roger

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      • A AncientCodeslinger

        Both examples make me shudder. Why would you compare a boolean to True or False? It IS true or false.

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        Marcus J Smith
        wrote on last edited by
        #6

        I think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal.

        If boolean = True

        instead of just saying

        If boolean

        I just couldnt think of a good example but what I was getting at is really saying something like

        If strType = "GOOD" OrElse strType = "COOL" Then
        'Good Record
        Else
        blnError = True
        End If

        instead of saying

        If strType <> "GOOD" AndAlso strType <> "COOL" Then
        blnError = True
        End If


        CleaKO

        "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
        "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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        • M Marcus J Smith

          I think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal.

          If boolean = True

          instead of just saying

          If boolean

          I just couldnt think of a good example but what I was getting at is really saying something like

          If strType = "GOOD" OrElse strType = "COOL" Then
          'Good Record
          Else
          blnError = True
          End If

          instead of saying

          If strType <> "GOOD" AndAlso strType <> "COOL" Then
          blnError = True
          End If


          CleaKO

          "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
          "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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          jhwurmbach
          wrote on last edited by
          #7

          CleaKO wrote:

          think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal. If boolean = True instead of just saying If boolean

          Funny. For me its just the opposite: The superfluous = True imposes the nagging feel in me, I have missed something while reading the code. But then, the whole VB code gives me a screaming fit anyway. :rolleyes:


          Failure is not an option - it's built right in.

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          • M Marcus J Smith

            I think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal.

            If boolean = True

            instead of just saying

            If boolean

            I just couldnt think of a good example but what I was getting at is really saying something like

            If strType = "GOOD" OrElse strType = "COOL" Then
            'Good Record
            Else
            blnError = True
            End If

            instead of saying

            If strType <> "GOOD" AndAlso strType <> "COOL" Then
            blnError = True
            End If


            CleaKO

            "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
            "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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            Dave Kreskowiak
            wrote on last edited by
            #8

            Yeah, it's just the opposite for me too. Especially if you name your boolean properties or methods correctly.

            If UserIsInRole(user, role) Then
            

            Just the name of the function implies that it returns a True/False value.

            Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic

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            • M Marcus J Smith

              This is so minor it probably is a non issue but it bugs me.

              If blnFlag = False Then
              'Good
              Else
              Continue
              End If

              This happens alot but I believe it is better to say

              If blnFlag = True Then
              Continue
              End If


              CleaKO

              "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
              "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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              Shog9 0
              wrote on last edited by
              #9

              I prefer

              If ( isFlag ) Then Continue

              Succinct. :cool:

              ----

              It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.

              --Raymond Chen on MSDN

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              • R Roger Bamforth

                Absolutely. Along the same lines, my pet peeve is

                bool b;

                if (condition)
                {
                b = true;
                }
                else
                {
                b = false;
                }

                what on earth is wrong with

                bool b = condition;

                Regards - Roger

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                Josh Smith
                wrote on last edited by
                #10

                Roger Bamforth wrote:

                what on earth is wrong with bool b = condition;

                In general I completely agree with you. The only time I might use the "bad" way is for debugging purposes. If I only want a breakpoint to hit when 'condition' is false, then I will create an explicit if/else branch. Of course, after debugging I revert the code back to bool b = condition; (I'm usually too lazy to setup debugger conditions!)

                :josh: My WPF Blog[^]

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                • M Marcus J Smith

                  I think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal.

                  If boolean = True

                  instead of just saying

                  If boolean

                  I just couldnt think of a good example but what I was getting at is really saying something like

                  If strType = "GOOD" OrElse strType = "COOL" Then
                  'Good Record
                  Else
                  blnError = True
                  End If

                  instead of saying

                  If strType <> "GOOD" AndAlso strType <> "COOL" Then
                  blnError = True
                  End If


                  CleaKO

                  "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
                  "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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                  PIEBALDconsult
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #11

                  CleaKO wrote:

                  If boolean = True

                  But then you may have trouble when the code is ported to C, so you really need: If True = boolean

                  --| "Every tool is a hammer." |--

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                  • J Josh Smith

                    Roger Bamforth wrote:

                    what on earth is wrong with bool b = condition;

                    In general I completely agree with you. The only time I might use the "bad" way is for debugging purposes. If I only want a breakpoint to hit when 'condition' is false, then I will create an explicit if/else branch. Of course, after debugging I revert the code back to bool b = condition; (I'm usually too lazy to setup debugger conditions!)

                    :josh: My WPF Blog[^]

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                    Hal Angseesing
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #12

                    Yep, done this myself. And debugger conditional breakpoints are actually quite a lot slower than IP traps.

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                    • P PIEBALDconsult

                      CleaKO wrote:

                      If boolean = True

                      But then you may have trouble when the code is ported to C, so you really need: If True = boolean

                      --| "Every tool is a hammer." |--

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                      John R Shaw
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #13

                      It is a good idea to place the constant value to the left of the equality symbol in any language that supports them, to catch syntax errors. It just feels so unnatural to type it that way. ;)

                      INTP "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."Edsger Dijkstra

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                      • J jhwurmbach

                        CleaKO wrote:

                        think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal. If boolean = True instead of just saying If boolean

                        Funny. For me its just the opposite: The superfluous = True imposes the nagging feel in me, I have missed something while reading the code. But then, the whole VB code gives me a screaming fit anyway. :rolleyes:


                        Failure is not an option - it's built right in.

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                        John R Shaw
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #14

                        jhwurmbach wrote:

                        But then, the whole VB code gives me a screaming fit anyway.

                        I know the feeling. ;)

                        INTP "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."Edsger Dijkstra

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                        • P PIEBALDconsult

                          CleaKO wrote:

                          If boolean = True

                          But then you may have trouble when the code is ported to C, so you really need: If True = boolean

                          --| "Every tool is a hammer." |--

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                          Shog9 0
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #15

                          You might still have trouble in C, if you run up against code that uses other non-zero values for "true"...

                          ----

                          It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.

                          --Raymond Chen on MSDN

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                          • M Marcus J Smith

                            I think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal.

                            If boolean = True

                            instead of just saying

                            If boolean

                            I just couldnt think of a good example but what I was getting at is really saying something like

                            If strType = "GOOD" OrElse strType = "COOL" Then
                            'Good Record
                            Else
                            blnError = True
                            End If

                            instead of saying

                            If strType <> "GOOD" AndAlso strType <> "COOL" Then
                            blnError = True
                            End If


                            CleaKO

                            "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
                            "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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                            AncientCodeslinger
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #16

                            If that's how you use booleans, you might as well just use an integer set to 1 or 0 or a string set to "Y" or "N" (or "True" or "False"). How about: somethingIsWrong = (type <> "GOOD" AndAlso type <> "Cool") With a variable name that clearly expresses the condition represented by the boolean, the comparison to True or False becomes clearly redundant.

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                            • R Roger Bamforth

                              Absolutely. Along the same lines, my pet peeve is

                              bool b;

                              if (condition)
                              {
                              b = true;
                              }
                              else
                              {
                              b = false;
                              }

                              what on earth is wrong with

                              bool b = condition;

                              Regards - Roger

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                              Graham Bradshaw
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #17

                              Well, if the condition is to test the equality of two variables,

                              bool b;

                              if (x = y)
                              {
                              b = true;
                              }
                              else
                              {
                              b = false;
                              }

                              will give you a compiler warning, and

                              bool b = (x = y);

                              will not. (Note the assignment vs equality test bug)

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                              • R Roger Bamforth

                                Absolutely. Along the same lines, my pet peeve is

                                bool b;

                                if (condition)
                                {
                                b = true;
                                }
                                else
                                {
                                b = false;
                                }

                                what on earth is wrong with

                                bool b = condition;

                                Regards - Roger

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                                Kevin McFarlane
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #18

                                It's also quite common. I often find myself starting with the first one, then after testing, stepping through, etc., I refactor to the second.

                                Kevin

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                                • M Marcus J Smith

                                  I think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal.

                                  If boolean = True

                                  instead of just saying

                                  If boolean

                                  I just couldnt think of a good example but what I was getting at is really saying something like

                                  If strType = "GOOD" OrElse strType = "COOL" Then
                                  'Good Record
                                  Else
                                  blnError = True
                                  End If

                                  instead of saying

                                  If strType <> "GOOD" AndAlso strType <> "COOL" Then
                                  blnError = True
                                  End If


                                  CleaKO

                                  "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
                                  "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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                                  Kevin McFarlane
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #19

                                  The reason for the first is that some people have a fixation about negative conditionals, such that they will try and avoid them at all costs - such as the cost you describe!

                                  Kevin

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                                  • J jhwurmbach

                                    CleaKO wrote:

                                    think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal. If boolean = True instead of just saying If boolean

                                    Funny. For me its just the opposite: The superfluous = True imposes the nagging feel in me, I have missed something while reading the code. But then, the whole VB code gives me a screaming fit anyway. :rolleyes:


                                    Failure is not an option - it's built right in.

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                                    Kevin McFarlane
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #20

                                    jhwurmbach wrote:

                                    But then, the whole VB code gives me a screaming fit anyway.

                                    But you see such style in the C-family languages too, though it's probably less common.

                                    Kevin

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                                    • G Graham Bradshaw

                                      Well, if the condition is to test the equality of two variables,

                                      bool b;

                                      if (x = y)
                                      {
                                      b = true;
                                      }
                                      else
                                      {
                                      b = false;
                                      }

                                      will give you a compiler warning, and

                                      bool b = (x = y);

                                      will not. (Note the assignment vs equality test bug)

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                                      Roger Bamforth
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #21

                                      That's a good point and is actually something that had never occurred to me. However, whether or not you get a warning depends upon the types of x, y and b is not as simple as it seems. It is probably also language and compiler dependant. e.g in Visual C++

                                      bool x = true;
                                      bool y = true;
                                      bool b = (x = y);
                                      

                                      gives no warning, as you say, but

                                      int x = true;
                                      int y = true;
                                      bool b = (x = y);
                                      

                                      does generate a warning (forcing an int to be a bool) and

                                      int x = true;
                                      int y = true;
                                      BOOL b = (x = y);
                                      

                                      doesn't.

                                      Regards - Roger

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                                      • M Marcus J Smith

                                        This is so minor it probably is a non issue but it bugs me.

                                        If blnFlag = False Then
                                        'Good
                                        Else
                                        Continue
                                        End If

                                        This happens alot but I believe it is better to say

                                        If blnFlag = True Then
                                        Continue
                                        End If


                                        CleaKO

                                        "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
                                        "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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                                        Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #22

                                        If there is a complicated method and I want to indicate that I did indeed accomodate both possibilities I will, ocassionaly, leave a blank if. However, I almost never check a boolean variable against a boolean and instead prefer : if(isFlagSet){ //Some commented out code or not about //Why not used } else if(!isFlagSet){ //Some Actual code ... } else{ //File Not Found } Just kidding with the File not found!


                                        File Not Found

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                                        • M Marcus J Smith

                                          I think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal.

                                          If boolean = True

                                          instead of just saying

                                          If boolean

                                          I just couldnt think of a good example but what I was getting at is really saying something like

                                          If strType = "GOOD" OrElse strType = "COOL" Then
                                          'Good Record
                                          Else
                                          blnError = True
                                          End If

                                          instead of saying

                                          If strType <> "GOOD" AndAlso strType <> "COOL" Then
                                          blnError = True
                                          End If


                                          CleaKO

                                          "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
                                          "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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                                          peterchen
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #23

                                          boolean = True but that's a boolean expression again, which could be true.. or false. So to make absoultely clear you want b = true to be true (not false), you write If (boolean = True) = True lather, rinse, repeat :rolleyes:


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