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  • M Marcus J Smith

    I think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal.

    If boolean = True

    instead of just saying

    If boolean

    I just couldnt think of a good example but what I was getting at is really saying something like

    If strType = "GOOD" OrElse strType = "COOL" Then
    'Good Record
    Else
    blnError = True
    End If

    instead of saying

    If strType <> "GOOD" AndAlso strType <> "COOL" Then
    blnError = True
    End If


    CleaKO

    "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
    "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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    jhwurmbach
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    #7

    CleaKO wrote:

    think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal. If boolean = True instead of just saying If boolean

    Funny. For me its just the opposite: The superfluous = True imposes the nagging feel in me, I have missed something while reading the code. But then, the whole VB code gives me a screaming fit anyway. :rolleyes:


    Failure is not an option - it's built right in.

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    • M Marcus J Smith

      I think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal.

      If boolean = True

      instead of just saying

      If boolean

      I just couldnt think of a good example but what I was getting at is really saying something like

      If strType = "GOOD" OrElse strType = "COOL" Then
      'Good Record
      Else
      blnError = True
      End If

      instead of saying

      If strType <> "GOOD" AndAlso strType <> "COOL" Then
      blnError = True
      End If


      CleaKO

      "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
      "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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      Dave Kreskowiak
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      #8

      Yeah, it's just the opposite for me too. Especially if you name your boolean properties or methods correctly.

      If UserIsInRole(user, role) Then
      

      Just the name of the function implies that it returns a True/False value.

      Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic

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      • M Marcus J Smith

        This is so minor it probably is a non issue but it bugs me.

        If blnFlag = False Then
        'Good
        Else
        Continue
        End If

        This happens alot but I believe it is better to say

        If blnFlag = True Then
        Continue
        End If


        CleaKO

        "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
        "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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        Shog9 0
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        #9

        I prefer

        If ( isFlag ) Then Continue

        Succinct. :cool:

        ----

        It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.

        --Raymond Chen on MSDN

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        • R Roger Bamforth

          Absolutely. Along the same lines, my pet peeve is

          bool b;

          if (condition)
          {
          b = true;
          }
          else
          {
          b = false;
          }

          what on earth is wrong with

          bool b = condition;

          Regards - Roger

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          Josh Smith
          wrote on last edited by
          #10

          Roger Bamforth wrote:

          what on earth is wrong with bool b = condition;

          In general I completely agree with you. The only time I might use the "bad" way is for debugging purposes. If I only want a breakpoint to hit when 'condition' is false, then I will create an explicit if/else branch. Of course, after debugging I revert the code back to bool b = condition; (I'm usually too lazy to setup debugger conditions!)

          :josh: My WPF Blog[^]

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          • M Marcus J Smith

            I think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal.

            If boolean = True

            instead of just saying

            If boolean

            I just couldnt think of a good example but what I was getting at is really saying something like

            If strType = "GOOD" OrElse strType = "COOL" Then
            'Good Record
            Else
            blnError = True
            End If

            instead of saying

            If strType <> "GOOD" AndAlso strType <> "COOL" Then
            blnError = True
            End If


            CleaKO

            "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
            "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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            PIEBALDconsult
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            #11

            CleaKO wrote:

            If boolean = True

            But then you may have trouble when the code is ported to C, so you really need: If True = boolean

            --| "Every tool is a hammer." |--

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            • J Josh Smith

              Roger Bamforth wrote:

              what on earth is wrong with bool b = condition;

              In general I completely agree with you. The only time I might use the "bad" way is for debugging purposes. If I only want a breakpoint to hit when 'condition' is false, then I will create an explicit if/else branch. Of course, after debugging I revert the code back to bool b = condition; (I'm usually too lazy to setup debugger conditions!)

              :josh: My WPF Blog[^]

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              Hal Angseesing
              wrote on last edited by
              #12

              Yep, done this myself. And debugger conditional breakpoints are actually quite a lot slower than IP traps.

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              • P PIEBALDconsult

                CleaKO wrote:

                If boolean = True

                But then you may have trouble when the code is ported to C, so you really need: If True = boolean

                --| "Every tool is a hammer." |--

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                John R Shaw
                wrote on last edited by
                #13

                It is a good idea to place the constant value to the left of the equality symbol in any language that supports them, to catch syntax errors. It just feels so unnatural to type it that way. ;)

                INTP "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."Edsger Dijkstra

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                • J jhwurmbach

                  CleaKO wrote:

                  think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal. If boolean = True instead of just saying If boolean

                  Funny. For me its just the opposite: The superfluous = True imposes the nagging feel in me, I have missed something while reading the code. But then, the whole VB code gives me a screaming fit anyway. :rolleyes:


                  Failure is not an option - it's built right in.

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                  John R Shaw
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #14

                  jhwurmbach wrote:

                  But then, the whole VB code gives me a screaming fit anyway.

                  I know the feeling. ;)

                  INTP "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."Edsger Dijkstra

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                  • P PIEBALDconsult

                    CleaKO wrote:

                    If boolean = True

                    But then you may have trouble when the code is ported to C, so you really need: If True = boolean

                    --| "Every tool is a hammer." |--

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                    Shog9 0
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #15

                    You might still have trouble in C, if you run up against code that uses other non-zero values for "true"...

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                    • M Marcus J Smith

                      I think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal.

                      If boolean = True

                      instead of just saying

                      If boolean

                      I just couldnt think of a good example but what I was getting at is really saying something like

                      If strType = "GOOD" OrElse strType = "COOL" Then
                      'Good Record
                      Else
                      blnError = True
                      End If

                      instead of saying

                      If strType <> "GOOD" AndAlso strType <> "COOL" Then
                      blnError = True
                      End If


                      CleaKO

                      "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
                      "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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                      AncientCodeslinger
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                      #16

                      If that's how you use booleans, you might as well just use an integer set to 1 or 0 or a string set to "Y" or "N" (or "True" or "False"). How about: somethingIsWrong = (type <> "GOOD" AndAlso type <> "Cool") With a variable name that clearly expresses the condition represented by the boolean, the comparison to True or False becomes clearly redundant.

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                      • R Roger Bamforth

                        Absolutely. Along the same lines, my pet peeve is

                        bool b;

                        if (condition)
                        {
                        b = true;
                        }
                        else
                        {
                        b = false;
                        }

                        what on earth is wrong with

                        bool b = condition;

                        Regards - Roger

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                        Graham Bradshaw
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #17

                        Well, if the condition is to test the equality of two variables,

                        bool b;

                        if (x = y)
                        {
                        b = true;
                        }
                        else
                        {
                        b = false;
                        }

                        will give you a compiler warning, and

                        bool b = (x = y);

                        will not. (Note the assignment vs equality test bug)

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                        • R Roger Bamforth

                          Absolutely. Along the same lines, my pet peeve is

                          bool b;

                          if (condition)
                          {
                          b = true;
                          }
                          else
                          {
                          b = false;
                          }

                          what on earth is wrong with

                          bool b = condition;

                          Regards - Roger

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                          Kevin McFarlane
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #18

                          It's also quite common. I often find myself starting with the first one, then after testing, stepping through, etc., I refactor to the second.

                          Kevin

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                          • M Marcus J Smith

                            I think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal.

                            If boolean = True

                            instead of just saying

                            If boolean

                            I just couldnt think of a good example but what I was getting at is really saying something like

                            If strType = "GOOD" OrElse strType = "COOL" Then
                            'Good Record
                            Else
                            blnError = True
                            End If

                            instead of saying

                            If strType <> "GOOD" AndAlso strType <> "COOL" Then
                            blnError = True
                            End If


                            CleaKO

                            "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
                            "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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                            Kevin McFarlane
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #19

                            The reason for the first is that some people have a fixation about negative conditionals, such that they will try and avoid them at all costs - such as the cost you describe!

                            Kevin

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                            • J jhwurmbach

                              CleaKO wrote:

                              think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal. If boolean = True instead of just saying If boolean

                              Funny. For me its just the opposite: The superfluous = True imposes the nagging feel in me, I have missed something while reading the code. But then, the whole VB code gives me a screaming fit anyway. :rolleyes:


                              Failure is not an option - it's built right in.

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                              Kevin McFarlane
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #20

                              jhwurmbach wrote:

                              But then, the whole VB code gives me a screaming fit anyway.

                              But you see such style in the C-family languages too, though it's probably less common.

                              Kevin

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                              • G Graham Bradshaw

                                Well, if the condition is to test the equality of two variables,

                                bool b;

                                if (x = y)
                                {
                                b = true;
                                }
                                else
                                {
                                b = false;
                                }

                                will give you a compiler warning, and

                                bool b = (x = y);

                                will not. (Note the assignment vs equality test bug)

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                                Roger Bamforth
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #21

                                That's a good point and is actually something that had never occurred to me. However, whether or not you get a warning depends upon the types of x, y and b is not as simple as it seems. It is probably also language and compiler dependant. e.g in Visual C++

                                bool x = true;
                                bool y = true;
                                bool b = (x = y);
                                

                                gives no warning, as you say, but

                                int x = true;
                                int y = true;
                                bool b = (x = y);
                                

                                does generate a warning (forcing an int to be a bool) and

                                int x = true;
                                int y = true;
                                BOOL b = (x = y);
                                

                                doesn't.

                                Regards - Roger

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                                • M Marcus J Smith

                                  This is so minor it probably is a non issue but it bugs me.

                                  If blnFlag = False Then
                                  'Good
                                  Else
                                  Continue
                                  End If

                                  This happens alot but I believe it is better to say

                                  If blnFlag = True Then
                                  Continue
                                  End If


                                  CleaKO

                                  "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
                                  "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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                                  Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #22

                                  If there is a complicated method and I want to indicate that I did indeed accomodate both possibilities I will, ocassionaly, leave a blank if. However, I almost never check a boolean variable against a boolean and instead prefer : if(isFlagSet){ //Some commented out code or not about //Why not used } else if(!isFlagSet){ //Some Actual code ... } else{ //File Not Found } Just kidding with the File not found!


                                  File Not Found

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                                  • M Marcus J Smith

                                    I think it is just easier to read when you say say what you want it to equal.

                                    If boolean = True

                                    instead of just saying

                                    If boolean

                                    I just couldnt think of a good example but what I was getting at is really saying something like

                                    If strType = "GOOD" OrElse strType = "COOL" Then
                                    'Good Record
                                    Else
                                    blnError = True
                                    End If

                                    instead of saying

                                    If strType <> "GOOD" AndAlso strType <> "COOL" Then
                                    blnError = True
                                    End If


                                    CleaKO

                                    "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that." - Tommy Boy
                                    "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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                                    peterchen
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                                    #23

                                    boolean = True but that's a boolean expression again, which could be true.. or false. So to make absoultely clear you want b = true to be true (not false), you write If (boolean = True) = True lather, rinse, repeat :rolleyes:


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                                    • G Graham Bradshaw

                                      Well, if the condition is to test the equality of two variables,

                                      bool b;

                                      if (x = y)
                                      {
                                      b = true;
                                      }
                                      else
                                      {
                                      b = false;
                                      }

                                      will give you a compiler warning, and

                                      bool b = (x = y);

                                      will not. (Note the assignment vs equality test bug)

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                                      D111
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                                      #24

                                      Shouldn't it be: bool b = (x == y); ---------- bool b = (x = y); would set x to y and then b to x

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