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    Raj Lal
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    Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday, i wanted to give a chance to those guys who did not tried Puzzle of the (YESTER)Day A grocer discovered his beam balance was faulty, So he started a new method for weighing customer's orders He divides the order into two halves, putting the first half in the left hand of the balance and weights in the right, then do the opposite. The method is unique no doubt, but is the method fair also, to both his customers and himself ? You can hide , you can run, but you cannot escape, Vote it down if you want to escape i mean if you think the puzzle is not worth a repost. HERE is a sample of PAN Balance[^] SOLUTION[^]

    Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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      Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday, i wanted to give a chance to those guys who did not tried Puzzle of the (YESTER)Day A grocer discovered his beam balance was faulty, So he started a new method for weighing customer's orders He divides the order into two halves, putting the first half in the left hand of the balance and weights in the right, then do the opposite. The method is unique no doubt, but is the method fair also, to both his customers and himself ? You can hide , you can run, but you cannot escape, Vote it down if you want to escape i mean if you think the puzzle is not worth a repost. HERE is a sample of PAN Balance[^] SOLUTION[^]

      Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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      Quartz... wrote:

      He divides the order into two halves, putting the first half in the left hand of the balance and weights in the right, then do the opposite.

      You need to be more specific. If he is weighing the half-order against weights, then what exactly is the problem? Then you say he does the "opposite." What exactly is the opposite? Does he exchange the half-order and the weights on the balance, or does he weigh the other half of the order?

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        Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday, i wanted to give a chance to those guys who did not tried Puzzle of the (YESTER)Day A grocer discovered his beam balance was faulty, So he started a new method for weighing customer's orders He divides the order into two halves, putting the first half in the left hand of the balance and weights in the right, then do the opposite. The method is unique no doubt, but is the method fair also, to both his customers and himself ? You can hide , you can run, but you cannot escape, Vote it down if you want to escape i mean if you think the puzzle is not worth a repost. HERE is a sample of PAN Balance[^] SOLUTION[^]

        Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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        Well, let's work through it...

        1. Grocer divides items, sets half aside.
        2. Grocer puts half items on one side of scale, weights on the other, 'till balanced. Scale indicates 10lbs.
        3. Grocer switches sides, adjusts weights 'till balanced, scale now indicates 11lbs.
        4. Grocer tells customer, "The scale is obviously biased by .5lbs, this half weights 10.5lbs"
        5. Grocer then proceeds to weight the rest of the items by placing them on the same side of the scale used to initially weigh the first set of items, and adding .5lbs to the result (which is 6lbs).
        6. Customer is charged for 17lbs.

        Verdict:

        • The method is unfair to the customer, as the grocer was using the items not being weighed to hide his fat thumb on the balance. Customer was then charged for 17lbs instead of the actual weight (1lbs, 11oz).
        • The method is also unfair to the grocer, as it allowed his greed to become obvious to the customer, who will never again shop in his store and will report his obviously inaccurate scales to the Authorities, causing Trouble (a fair scale would have forced him to resort to a tiered pricing scheme, scamming the customer out of much more money, while letting him think the incredible effort required to calculate prices was ensuring him a better deal).
        • Of course, it's even more unfair to the poor scale repair company, which was deprived of a customer and forced to lay off a young repairman.
        • It's most unfair of all to the repairman's young child, who, his father deprived of money for food, was forced to milk squirrels to put milk on his cereal, which tasted just awful as a result.

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          Quartz... wrote:

          He divides the order into two halves, putting the first half in the left hand of the balance and weights in the right, then do the opposite.

          You need to be more specific. If he is weighing the half-order against weights, then what exactly is the problem? Then you say he does the "opposite." What exactly is the opposite? Does he exchange the half-order and the weights on the balance, or does he weigh the other half of the order?

          -------------------------------- "All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing" -- Edmund Burke

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          he weighs one half of the order in say left pan and put the weight in the right pan and then he takes another half of the order in the right pan and put the weights in the left pan

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            Well, let's work through it...

            1. Grocer divides items, sets half aside.
            2. Grocer puts half items on one side of scale, weights on the other, 'till balanced. Scale indicates 10lbs.
            3. Grocer switches sides, adjusts weights 'till balanced, scale now indicates 11lbs.
            4. Grocer tells customer, "The scale is obviously biased by .5lbs, this half weights 10.5lbs"
            5. Grocer then proceeds to weight the rest of the items by placing them on the same side of the scale used to initially weigh the first set of items, and adding .5lbs to the result (which is 6lbs).
            6. Customer is charged for 17lbs.

            Verdict:

            • The method is unfair to the customer, as the grocer was using the items not being weighed to hide his fat thumb on the balance. Customer was then charged for 17lbs instead of the actual weight (1lbs, 11oz).
            • The method is also unfair to the grocer, as it allowed his greed to become obvious to the customer, who will never again shop in his store and will report his obviously inaccurate scales to the Authorities, causing Trouble (a fair scale would have forced him to resort to a tiered pricing scheme, scamming the customer out of much more money, while letting him think the incredible effort required to calculate prices was ensuring him a better deal).
            • Of course, it's even more unfair to the poor scale repair company, which was deprived of a customer and forced to lay off a young repairman.
            • It's most unfair of all to the repairman's young child, who, his father deprived of money for food, was forced to milk squirrels to put milk on his cereal, which tasted just awful as a result.

            ----

            It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.

            --Raymond Chen on MSDN

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            Raj Lal
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            i think you have covered it all

            Shog9 wrote:

            the method is unfair to the customer, as the grocer was using the items not being weighed to hide his fat thumb on the balance.

            :laugh:

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              Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday, i wanted to give a chance to those guys who did not tried Puzzle of the (YESTER)Day A grocer discovered his beam balance was faulty, So he started a new method for weighing customer's orders He divides the order into two halves, putting the first half in the left hand of the balance and weights in the right, then do the opposite. The method is unique no doubt, but is the method fair also, to both his customers and himself ? You can hide , you can run, but you cannot escape, Vote it down if you want to escape i mean if you think the puzzle is not worth a repost. HERE is a sample of PAN Balance[^] SOLUTION[^]

              Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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              y u do all like this is any importance beyond your act

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                y u do all like this is any importance beyond your act

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                needhelpinnet wrote:

                y u do all like this is any importance beyond your act

                What? :confused:


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                • R Raj Lal

                  Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday, i wanted to give a chance to those guys who did not tried Puzzle of the (YESTER)Day A grocer discovered his beam balance was faulty, So he started a new method for weighing customer's orders He divides the order into two halves, putting the first half in the left hand of the balance and weights in the right, then do the opposite. The method is unique no doubt, but is the method fair also, to both his customers and himself ? You can hide , you can run, but you cannot escape, Vote it down if you want to escape i mean if you think the puzzle is not worth a repost. HERE is a sample of PAN Balance[^] SOLUTION[^]

                  Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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                  since the problem with the beam balance is that it is sticking at the pivit, any time he puts the weights on last it will take more weight than normal to make it move. Thus he is cheating. Every time. REALLY need to know what is wrong with balance. Then it is just a physics problem.:sigh:

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                    y u do all like this is any importance beyond your act

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                    needhelpinnet wrote:

                    y u do all like this is any importance beyond your act

                    now thats a different kind of puzzle

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                      i think you have covered it all

                      Shog9 wrote:

                      the method is unfair to the customer, as the grocer was using the items not being weighed to hide his fat thumb on the balance.

                      :laugh:

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                      Do you have another one ?:-D

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                        Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday, i wanted to give a chance to those guys who did not tried Puzzle of the (YESTER)Day A grocer discovered his beam balance was faulty, So he started a new method for weighing customer's orders He divides the order into two halves, putting the first half in the left hand of the balance and weights in the right, then do the opposite. The method is unique no doubt, but is the method fair also, to both his customers and himself ? You can hide , you can run, but you cannot escape, Vote it down if you want to escape i mean if you think the puzzle is not worth a repost. HERE is a sample of PAN Balance[^] SOLUTION[^]

                        Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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                        Is it a scale or a balance? A balance doesn't have two pans - I don't see how you could put a large dollop of loose lard on the beam side without causing the customer some concern.

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                          Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday, i wanted to give a chance to those guys who did not tried Puzzle of the (YESTER)Day A grocer discovered his beam balance was faulty, So he started a new method for weighing customer's orders He divides the order into two halves, putting the first half in the left hand of the balance and weights in the right, then do the opposite. The method is unique no doubt, but is the method fair also, to both his customers and himself ? You can hide , you can run, but you cannot escape, Vote it down if you want to escape i mean if you think the puzzle is not worth a repost. HERE is a sample of PAN Balance[^] SOLUTION[^]

                          Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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                          Quartz... wrote:

                          Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday

                          You mean because it's a senseless exercise and you haven't yet thought up a way out or a way to reword the puzzle so that it makes sense. Just post the stupid answer as a reply to the original post so we'll know just how stupid it is already.

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                            Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday, i wanted to give a chance to those guys who did not tried Puzzle of the (YESTER)Day A grocer discovered his beam balance was faulty, So he started a new method for weighing customer's orders He divides the order into two halves, putting the first half in the left hand of the balance and weights in the right, then do the opposite. The method is unique no doubt, but is the method fair also, to both his customers and himself ? You can hide , you can run, but you cannot escape, Vote it down if you want to escape i mean if you think the puzzle is not worth a repost. HERE is a sample of PAN Balance[^] SOLUTION[^]

                            Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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                            Where are you guys ... ?

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                              Quartz... wrote:

                              Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday

                              You mean because it's a senseless exercise and you haven't yet thought up a way out or a way to reword the puzzle so that it makes sense. Just post the stupid answer as a reply to the original post so we'll know just how stupid it is already.

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                              I was quite impressed by your answers and queries yesterday but this was a bit rude i will post the answer by the end of the day

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                                since the problem with the beam balance is that it is sticking at the pivit, any time he puts the weights on last it will take more weight than normal to make it move. Thus he is cheating. Every time. REALLY need to know what is wrong with balance. Then it is just a physics problem.:sigh:

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                                PIEBALDconsult
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                                hlmechanic wrote:

                                REALLY need to know what is wrong with balance

                                Exactly, the puzzle doesn't have all the information, the worst kind.

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                                  Do you have another one ?:-D

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                                  Raj Lal
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                                  you always seems to be interested in puzzles, but i never saw you giving a try on any of them why ???

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                                    I was quite impressed by your answers and queries yesterday but this was a bit rude i will post the answer by the end of the day

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                                    PIEBALDconsult
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                                    You should have posted by the end of yesterday.

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                                      you always seems to be interested in puzzles, but i never saw you giving a try on any of them why ???

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                                      MoustafaS
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                                      I asked you once for one, but after that you've been late, I got sleep, then never seen you one, at all I am here now , let's give a try.

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                                        Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday, i wanted to give a chance to those guys who did not tried Puzzle of the (YESTER)Day A grocer discovered his beam balance was faulty, So he started a new method for weighing customer's orders He divides the order into two halves, putting the first half in the left hand of the balance and weights in the right, then do the opposite. The method is unique no doubt, but is the method fair also, to both his customers and himself ? You can hide , you can run, but you cannot escape, Vote it down if you want to escape i mean if you think the puzzle is not worth a repost. HERE is a sample of PAN Balance[^] SOLUTION[^]

                                        Omit Needless Words - Strunk, William, Jr.


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                                        if the balance isn't fair with W, how can it be 'fair' with W/2 ? and how does he determine W/2, without a balance? (by volume? by item count?)

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                                          if the balance isn't fair with W, how can it be 'fair' with W/2 ? and how does he determine W/2, without a balance? (by volume? by item count?)

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                                          Raj Lal
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                                          Chris Losinger wrote:

                                          if the balance isn't fair with W, how can it be 'fair' with W/2 ?

                                          it won't be so the grocer thought to weigh 1/2 in the left with the weight in the right and half on the right with the weight in the left to make it fair thats the question

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