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Well, let's work through it...
- Grocer divides items, sets half aside.
- Grocer puts half items on one side of scale, weights on the other, 'till balanced. Scale indicates 10lbs.
- Grocer switches sides, adjusts weights 'till balanced, scale now indicates 11lbs.
- Grocer tells customer, "The scale is obviously biased by .5lbs, this half weights 10.5lbs"
- Grocer then proceeds to weight the rest of the items by placing them on the same side of the scale used to initially weigh the first set of items, and adding .5lbs to the result (which is 6lbs).
- Customer is charged for 17lbs.
Verdict:
- The method is unfair to the customer, as the grocer was using the items not being weighed to hide his fat thumb on the balance. Customer was then charged for 17lbs instead of the actual weight (1lbs, 11oz).
- The method is also unfair to the grocer, as it allowed his greed to become obvious to the customer, who will never again shop in his store and will report his obviously inaccurate scales to the Authorities, causing Trouble (a fair scale would have forced him to resort to a tiered pricing scheme, scamming the customer out of much more money, while letting him think the incredible effort required to calculate prices was ensuring him a better deal).
- Of course, it's even more unfair to the poor scale repair company, which was deprived of a customer and forced to lay off a young repairman.
- It's most unfair of all to the repairman's young child, who, his father deprived of money for food, was forced to milk squirrels to put milk on his cereal, which tasted just awful as a result.
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i think you have covered it all
Shog9 wrote:
the method is unfair to the customer, as the grocer was using the items not being weighed to hide his fat thumb on the balance.
:laugh:
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Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday, i wanted to give a chance to those guys who did not tried Puzzle of the (YESTER)Day A grocer discovered his beam balance was faulty, So he started a new method for weighing customer's orders He divides the order into two halves, putting the first half in the left hand of the balance and weights in the right, then do the opposite. The method is unique no doubt, but is the method fair also, to both his customers and himself ? You can hide , you can run, but you cannot escape, Vote it down if you want to escape i mean if you think the puzzle is not worth a repost. HERE is a sample of PAN Balance[^] SOLUTION[^]
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y u do all like this is any importance beyond your act
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y u do all like this is any importance beyond your act
needhelpinnet wrote:
y u do all like this is any importance beyond your act
What? :confused:
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Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday, i wanted to give a chance to those guys who did not tried Puzzle of the (YESTER)Day A grocer discovered his beam balance was faulty, So he started a new method for weighing customer's orders He divides the order into two halves, putting the first half in the left hand of the balance and weights in the right, then do the opposite. The method is unique no doubt, but is the method fair also, to both his customers and himself ? You can hide , you can run, but you cannot escape, Vote it down if you want to escape i mean if you think the puzzle is not worth a repost. HERE is a sample of PAN Balance[^] SOLUTION[^]
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since the problem with the beam balance is that it is sticking at the pivit, any time he puts the weights on last it will take more weight than normal to make it move. Thus he is cheating. Every time. REALLY need to know what is wrong with balance. Then it is just a physics problem.:sigh:
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i think you have covered it all
Shog9 wrote:
the method is unfair to the customer, as the grocer was using the items not being weighed to hide his fat thumb on the balance.
:laugh:
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Do you have another one ?:-D
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y u do all like this is any importance beyond your act
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Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday, i wanted to give a chance to those guys who did not tried Puzzle of the (YESTER)Day A grocer discovered his beam balance was faulty, So he started a new method for weighing customer's orders He divides the order into two halves, putting the first half in the left hand of the balance and weights in the right, then do the opposite. The method is unique no doubt, but is the method fair also, to both his customers and himself ? You can hide , you can run, but you cannot escape, Vote it down if you want to escape i mean if you think the puzzle is not worth a repost. HERE is a sample of PAN Balance[^] SOLUTION[^]
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Is it a scale or a balance? A balance doesn't have two pans - I don't see how you could put a large dollop of loose lard on the beam side without causing the customer some concern.
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Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday, i wanted to give a chance to those guys who did not tried Puzzle of the (YESTER)Day A grocer discovered his beam balance was faulty, So he started a new method for weighing customer's orders He divides the order into two halves, putting the first half in the left hand of the balance and weights in the right, then do the opposite. The method is unique no doubt, but is the method fair also, to both his customers and himself ? You can hide , you can run, but you cannot escape, Vote it down if you want to escape i mean if you think the puzzle is not worth a repost. HERE is a sample of PAN Balance[^] SOLUTION[^]
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Quartz... wrote:
Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday
You mean because it's a senseless exercise and you haven't yet thought up a way out or a way to reword the puzzle so that it makes sense. Just post the stupid answer as a reply to the original post so we'll know just how stupid it is already.
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Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday, i wanted to give a chance to those guys who did not tried Puzzle of the (YESTER)Day A grocer discovered his beam balance was faulty, So he started a new method for weighing customer's orders He divides the order into two halves, putting the first half in the left hand of the balance and weights in the right, then do the opposite. The method is unique no doubt, but is the method fair also, to both his customers and himself ? You can hide , you can run, but you cannot escape, Vote it down if you want to escape i mean if you think the puzzle is not worth a repost. HERE is a sample of PAN Balance[^] SOLUTION[^]
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Quartz... wrote:
Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday
You mean because it's a senseless exercise and you haven't yet thought up a way out or a way to reword the puzzle so that it makes sense. Just post the stupid answer as a reply to the original post so we'll know just how stupid it is already.
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since the problem with the beam balance is that it is sticking at the pivit, any time he puts the weights on last it will take more weight than normal to make it move. Thus he is cheating. Every time. REALLY need to know what is wrong with balance. Then it is just a physics problem.:sigh:
hlmechanic wrote:
REALLY need to know what is wrong with balance
Exactly, the puzzle doesn't have all the information, the worst kind.
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Do you have another one ?:-D
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I was quite impressed by your answers and queries yesterday but this was a bit rude i will post the answer by the end of the day
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You should have posted by the end of yesterday.
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you always seems to be interested in puzzles, but i never saw you giving a try on any of them why ???
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I asked you once for one, but after that you've been late, I got sleep, then never seen you one, at all I am here now , let's give a try.
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Since nobody was able to solve it yesterday, i wanted to give a chance to those guys who did not tried Puzzle of the (YESTER)Day A grocer discovered his beam balance was faulty, So he started a new method for weighing customer's orders He divides the order into two halves, putting the first half in the left hand of the balance and weights in the right, then do the opposite. The method is unique no doubt, but is the method fair also, to both his customers and himself ? You can hide , you can run, but you cannot escape, Vote it down if you want to escape i mean if you think the puzzle is not worth a repost. HERE is a sample of PAN Balance[^] SOLUTION[^]
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if the balance isn't fair with W, how can it be 'fair' with W/2 ? and how does he determine W/2, without a balance? (by volume? by item count?)
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if the balance isn't fair with W, how can it be 'fair' with W/2 ? and how does he determine W/2, without a balance? (by volume? by item count?)
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Chris Losinger wrote:
if the balance isn't fair with W, how can it be 'fair' with W/2 ?
it won't be so the grocer thought to weigh 1/2 in the left with the weight in the right and half on the right with the weight in the left to make it fair thats the question
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Chris Losinger wrote:
if the balance isn't fair with W, how can it be 'fair' with W/2 ?
it won't be so the grocer thought to weigh 1/2 in the left with the weight in the right and half on the right with the weight in the left to make it fair thats the question
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so how does he determine 1/2 ?
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so how does he determine 1/2 ?
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hlmechanic wrote:
REALLY need to know what is wrong with balance
Exactly, the puzzle doesn't have all the information, the worst kind.
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thats the assumption here ( which should be taken as correct ) That can be item count or any other reliable way
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That's nonsense, at least as regards groceries as I understand them. Now if he were a water seller, that would be something else, but then he'd sell by volume rather than weight. Unless the answer is, "it would never be fair to sell groceries all at the same price per unit of weight", there can be no definitive answer to the problem as stated. And I argue that even that answer is incorrect.
